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Glen
DakotaEnthusiast
 
4/06/2001
12:10:37
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I was just wondering what you guys thought of TB spacers, i cant remember what web site i was at (just surfin around here at work) but i noticed an Evergreen TB spacer was only 99 bucks. But said to give (close to) 5-8 HP/13 ft lbs Torque
increse. Sounds like a 'cheap' and easy upgrade. But is it to good to be true? Im TRYING to hold out for the K&N setup, does anyone know when it is rumored to be out? i just want more power NOW! hehehe
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
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RonW
Gen III
4/06/2001
12:24:38
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Send me $50. I'll ship you mine!
Ron
00 PB SLT QC 4X2 5.9 46RE 3.92 LSD
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Glen
DakotaEnthusiast
4/06/2001
12:33:51
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hmmm, they're that good huh? :\
well, does it fit on a '01 4.7? I mean thats half the cost of a new one. :) couldnt be that bad. :)
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
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RonW
Gen III
4/06/2001
13:09:07
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no, they don't fit on 4.7's, at least mine doesn't.
Anyway, I wouldn't have done it to you. It's hard to put the inflection in my voice with e-mail but those things don't work on our Daks. They're a waste of money. Questions get asked all the time on these forums. Matter of fact one sold on e-bay for almost $100..for a Dak. I swear, one of these days I'm gonna put mine on there. I currently use it as a paper weight.
Ron
00 PB SLT QC 4X2 5.9 46RE 3.92 LSD
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Glen
DakotaEnthusiast
4/06/2001
13:13:12
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Well damn, i just need some quick upgrades... Im itchin for the power, just dont got the money to buy it yet. I get it, and i spend, it, then i have to wait for some more of it. I guess if i would have just bought an older one, and not a brand new one, i'd have more money. but damn i love my truck! :)
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
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sam
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4/06/2001
13:13:23
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Well, I begg to differ, I installed one on my 4.7 01 and picked up almost 2 full miles to the gallon on the highway and some better low end torque. For 100$, you cant go wrong.
The cool thing is that if you really dont notice a difference in power the manufacture has a 30 money back Guarantee . I bought mine at this site.
www.truckperformance.com
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sam
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4/06/2001
13:22:50
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I installed a spacer on my 01 4.7 , well worth the money, noticed an increase in low end torque and picked up almost 2 full miles on the highway.for 100$ it's well worth the money, and if you dont like it the manufacture offer's a 30 day money back Guarantee.The only thing I didnt like about the Poweraid was the instructions, they could have spent more time into um.
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RonW
Gen III
4/06/2001
13:31:31
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Hey Bernd,
Look! A testimonial that this thing actually worked. Well, kiss my grits! Dyno run time. Many have tried, none have succeeded...til now. I wonder if the 4.7 is that de-tuned that even a TB spacer will help. Hmmm..time for reflection.
Ron
00 PB SLT QC 4X2 5.9 46RE 3.92 LSD
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Bernd
GenIII
4/06/2001
17:08:55
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Now remember Ron...Powerair/Airaid clearly stated that their spacers do NOT improve HP at all...just TQ. ;) (Check previous thread on that one.)
As for the Helix effect...hog-wash. No way, no how will that work on our manifolds...maybe on the 4.7L...but not the 3.9/5.2/5.9L
They're garbage.
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged w/Nitrous
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sam
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4/09/2001
12:28:12
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Whats the difference between the 4.7 & the older style? I mean they both incorporate a throttle body that does not use fuel.
Its the same thing, correct me if Im wrong?
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Bernd
GenIII
4/09/2001
21:04:20
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The 4.7L uses a more direct intake system...unlike the berr-barrel factory Magnum intakes. (Sorry....no way the "helix" effect works on the Magnum intakes...just not possible.
Just a repost:
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Straight from Poweraid/Airaid:
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To: bernd@texas.net
From: AirAid Info
Subject: Re: AIRAID.COM Contact Form
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:20:36 -0700
Dear Sir, thank you for your inquiry in our products. The spacer makes no HP on the dyno. It makes all of it's power in torque in the low end. If you haven't noticed any power on the Dyno or the track then it's doing what it's supposed to. You would not see any gains down the 1/4 mile or increases on the dyno. The idea of the spacer is to improve overall drivability and fuel mileage. In most cases when people install a bolt on part they expect better mileage and power, what happens is they are into the throttle a lot more than before trying to test performance and thats when the decrease in mileage happens.
Sincerely,Matt
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So...
(1) "The spacer makes no HP on the Dyno. It makes all of it's power in torque in the low end.". - That's a quote from AirAid.
(2) "If you haven't noticed any power on the Dyno or the track then it's doing what it's supposed to." - Another quote from AirAid
(3) "The idea of the spacer is to improve overall drivability and fuel mileage."
(4) HELLO...HP and TQ are BOTH measured on the Dyno. Guess the didn't see any TQ gains either...and they can't provide any proof.
So...it doesn't make any more HP, is NOT supposed to help in 1/4 mile performance (or on the Dyno), and is mainly for mileage and bottom end Torque. Hmmmm...Dyno's show TQ figures and there were no changes, mileage stayed the same, and 1/4 mile performance wasn't affected on the several people who have tried it (including myself). Hey, that's worth the $90! ;)
BTW: They still aren't able to explain how the spacer keeps the swirl effect through the two turns (90 degree and 45 degree) in the intake plenum of the Dodge Ram/Dakota/Durango manifolds.
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Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged w/Nitrous
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Bjorn
Unregistered
5/02/2001
10:15:32
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Hey guys, go is this spacer thing worth it. I drive alot of city driving and would like to see a little better gas milage if possible. I dont care about power but i want to here it from someone that it does give them a little better gas milage and what there numbers were from before. And how did they determine these numbers. Was it city or highway that got better???
I just want to find out if this spacer thing is worth my 90 bucks to install and if it will help from the increasing gas prices this summer..
thanks
bjorn
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Chad
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5/02/2001
10:21:59
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I got a Trick Flow Spacers from Summit, they run $59.95. And i think they helped out a great deal on my 3.9, gas improved and so did take-off.
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Bernd
GenIII
5/02/2001
10:42:16
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On a 3.9/5.2/5.9L, sorry...no improvements at all. (The psychological effect has a lot to do with that.)
Yes, they've been tested by many people with those engines and all of them got rid of them (the spacers)
I admit, when I installed mine...it, at first, felt like more power was being made. After Dyno, Track, and MPG testing...no improvements at all. (And that was before a lot of the modifications...and I tested it after the S/C as well...still no improvements.)
For the $100, you can build yourself a really nice "Home Brew" intake system and make more power.
If you take apart the intake manifolds on the 3.9/5.2/5.9L engines, you'll understand why the "Helix Bore" and "Air Velocity" effects don't work. (Too much of a restriction and too many bends for anything to work properly without internal modifications.)
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged w/Nitrous
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Bjorn
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5/02/2001
11:06:03
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I have the new 4.7 liter i forgot to mention, and i have an intake and exhaust system allready, i was looking for some more bolt on things to make a little more MPG.. Has anyone seen this on my engine..
thanks
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Hawkeye
DakotaEnthusiast
5/02/2001
11:28:58
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Sorry to sound like I wasn't paying attention but no I'm confused. Is there a TB spacer (poweraid, flowmetrics, etc) at all that will help the 4.7 in any way?
2000 QC Sport 4x4 4.7 Beast
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Bernd
GenIII
5/02/2001
12:29:36
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It "may" work on the 4.7L (according to the other 4.7L members who tried it)...but if you're looking for real performance modifications, a Cold Air Kit (Intense Performance Z-Tube), decent muffler/exhaust (Dynomax, Flowmaster, etc.) and adjusting the IAT sensor will gain you much more than a spacer. (It costs more though...but the rule with HP is: The More you want...the More you pay.)
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged w/Nitrous
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Glen
GenIII
5/02/2001
12:43:12
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Oh yeah, the rule "more hp = more money" is so right, im looking into a Kenne Bell for my 4.7. $4000 is a HUGE chunk of change....
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback. Z-tube.
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broeheem
GenIII
5/02/2001
12:55:54
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Hmmm....
I guess I'm still pretty new to this.
What IS the "IAT" sensor, how do you adjust it, and what are the benefits?
Patriot Blue '01 CC SLTplus, 4.7/multi-spd auto/3.55:1 LS
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Hawkeye
DakotaEnthusiast
5/02/2001
13:35:03
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Bernd, I already have a dual flowmaster setup and a drop in K&N filter. Have also reset the computer. Nice gain so far. Was planning on going to the K&N kit when it comes out at the end of summer. Is the Z-tube better than the K&N? Can I adjust the IAT sensor myself and if so how? I'm mainly looking for low to mid range power but don't mind a litle extra up top.
2000 QC Sport 4x4 4.7 Beast
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Bill Clements
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5/02/2001
13:43:41
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I have a brand new in the box NEVER INSTALLED Airaid spacer for the 4.7 dakota 2000-2001. I got it as a gift however I had order a new TB for my truck and was told not to use both that the new TB would not benefit from it but stock I have heard approx 2 mpg better and more bottom end. If anyone interested let me know will sell for
$ 65.00 including UPS shipping ground. Did I mention BRAND NEW IN THE BOX :)
Thanks,
Bill Clements
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MACE
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5/02/2001
14:25:46
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First of all, I'm finally 'scheduled' to pick up my new 2001 Flame Red DAK at 4pm...yes!
QC/AWD/4.7/Auto/3.92/Limited Slip/T&H/4W-ABS/Sport+ (basically, everything but leather and towing)
Re: cold air intakes, my research to date, no real world experience:
K&N will have a 4.7 FIPK GEN II out in the summer, possibly around $260 or so, like their price for the 5.2/5.9.
Some folks swear by K&N, some folks swear at K&N (may flow more but blocks 50% less dirt than other filters)
I'm also researching air intakes till I heard testimonials or reports back on K&N:
Here are some other options:
Airaid: has a heat shield, uses stock tubing and airhat. 8-10HP and 10FT/LB gains in torque. $141
IntensePeformance Z tube: no heat shield, replaces stock tubing and airhat, haven't seen manufactures claim of HP/TQ gain. $225
Quickd: no heat shield, replaces stock tubing and airhat. email from their tech claims 15HP and 15FT/LB gains using a K&N cone filter. $160 (someone did report they were no longer in business though, anyone know this to be a fact?)
Volant Cool Air: also has no heat shield and does replace the stock tubing and airhat. Their tech line claims 8HP and 15FT/LB gains. $289
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Bernd
GenIII
5/02/2001
14:45:20
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Hawkeye: Yup...you sure can: http://www.speedtweaks.net (It has a dial on it so you can adjust it from inside the cab.) If you don't want to go that route, you can remove it from the stock location (use a 1/4" pipe plug for the hole - HomeDepot) and stick it into the intake tube.
Here's an interesting fact for all those looking at the K&N and K&N Clone Filters (including those with the inverted cone-tips)...they all flow within 5% of each other and the inverted cone style don't work as claimed. All the conical filters pull the air in through the base...not the tip. I have spoken with Pacesetter, K&N, and Granatelli's and they all stated the same thing about the cone filters. Cost, Color, and style are the main difference.
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged w/Nitrous
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Hawkeye
DakotaEnthusiast
5/02/2001
16:23:01
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Thanks Bernd, will start tryng to same up some spare change!! I new I should have just checked SpeedTweaks first anyway!
2000 QC Sport 4x4 4.7 Beast
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Patrick ODay
GenIII
5/02/2001
23:40:22
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Ok guys
I have a 4.7L with Ztube, Flowmaster cat back, etc etc etc.
I tested the TB spacer.
Used a gtech. It mesures HP, 0-60 Times, 1/4 mile.
No difference in the reading. NONE!
I would sell you mine cheep but I can't rip you off without feeling like crap so it's a paperweight.
Patrick ODay
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Bernd
GenIII
5/03/2001
00:02:31
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Hehehehe...."I told ya so". ;) (Just teasin')
Just in case anyone has a Jeep as well, the IAT Adjusters now have been tested and "approved" on the 4.0L Jeep's as well.
2.5L Dakota to be tested sometime early next week (thanks Eddie).
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged w/Nitrous
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Python97
R/T
5/04/2001
16:00:27
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What is an IAT exactly. And how can u adjust it??
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Bernd
GenIII
5/04/2001
23:09:36
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IAT = Intake Air Temp sensor. It send the PCM the actual intake air temp which inturn helps adjust the fuel and timing accordingly.
Several 4.7L's have seen noticeable gains by altering the sensor output to the PCM. (IAT Adjuster does that.) ;)
http://www.speedtweaks.net
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged V6
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jarrod
Dodge Dakota
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7/04/2002
23:23:49
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HOW DOES THE SPACER PERFORM ON A VORTEC 6.0?
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boon
Dodge Dakota
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7/05/2002
00:14:08
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as a matter of thought while talking to a guy today with a '02 ram 5.9 that had a Helix as his only mod. said he was walking away from his neighbors chebbie, that was neck/n/neck with before. could the slight increase in intake volume could have some effect???
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Eazy
Dodge Dakota
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7/05/2002
11:42:24
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Has anybody tried the spacer on the M1 intake? Bernd stated that it makes no power in the beer keg manifold, but what about in the M1? The runners are shorter and would'nt it help with not letting the throttle body get heat soaked? I am not sure of this just asking some Q's?
Thanks
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