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nitroussteve
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11/27/2002
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well i am working on a true cold air intake system since it is always a hot topic.since i have the 4.7 ,that is what i am constructing one for now.i have to get my current intakes completed and shipped first though.
it is based on the same one i am making,
with the filter in the fenderwell.thats all i will say for now.and i am not advertising!
ha!ha!
later,
nitroussteve
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nitroussteve
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11/28/2002
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if anyone wants to give some input while i am
engineering this project feel free too.i think i have what most everyone is asking for.still can not make the perfect one for every person.there will be more cost involved over my other intake,
but will still keep it very reasonable.
i can't wait to get it done!
nitroussteve
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2THEXTRM
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11/28/2002
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Wish I lived near you to help you with it! One suggestion on the business side of things is A) Get some Stock Dyno Numbers(friends/customers Dak) as well as the Numbers after you added your custom intake, this is what can set you apart from the Septic Pipe HomeBrewer and warrant the extra cost IMO and an available Dyno Graph says alot(anyone on Ebay offering one? NO!!). B) Let me be your first customer at "below retail" pricing!!!! LOL.
Good-luck, I have also created and am test engineering an electronic performance product with several models to choose from and hope to have it released to the public by springtime once I have compiled and formulated all of the vehicle data I need(taking extra time with some on-vehicle testing). Finally getting to put my Engineering schooling to use:) Exciting stuff to create something peeps are happy with and want to buy isn't it:)
Flowmaster cat back w/15 inch chrome tip, Volant Intake, Poweraid TB Spacer, Splitfire Plugs, full synthetic fluids
3 inch body/1.5 inch Block Lift, 305 70-16 X-Terrains on AR Terons, Pro Comp ES9000's
Grizzly double/single rollbar with (6) Hella's, Manik Nerfs, Line-X, Hard Work & $$$$$$$$$$
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2THEXTRM
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11/28/2002
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Oh, almost forgot, make sure all the pipes are Mandrel Bent with no restrictions. As long as you know the degree of bend and can buy in quanity it should not increase your cost greatly but will help guarantee some better dyno numbers without the restriction that a tube bender causes and also appease the neighsayers... mmmm... is that a word and did I spell it right?.
Flowmaster cat back w/15 inch chrome tip, Volant Intake, Poweraid TB Spacer, Splitfire Plugs, full synthetic fluids
3 inch body/1.5 inch Block Lift, 305 70-16 X-Terrains on AR Terons, Pro Comp ES9000's
Grizzly double/single rollbar with (6) Hella's, Manik Nerfs, Line-X, Hard Work & $$$$$$$$$$
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cudashoe
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11/28/2002
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You need a functional hood!
2000 4.7 5- speed, 1989 Shelby #799 White
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paysonbadboy
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11/28/2002
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You mean you don't want to install a Ricer version of a cold air intake. I mean one that is a chrome tube with a filter hanging on it all contained under the hood to get that awsome blast of HOT RADIATOR AIR?
LOL!!! My friend and I installed a home made one on his '92 Baretta for sh*ts and giggles. We removed the stock intake tube from behind the head light and mounted an intake that went over the radiator mount and took air from in front of the radiator and ramed that into the stock filter box which was pretty much un restrictive from there.
After the mod his old Baretta was taking my Chrysler.
Night and day difference from before and after. That's the result that you would always like to get :-)
http://www.paysonarizona.net
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Jonas
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11/29/2002
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Sorry to break it to you, buta TRUE cold air system has already been on the market for some time. The Intense Performance Stage 3, cold air system is a true cold air cermacaoted Z-tube with a cermacoated air canister totally enclosiing the air filter that then hooks and seals to the front of the truck and pulls air online from outside. WE have them available in both the standard and the 4" for those who need the absolute most air they can get.
We also have the GTS hood that pulls cold air from out side the hoood and flows it dirtectly throught a filter to the throttle body.
Jonas Janek
Owner Premier Automotive
2165 Benton St.
Granite City, IL 62040
Email: PremierAutomtve@aol.com
Phone: 618-877-2664
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nitroussteve
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11/29/2002
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yes i am familiar with the system .i,and many others do not want to pay the high prices of some of the intakes that are out there.that is why i am making something that is of quality and gets what people are wanting,at a price that does not scare them off.yes there is all types off ways to do this,but hoods,etc,are way too much for the avg owners out there.your systems are nice,but wanted to have something other than the bulky canister under the hood.too close to the factory air boxes we all want to remove.
thanks for the input though.you might get some
neg. response for advertising though.lol.
nitroussteve
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Jonas
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11/29/2002
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Steve, Im glad that you have some inititive.. but I think you are not really familiar with the product. First of all, it is NOTHING like the stock airbox. Second, you can get the stage III kit from anywhere from 225 shipped to 300 shipped depending on what filter you get. Next, the product is absolutely top of the line. All mandrel bent, all designed for maximum flow by using a smooth turn design. It is all hand made craftmanship, and all cermacoated to keep out the heat. So I see that you keep refering to yourself as US and US Dakota owners.. but I am and have been a dakota owner for a long time, and havent had anyone complain of the pricing or performance.. remember, you get what you pay for..
Not sure if youve done much engineering or production, but good luck producing a mandrel bent, cermacaoted system, or an ABS injected plastic system, with the same quality of filter, including all the hardware, doing the R&D, testing, etc.. and getting the pricig under 250 to 300...
Jonas Janek
Owner Premier Automotive
2165 Benton St.
Granite City, IL 62040
Email: PremierAutomtve@aol.com
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Jonas
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11/29/2002
11:21:13
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Is the picture under your profile a picture of the "totally custom!" design that you have?.. Kinda looks like the one we sell for the Honda Civic.. but doesnt look very "true cold air"
(Im just playing around with you... stop taking things so personal)
Jonas
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REKER
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11/29/2002
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Jonas, read his first post of this thread.
ROB aka REKER
Mods: Alpine CD Head Unit, Pioneer 3-Way 6 1/2 in the Cab, Home Brew Grille(soon to be silver with clear coat), Autolite 3923 plugs, Custom Air Intake (blue fading into silver), GunMetal Black Altezza Taillights, Switched over to Mobil 1.
Next Mod: Performance Accessories 3
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sandman
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11/29/2002
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You should consider an inter-cooler so it will be a true cold air induction kit. Anything less then that is snake oil plain and simple. Take air temps of the air inside the duct work of factory system and of the new cold air kit.
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Jonas
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11/29/2002
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Sandman, thats a great idea... we could use a Nitrous Express Ntercooler system.. or one of the other readily available coolers to cool the air. Not a bad idea, Ill see what we can come up with that would keep it cost effective.
Jonas
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Hoss318
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11/30/2002
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Jonas...
I really like the Z-tube, nice piece, but I just got an intake from steve for MUCH less.
I was going to get a stage III, but can't see myself paying $225+ for something that has dryer ducting as a part. It seems like the Z-tube has a LOT of R/D put into it (like I said, NICE intake), then you gave up and slapped some cheap plastic hose on it to make it cold air. If you made a true cold air intake, that was all the same quality craftsmanship as the Z-Tube(mandrel bent, NOT fits-all-civics dryer hose), and sold IT for $225, then you could have added me as a customer!
Just throwing in my .02, which is probably what it's worth :-)
R/Trottmann
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aden
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11/30/2002
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if you put it in the wheel well with say a 6x9
filter is the space big enough to get enough air
flow .plus you will have to put another 90 deg
bend in it to make the hole in the inner
fender wall, its just ive been looking to make 1 my self iwas going to turn the air box on its end
with no bottom on it with a kn drop in right
up to hole at the side of rad and make a new tube from there to i hat
at the mo kn drop in no snorkel 3,9 cc 01
good look
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conig
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12/02/2002
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I'll send you some pics of mine later today. my filter is in the fenderwell. I planned on making and marketing these and have tried all kinds of designs and gone through about 15 designs.
sadly with all the r&d I did working part time I have no time to build these now that I'm full time.
nitroussteve drop me an email. MConiglio@fbmc-benefits.com
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disgusted
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12/02/2002
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The pricing of all these intakes are totally outrageous. Why do these people continue to pay $200 for a piece of tube? I understand the filter is $30 or $40, but the rest of the parts is just a plain rip off.
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Jonas
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12/02/2002
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Disguisted. Do me a favor. Find a local shop who can do mandrel bending. Ask them what it costs to buy a tube and have it bent MANDRELY with 3 bends. Then call a local welder and ask him what it would cost to have 3 brackets mounted on it and welded on. Then find a cermacoating shop and take the piece to be cermacoated. Then go buy the silacone couplers, bolts, etc at a local hardware shop. So.. now not counting any of your time, personal labor, or headache.. add up what it cost you to make this.. THEN if you want the outside air, go to a sheet metal shop and have a canister inclosure made, and get the hardware for it from the harware store. Then take it and have it cermacoated... Now find out how much you spent.. Ok.. now that you have spent well over 3 to 4 times the money and spent 3-4 weeks at least.. add in the 40.00 for the filter.
Now the people that make these also get to add engineering expenses, testing and R&D, production setup costs, shipping, warrenty, advertising, website, phone, email, fax, packaging, shipping, and their personal time..
Anyway.. I used to have the same opinon as you.. but really.. just for fun, go try it.. and then you will understand that the costs are really low..
Jonas
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nitroussteve
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12/02/2002
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well i have been selling mine for around $130 or so shipped.that does not leave much profit considering the time it took to make and package.
not that i should tell my parts list price,but here is an example:
1.inlet $30
2.filter $25-$35
3.paint/mat $10
4.hardware $5
5.coupling $5
6.shipping $15-$20
7.welding/grinding/cutting/painting/packaging
(my labor)etc.
it adds up quick.not getting items at wholesale either.so i am averaging $35.00 profit,with about 4 to 5 hours labor involved.about $7 hr.
not a big profit for me.anyway,i do it for the fun involved.
some of us are doing it more for a hobby,not profit.i just hate people thinking the avg guy who makes things on the side,make a killing.
i detail cars and bikes.it avgs out to $10 hr.
people at work thing i make a killing too.
why do all that for the $ when i can get ot at work at 4 times that an hr?FOR A HOBBY!
nitroussteve
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nitroussteve
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12/02/2002
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jonas,
we were thinking the same thing.glad to see someone else knows whats up!
nitroussteve
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NosR/T
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12/03/2002
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Jonas,
I can't agree with you more buddy.
nitroussteve,
Spending 4-5 hrs on a hobby a day to build intake systems which you get a $35 profitability return is no hobby. Once you start selling products your building, even if gives a little in return. It's no longer a hobby it's a business for profit. I own a fabrication & welding business which started out as a hobby of mine. But once I made that first sale it became a business for profit. If it was a hobby you would post directions, material, prices, and were you can buy the material for other Dodge Dakota, Ram, Durango, and etc. owners to build there own and help them out for free. Not for profit! How do you think Joe @ 360 Air Intakez & John @ Intense Performance started? They already sell there intakes far bellow that of the big manufactures. They both are professionally designed with top of the line material.
What is your dyno numbers for your intake?
What filter do you use? What size is it?
How much gas will I save?
Is it protected from extreme heat?
To be honest with you, it sounds like your trying to get customers & build your name. So you have to sell cheaper then Intense Performance, 360 Air Intakez, & etc. Sorry for bashing on you, but you keep saying it's a HOBBY. But it's NOT!!!
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nitroussteve
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12/03/2002
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nosr/t,
your input does not bother me.every one is entitled to there opinion.you kind of missed the point i was trying to get across to
the guy complaining of prices on intakes.my point was that i was not making them solely for $(profit).fun/hobby whatever i want to call it,
is why i am making them, whether you or anyone else beleives that.yes i make a little,you think i would make and sell them for no(0) profit?
i do not think so.its not like they are paying the bills,ha ha!and i only spend a few hours a week on them,sound like a hobby to me.
nitroussteve
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NosR/T
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12/04/2002
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not that i should tell my parts list price,but here is an example:
That sounds like a business adventure to me! If you were just doing it for fun or a hobby. Then you would post directions on how to build one and supply a list of parts, cost, and were to buy the material!
Will you post this information? or do I have to pay you $130 to get the information?
$130 is pretty high for an intake that has just paint on it. What type of material do you use? What's the dyno numbers? What size & brand filter are you supplying with it?
Heavy weight galvanized steel, cheep sewer plastic tubing? or do you use high grade light weight material like 360 Air Intakez, Intense Performance uses? Is it powder coated/painted with cerama chrome to protect the tube from heating up?
Check out this guy, he does his intakes for fun & hobby and does not make a profit off of it. He actually tells you were to buy the material and the actual cost.
http://www.clubsol.com/techinfo_mechanical_5.shtml
I think your profitability is more then what your stating! $95.00 in material cost? I don't think so!!!!
Material Cost: $95.00
Sale Price: $130.00
Profitability: $35.00
Instead of saying... hey everyone I have intakes for sell!!! Say... Hey everyone I can help you build your intake system! here is the parts you need, material cost, and were you can buy them. or I can buy the material for you, put it together and then ship it to you. But there is a $35.00 profitability charge for doing it!!!!!!!!!
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nitroussteve
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12/04/2002
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well it would be nice for once that a thread kept to the initial topic for once.i started it to get dak owners input on true cold air intakes.there is always someone with a problem that worries about some other than the topic at hand.either give input on the subject matter,or take your bashing to someone who wants to listen.you and canucker must be roommates.
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Canucker
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12/04/2002
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FU(K you Steve.
Do a search on my name. I dare you. I guarantee 99.99% of the posts I've made have contributed something useful to the Dakota community. What have all of yours done? Promoted your product.
I'm sure there's more than one person that frequents this forum that has had a productive discussion with me and can vouch for me.
I stayed out of this post, and still you have to bring me into it. Why?
well, FU(K you.
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nitroussteve
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12/04/2002
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your comments definitely reflect your personality.
thanks for the input.glad to see you have a vocabulary.
looking for a rollpan!
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Canucker
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12/04/2002
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And to back up my statement:
here's just a few of the almost 200 threads I have contributed too. all of it helpful, productive discussion:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/5925.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/9396.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/5750.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/6278.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/6133.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/6057.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/6327.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/8322.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/v8/1948.html
In comparison, of the 20 or so posts of yours, here's a good handful of you selling your intake:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/6287.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/v8/2297.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/6416.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/6286.html
^^ curious how this thread you're selling for $90 .. now they're up to $130 ..hmmmm
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/v8/2395.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/style/2124.html
The proof is in the pudding princess.
Flappy mouth post whore.
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Canucker
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12/04/2002
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and your damn rights my comments reflect my personality. ... when someone pisses me off, I let them know!
and yet, I still help you out in this post:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/6463.html
hmmmm ... I must be an a$$hole
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nitroussteve
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12/04/2002
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so i guess this is another one of your 200 positive,informative,helpfull replies.
good work,keep your day job though,if you have one.
looking for a rollpan!
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NosR/T
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12/04/2002
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nitroussteve,
What type of material are you using?????????
What size filter is it???????????
How much horsepower do I gain????????
How much gas will I save??????????
These are common questions I and other owners ask!!
If I and others are going to buy a product such as an intake system for $130. Then I want all the information I can from you about your product.
If your going to get up tight with a question towards your product. Then it looks as if you should keep your day job. Detailing cars, trucks, etc. If you can't truly answer the above questions, then I and others should be worried about the quality, performance, & reliability of your product. I was merely asking a question about your product and you bring Canucker into it by bashing him......... That's not cool man!!!!
Bad business practice on your part. Hope you sell allot of your homemade intake systems buddy!!!!
Hopefully others will support the board sponsors and buy there products and not waste there money on yours!!!!
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12/04/2002
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Come on, give nitroussteve a break. He is not the only one that realizes that $200 for a tube is outragious. He has some ideas and is willing to listen to others for input as he designes his own intake system.
What type of material are you using?????????
GOOD QUESTION... but do not forget that nitroussteve is just in the PROTOTYPING stage. Cardboard is often good for this.
What size filter is it???????????
WHO CARES????? (As long as it adequately filters the air and is easy to replace/clean, the other criteria will measure the desired improvements)
How much horsepower do I gain????????
I do not think that this raw number tells the whole story. Besides, nitroussteve may not have ready access to a portable dynometer.
How much gas will I save??????????
This usually goes DOWN when making more power.
Besides, any AIR FILTER SYSTEM that claims to improve MPG is baloney. Any technically educated person that understands fluid dynamics can explain it to you.
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