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Joe E.
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1/25/2002
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I know there has been alot of conflicting statements about the Jet Chips out there. Some they they are great, others say that are crap. Tp finally get this down, I want people with these chips to answer this for me. I am looking to buy one for my 1990 Dak, 2wd, v6. Already have multiple exhaust mods, intake mod, ignition mods, etc.
My Gen I needs some more power. And the Jst Chip is one of my few choices left to go with. thamks alot. Hope to hear from a bunch of yall.
Joe E.
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Cal Dak
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if ya get a jet chip get the stage 2!!!
stage 1 doesn't do a whole lot, and does not work well with moderatly modified trucks.
Stage 2 will work better, and you will be able to put more mods in without worry that the chip won't function properly.
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Joe E.
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But what about the Higher Octane fuel. My gas costs me a bunch during the week and I really hate to commit to that for good. Is there any way you can use the stage 2 But keep the 87 octane?
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Joe E.
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MACE
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1/25/2002
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Try running 89 octane, also keep in mind that 89 is the minimum octane rating for that grade, it may actually be 90-91 octane.
I have a 2001 4.7 with the Jet Chip II, no difference between running 89 or 93.
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Joe E.
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Thanks MACE, So is your Jet Chip worth the $, time, and effort? I am looking at getting one pretty seriously but I dont want to waste my meager few bucks. Thanks.
Joe E.
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MACE
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My 2001 4.7 and the Jet Chip II are buddies, they work well together...keeping in mind under 65 degrees (aka: for the next 2-3 months here in the NE) that a IAT adjuster (a great buy, BTW), does you squat...my rig seems to run fine with both a Jet Chip II and IAT adjuster, during summer months, but alas...don't let me lead you down the wrong straight-a-way...get the IAT first (saves ya about $170 or so -vs- a chip) and kick the tires on that mod first, before you invest in a chip. (no regrets on my part with my chip!)
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TigerDak
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A couple of things about the installation:
It will come with some black "insulation". Use it! In fact, use all of it! There is one screw that holds in the computer, its right in the middle. Anyways, you will unscrew it, and the JET chip will fit between the two pieces of the computer. So, basically, your computer will stick out about 1-1.5" more from the new JET chip installed. This leaves it wide open for dirt, water, etc., to get in there and cause problems galore. Cover up all that space with the insulation and you will be glad you did.
Twice I have had my truck stall on me, about 2 minutes after a car wash. Some water got in there, and I had to wait 4 hours for it to dry out in there before it would start again. Then I covered it up with the insulation, and its never happened since. In fact, my truck runs VERY strong with that chip in there. The Jacobs ignition, headers, and air intake are actually enhanced a little I think with that new tuning. You will love it. Try to force yourself to get the Stage II chip. The Stage I will not help you if you have those mods. The Stage I is for trucks without any other mods. If you want to test it out first, you can buy it from Summit Racing, and they have a 90-day money back warranty. That is the safest route to take if you arent sure its for you.
Also, I'm surprised your truck runs better at .045" plug gap. Mine are .055", and the Jacobs literature all says .055". But if it works for you at that gap, might as well stick with it. What plugs are you using anyways?
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Joe E.
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1/27/2002
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Tiger, thanks for the help man. I am seriously thinking about getten one. I think I will go with the Stage II. Maybe I can get by with 87 oct. If not, well see what I do. Not sure. About what type of HP can I expect? And can you actually feel it? I have seen some people get these things and say they felt nothing from it.
About the spark plugs. I am running Autolite 3923. Thats what everyone raves about. Plus, I thought just to get the system in the truck, I would get a set of them. Not out much cash. If you have any better plugs to go with, please tell me. I am willing to try anything. I was suprised that my truck ran better at 0.050. But at 0.055, my truck seemed to want to stall when I wsa in low RPM, (ei braking, starting, etc.) I also seemed to have less torque off the line. Sinc I went back to 0.050, my truck seems to run alot better. Go figure. It would be my truck to be the odd ball!
Back to another question. About Fuel Injectors. Should I try to find a set of pre-Mag V8 injectors? Like from a junk yard or something. I tried to find new ones on the net but no one has them. I also tired local auto shops. I have heard that with the amount of air side mods I have, the injectors are not putting enough fuel into the mixture, causing the system to not be tuned to max performance. Thanks.
Joe E.
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TigerDak
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1/27/2002
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If they are right about the injectors, I imagine all the tuning will be taken care of with the JET chip. The truck will run stronger with the new tuning chip.
I dont know what AutoLite 3923's are, but the only ones recommended by the Jacobs people are the cheap, $.99 ones. No precious metal plugs like gold or platinum, and no plugs with dual or triple or quadruple firing. Just the standard cheapies! Hope this helps. With those cheap plugs comes the gap at .055". But once again I dont know what 3923's are...
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TigerDak
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One more thing I forgot: You can see a pic of my truck at these sites:
BEFORE THE LIFT:
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Desert/1727/Modifications.html
AFTER THE LIFT:
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Desert/1727/LiftedDakota.html
And our homepage:
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Desert/1727/DodgeDakota.html
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Joe E.
Dodge Dakota
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1/28/2002
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Tiger, I will definitly get to your site here in a minute.
About the Jet chip, where did you get yours from? I looked at summits web site and its not listed there, for my dak. I looked up Jetchip.com and its like $320.00! Not paying that much when everywhere else is like $220. Again, do you feel the difference with it?
About the injectors, I dont know about if it is true either but someone here swore by them, he also had a Gen I dak. Said it woke his Dak up alot. Ill try to find it here.
Autolite 3923s. They are the cheep'es. I think they cost me total like $7.00. My truck does run better at gap 0.050. Wierd. Nothing fancy, just single spark, funky old metal plugs. But they work!
What about TBs? Do you run an aftermarket TB, or a larger 5.2L TB, or what? Just getting info to plan my next mod. Thanks again Tiger. Ill certainly check your site!
Joe E.
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TigerDak
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I havent gone so far as the usual bolt-on mods. No TBI or manifold upgrades at all. Too hard to find anything that fits these older trucks! I have heard of somebody taking some injectors off of the 318's, but of what year that truck was he didnt know, as it was from a junkyard. But that guy did claim some extra umph from them. I'm not into the super powered trucks, as I hate spending mucho dinero at the gas pumps. Most of my upgrades were intended to give gains in mpg.
You will need to telephone Summit for the chip. Its not going to be printed in their catalogs or on their site, but they can get it for you. They probably have them in their warehouse already, just not worth the space in the site or catalogs to list it. What you see in their site or catalogs is not everything they have.
If you are considering bigger injectors, I'd consider the Gen I or Gen II 318's. I wonder how much one could gain from those! You should consider doing some tests before and after to see how they work!
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Joe E.
Dodge Dakota
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1/29/2002
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Tiger, Hey man. Nice web site. I was impressed with it alot. i also signed your forum there. But great site.
About the bolt on mods. I am just wondering about things like TB, cams, etc. I am not into the major work right now like boaring the block type things. At least not right now.
About the injectors. I am going to check into the local junkyards to find a 1985-1991 318. Pull the injectors and clean them. Then put them in. How do you clean injectors? I have heard put them in gasoline. And I really have no way to test the effectiveness of the injectors. But I will certainly do that. have a good day.
Joe E.
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TigerDak
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If you find a set, you probably wont need to clean them. They will probably run just fine as is. I have a set of injectors right now for my Dak, and I know for sure they are dirty as I already had to replace them. I didnt throw them away. I'd like to clean them and see if I can find a buyer.
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Joe E.
Dodge Dakota
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1/29/2002
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Tiger, I am looking into a couple things right now. Just different mods for HP on my old Dak. Being a rather poor college student, when I find something I want, I begin to save cash up and before I know it, the part is on its way. So I plan most purchases out in advance and alocate moneys to cover that purchase.
with these injectors, I think the idea is sound. I have the K&N intake and the free flowing exhaust from header to exit pipe. so my air to and from the engine is definitly upgraded. But my fuel system is totally stock. I am sure my engine is sending just as much fuel as the injectors can handle now. So If I increased the stock injector, which is 50PPH, to a Pre-Mag 5.2L injector, 65PPH, I am fairly certain I will notice a better performing engine. More efficient in the respect that the air/fuel ratio will be at its prime balance. With the Jet Chip, It should be running in top shape. Hopefully.
Well, Ill let you go. I am sure that if you cleaned up your injectors, you could sell them on ebay or here. Again, I heard just soak them if fuel and they will loose all the build ups on them. Talk to you later man. Thanks for the help once again.
Joe E.
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Chris
Dodge Dakota
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3/21/2002
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Don't wast your money. Even with the stage 2's there's not hardly any difference than running without one at all, unless you run quarter miles and want to trim off a tenth to the most. For the same money you can buy a pair of headers from Summit that bolt to your factory exhaust that will give you a very noticable difference. My opinion of Jet chips is that there like a sugar pill. You just THINK it's faster!
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Super Bee
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im still trying to get around to the whole open air intake system, do you have one tiger?
if you do ill ask what i asked on performance board
what do you do with the crank case filter comin off the valve case? ( i think thats what it comes off), at any rate its the hose that runes into the firewall side of the stock air box. what to do with that?
also gen l has the air intake temp control flap, will i need to rinstall the original air box when it gets cold and chilly, or will i jsut have to let the truck warm up a little longer before i go anywhere?
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TigerDak
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Here is what I did. I took off the stock air box and threw it away. I found a Mr Gasket round aluminum air filter at Checker auto, and used that setup because it fit right on perfectly. Of course, I am using a K & N filter rather than the Mr Gasket one. So, a flat round aluminum piece for the bottom and the top to secure the filter in place.
Now, the crankcase fitler is easier. I telephoned K & N tech line and ordered a K & N crankcase filter (they need to know the diameter of the hole in the valve cover). Was shipped right to me. There is no longer a hose running from the crankcase filter into the air filter setup. The crankcase filter is now its own filter. Thats it.
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Joe E.
Dodge Dakota
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3/22/2002
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Tiger, how much was that crankcase filter from K&N. That damn tube always messes up stuff and gets in the way alot. If I could get a self comtained CC filter, that would be great.
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Joe E.
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
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I did a special order from Schucks and the cost was $18. You need to call K & N and get the part number, but dont pay their $29 fee for it. Do a special order from a local parts store for much less.
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Super Bee
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3/23/2002
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thanks for the answers, especialy the CC ones, i have been waiting a few weeks to get those specific answers
you rock
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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i just got a jet 2 chip and i took it out, and it felt faster w/o it. thats with all the recomended stuff done to it. it feels quite a bit faster actually. maybe i did something wrong. any ideas
2000 V6 4x4 Auto 3.92
w/Airaid, Gibson Catback, 180 Tstat & Jet Stage 2(Still Slow)
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
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What octane of fuel did you have in your tank when you installed it? What mods do you have?
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LI Blackdak
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93 octane and i said the other mods
Airaid, Gibson Catback, 180 Tstat
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Joe E.
Dodge Dakota
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These chips seem to have each their own personalities. some people love them, others say they dont do squat. Man, I guess me getting one is simply going to be a "hope for the best" kinda thing.
Tiger, thanks for the cc filter info. I think I will get on that soon. Those tubes running around my eng. comp. drive me nuts and If I can get rid on just one, its an improvement.
Joe E.
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Anthony
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I have a stage 1, and i upgraded my intake system with a larger lid/mass air flow sensor,
it was fine for two days but one cold night i tried too start it up and it kept stalling?
but i also went to the car wash that day?
Can you upgrade your intake with a stage 1?
PLEASE HELP
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TigerDak
Dodge Dakota
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The Stage I is NOT made for upgrades, but maybe your air intake isnt that big of deal for it to handle. I think when they say upgrades, they are talking about big upgrades, like exhaust systems, headers, ignitions, cams, etc. But I'm not an expert on all of this, just speaking from my experience and also the experience of some others.
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LI Blackdak
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i guess it does something
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Super Bee
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one more thing, that crank case filter is simply a vent filter is it not?
and you dont happen to have the part # handy do you?
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TigerDak
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That crank case filter is a filter all on its own. So I suppose you could call it a vent filter if you want to. It just filters the air going into the crank case. I'm sorry, I never wrote down that part number!
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Super Bee
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not written on your filter?
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