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dohh
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10/21/2003
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I like my Dak but it is engineered for crap. I had japanese trucks and they are well designed and built. I saved money and bought the Dak instead of a tundra and it shows.
Here are some examples of crap engineering that I saw:
1. no locking gas cover
2. distributor cap has hex bolts but not enough room around them for a socket.
3. they put a plastic cover over the battery that you throw away when you replace the battery
4. distributor is jammed between engine and fire wall.
5. radiator with no protection in front of it.
6. you have to remove bumper to replace radiator overflow bottle
7. cable holders that you have to break to open
8. steel oil pan not aluminum/magnesium
9. only four quarts of oil for a V6
10. noisey squelling/knocking engine
11. pinging when running
12. little holes to remove headlight bulbs
What do you want to add
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Steve Calabro
Dodge Dakota
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10/21/2003
18:51:26
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sorry man, that is the way all us cars are. designers just put stuff where ever they can and dont care as long as it works. on some cars you have to remove the wheel well to change the oil filter on stuff like that, i aint knockin us, but foregners jus design their stuff better
Steve
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dohh
Dodge Dakota
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10/21/2003
18:51:45
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thought of some more:
- crappy ventilation system. Can't get fresh air in without running the fan.
- owners manual says A/C may or may not run depending on the switch position
- no light to say A/C is on. I heard newer than my 99 does have it.
- 98 daks had pull out headlight switch, how 1950'ish. so I bought a 99
- has a thing in the overhead console that nobody knows what it is.
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Harvey
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10/21/2003
20:48:24
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You have to replace hub nut with new $15 one everytime it is removed.
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Shank
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10/21/2003
22:33:09
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Not as bad as my wife's Taurus (Towus-- Towus back to the shop) Have to remove the Tire, Strut, Splashguard, CV Shaft and jack the engine up 2" to have enough clearance to remove the oversized, odd shaped & over priced alternator from the bottom of the engine!
Next time a Honduh wants to race
Ask him how many sheets of plywood he can haul?
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Doh
Dodge Dakota
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10/22/2003
12:05:23
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1. buy one for $5 or pay thousands more for a toyota
2. use a nut driver
3. my lexus has one, guess they are crap too
4. well at least it is not up front in all the water and crap
5. why did you remove the bumper? oh see #6
6. you didn't like the color?
7. no skills
8. steel doesn't break like aluminum or magnesium
9. you put in only four quarts of oil? you'll ruin your engine
10. see # 9
11. when was the last time you did a tune up?
12. again no skills
Well for the simple minded, just spend thousands more and by a toyota, but make sure you put in enough oil! LOL
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chick
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10/22/2003
12:45:56
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dak 3.9 V6 uses 4 quarts of oil with a filter change. My honda uses 4 1/2 quarts for better cooling and lube and has a magnesiunm pan.
Some people are relly touchy about the obvious
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xmr
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10/22/2003
13:31:23
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Before I got my Dak I had a '84 D-50 4x4 it had a 2.6 4 cyl. and it held 6 quarts in its steel oil pan. It ran great until I had a small hole fixed in the radiator and the radiator shop managed to stop the radiator up instead of cleaning it. It overheated and cracked the aluminum head so I had to retire it at 187,000 miles. The Dak is still a much more practial truck.
K&N drop in ,Dynomax, Superchip Tuner, 1.7 RR,
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Sean
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10/22/2003
13:52:11
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dohh,
I thought of changing the head light switch on my 1997 also,,is it just plug and play??
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mddakt
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10/22/2003
14:33:31
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here's one. the bolts on the engine are metric, the transission bolts are SAE and there's TORX bolts thrown in for the heck of it. Guess it what there suppliers want to use.
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dohh
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10/22/2003
14:59:16
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sean - don't know if you can switch. i bought a newer truck.
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jeremy
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10/22/2003
16:13:00
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doh,
yes lexus is crap. you could have saved a lot of money by going with the corolla or camry and had the same car.
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huh
Dodge Dakota
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10/22/2003
19:44:29
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Your list is idiotic and so too are you. I assume you didn't buy your Dak with a gun to your head so you must have been able to give it some thought and look the vehicle over. If so, were those things on your list like that when you bought it? YES!!
You bought a vehicle even though, in your small brain, it lacked such marvelous engineering accomplishments as a locking gas cap. That makes you a fcuking tool.
And your list is crap. Go back to your S10 board and all your gay Chebby pals...troll.
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NOSDART68
Dodge Dakota
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10/22/2003
19:50:56
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Oh my God!! That was the stupidest list of "bad engineering" ever!!! OH NO!!! NO LOCKING GAS COVER, WHAT WILL I DO????? If it bothers you enough that you would post a stupid thread like this, then add one for like $6 at auto zone!!!
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Scotty89dak
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10/22/2003
20:09:50
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All vehicles have its ups and downs, For instance, S-10 with Vortec V6, Destributor is a pain to get to, and so is doing a tune up, but not as bad as a Ford Aerostar, one of the worst vehicles ever engineered.
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Scotty89dak
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10/22/2003
20:14:22
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Oh and also, I would prefer a steel oil pan over aluminum, reason being, if you go off roading and you bottom out on top of something, you will dent a steel oil pan, but you will annihilate an aluminum pan, cause it has no give.
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99v6CCLurker
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10/23/2003
04:02:37
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News for you:
Japanese automakers are notorious for changing things during a production run and not adjusting for backwards compatibility. What i mean is, Toyota has been known to change the clutch assembly in their transmissions four times in a year. This results in four different clutch paks needing to be stocked for the same year auto. I used to work for a company that built aftermarket parts and the buyers constantly pulled their hair out trying to match part numbers to model vehicles.
Also, my wife owned a small Ford sedan, can't remember the name. A mobile mechanic told me he had to carry six extra sets of tools for that vehicle because Ford modified it just enough six years in a row to make it hard to reach some of the parts like the starter and water pump.
Everyone has their problems, learn to live with them and adjust or buy another problem. Better yet, find a solution and become rich.
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jag1
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10/23/2003
07:42:16
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try working on a 95 blazer you'll appreciate your Dakota. For instance rubber oil filter relocating lines that tend to break if you don't replace them every year for $160.00. And if they break they take out the engine. I know of a couple people this happened to.
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IntenseDak39
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10/23/2003
08:56:04
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LOL!!
you must of never worked on a LT1 f-body. LS1's are about as bad but LT1's just flat out suck to work on. Something as simple replacing sparkplugs requires removing egr stuff for one set of plugs and jacking up the car and moving the exhaust to get to the number 8 plug. Hell, even more fun is the water pump. Done that one before. Changing the sparkplug wires on my mom's LS1 took a little over an hour and scraped up arms. Fun!
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jumperalex
Dodge Dakota
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10/23/2003
11:22:06
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Ok here is my list, it is a short one but it REALLY bugs me and had I known it before hand I might have really reconsidered either another brand, or another engine (if the v8's aren't like this the v6 in this feature) :
1) does not use a knock sensor to adjust timing.
I'm sorry but in this day and age that is just INSANE and I'm surprised they are even able to pass EPA requirements. Then again maybe that is a testament to other good engineering. But really half the reason we all get knock and why upgrade chips help us SO much is because our timing has to be run so conservatively from the factory to try and avoid the motor detonating itself to hell and back.
If it didn't cost a stupid amount I would add my own knock sensor and ignition control system to do the job right.
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NOSDART68
Dodge Dakota
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10/24/2003
19:17:34
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I second Intense's opinion on LT1 f bodies!! My friend has a 95 T/A six speed and me, being the nice guy that I am offered to help him put on his headers, plugs, cold air intake, and y pipe. What a mistake! It took three people exactly 24 hard hours of work to do it. That was freakin ridiculous. There is all that room in the front that GM wasted. Still a cool ass car though.
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