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Matt Barret
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
15:41:50
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OH MY GOD!!!!! The WRX is sick fast! I have been reading about them a lot, and everyone said they were quick, even the nondriving magazines managed to get 14.2's out of them! A close friend here at work just bought a silver WRX, sedan, 5spd today. We just went for a Hell ride, well, hands down, its quicker than my truck. I'd be willing to bet money I could turn a 13.9 with it, STOCK, on street tires. This thing is so awesome!
Dak owners beware (at least most of us) do not mess with the WRX's (insert and "good driver") because they are very fast!!
Matt Y2K-HEMI
'00 RC 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
14.23 @ 94.49
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conig
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
16:32:04
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IT'S NICE HOW THAT ALL WHELL DRIVE LAUNCHES ISN'T IT. GRABS EVERY BIT OF ASPHAULT. FROM WHAT IVE SEEN OF TESTED TIMES ITS A 14.7 1/4MILE NOT TO GOOD CONSIDERING ITS KICK ASS 0-60 TIME.
I ALMOST GOT ONE BUT COULDN'T BETRAY MY AMERICAN ROUTES (DOMESTIC IMPORT RACER=P)
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swampdak
Gen III
12/18/2001
16:42:27
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I dont think a lot of people are aware of the WRX performance capability.It would be a lot of fun to shake up some muscle car and truck people with this little rocket.
Y2K CC 4.7 AUTO 4X4 3.55 TRAC-LOK SLT K&N 16.35/82.41
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Matt Barret
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
16:42:48
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14.7 ????? This thing would run 14.7 after missing 2 gears !! My truck will run 14.4's all day, and I can tell you, after riding in it, I don't have anything for it. I think Motor Trend ran a 14.2 with it, and typically those guys cant drive, these are same guys who ran 16's in an RT dakota??????? I gaurantee this WRX will run under 14 with the right driver.
Matt Y2K-HEMI
'00 RC 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
14.23 @ 94.49
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Matt Barret
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
16:49:08
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I agree SwampDak, just goes to show you that a turbo'd 4cyl is capable of a lot of HP. And this car weighs about 3100 lbs, not that light for a compact vehicle, considering my truck weighs 3600 lbs !!
I'm typically not an import guy, but I do give credit when it is due, and this WRX is a screamer, and it's going to really surprise some V-8 powered vehicles!
Matt Y2K-HEMI
'00 RC 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
14.23 @ 94.49
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/18/2001
17:41:34
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i was going to sell my truck for that car (only in blue) that thing is awsome! but i have too much $$ wraped in my truck to start over again on something new.
Eric
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Brian024.7
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
17:57:17
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Yeah, a friend has one, ran a 14.3 stock and now a 13.8 with a $4 boost controller. But we all know what would happen if we had turbo :D
coughDUNERcough
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
18:26:54
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Some friends of mine (they're married) got a WRX but a week after I got my 02 Dakota and it's nice. It's a sooby and I've always think they feel a little chinsy if you know what I mean, but damn is that thing quick and can be A LOT quicker. It is an awesome car for the money you pay! I really liked it, too bad they wont let me drive it, lol.
Still love my truck though. :)
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
19:44:26
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I have been trying to talk a friend of mine into buying one. I told him if he will test drive one he will be hooked!! Next years model will have 275 HP. I want one sooooooooo bad!
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
19:45:25
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I have been trying to talk a friend of mine into buying one. I told him if he will test drive one he will be hooked!! Next years model will have 275 HP. I want one sooooooooo bad!
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1Fine5.9
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
20:12:05
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too bad those things are so damn goofy lookin all around
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D
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
20:37:29
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and they can handle in the snow! My girlfriend
has an 01 VWgolf that's a lemon, as soon as
they buy it back, shes gonna get the
WRX...then I get to drive it to the mountains!
D
01/4.7/CC/3.55/flowmaster/TB/airaid/
JetStageII/pegleg, not good in the snow :(
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Chris W
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
21:39:21
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Matt Barrett, Not trying to start an argument, but saying the guys at Motor/Trend cant drive is like saying Bill Gates can't type. Some things are to be expected.
You wouldn,t last too long at M/T if you couldn,t turn good numbers in a vehicle test session.
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Clevite 77
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
22:07:40
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Don't forget weather has a lot to do with the car/trucks ET's
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David
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
22:32:42
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I'd never trade in my v8 for a 4cyl. I like big motors!
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
23:39:54
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I've seen many tests as well in the low 14's to 14 flat on a car with minimal break in. It takes a set of balls to rev it and dump the clutch, (which most magazine tests don't do) but grassroots motorsports did it with theirs and got the good low 14.1 Car and driver tested it side by side to a audi S4 and the WRX beat it as well. My brother has one and I like them as well, but I still like my R/T more (espically considering I spent $8000 less. He was saving up for a used S4 but after seeing the WRX for less then even the most beat up, used S4's he put his deposit down a month before they were loaded on the ships. If the 275 HP STi comes to the US it will be big bucks, or it will be greatly watered down compared to it's Japaniese counterpart STi. Another thing, not only are the WRX's fast straight line, that is not their strong point. You should see them autocross. Now if they only autocrossed on dirt, nothing else stock would even have a prayer. It looks like a WRX driver has won the world rally championship as well, although the French car won the manufactures title, any you thought the WRX was ulgy!
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
00:23:11
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Uh oh, do we have to fight over the S4 again Hersbird! I still want an s4 :P
The friends of mine drove that WRX around the first snowing when everyone was rushing to get their snow tyres and sand bags...while they were all sliding around (including me), my friends drove just fine almost like they had snow tyres. Thtey then had them put on when the tyre place wasn't flooded with people and it handles even BETTER! Gaww...definatly a Montana car, eh Hersbird?
I can't believe that there is going to be yet ANOTHER model with more horses coming to the us..*drool*
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Gary F
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
07:52:04
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Subaru has always built a fairly solid vehicle overall, albeit sometimes quirky (SVX, Brat, etc). The older models were somewhat cheap in their feel, but you could never kill their flat-4 engines. In any case, you can't beat a turbo, just ask all the Diamond Star owners. If the new WRX didn't look so funky, I might think about trading my Neon R/T in on one. One weird looking car for another I suppose. The real sleeper would be the wagon version.
Gary
'98 Neon R/T
'01 Dak 4X2 reg cab, 4.7L, 5 speed, 3.92LS
Osan AB, Korea
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TODD
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
12:22:34
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THEY HAVE MORE HP PER LITER THAN ANY CAR
SOLD IN THE USA
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Brian024.7
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
12:39:22
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thats the dumbest thing I've heard
the Honda S2000 makes 240 hp from 2.0L
same size as the WRX engine but it does NOT have turbo. go figure
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Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
15:06:38
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http://www.geocities.com/formulagt/mywrx.html
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Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
15:19:31
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I heard the WRX engine is based off the H-4 boxter engine. 227hp@14.7psi
I had a Volvo with a 1.9L LPT(low pressure Turbo pushing 14.7psi (chip). Maybe 200-210hp. Never Dynoed it. Not worth it, no LSD for Auto's so I got horrible burn outs around 3000+rpm and major torque steer (Front Wheel Drive). (USA) Only can get an AUTO.
Europe had the 1.9L HPT 200+ 5-speed. Chip made it 220-230hp 0-60 5.9 1/4 14
I love Turbo's! I wish my 5.9L had a Turbo. MMmm Twin Turbo.
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Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
15:34:24
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http://www.cobbtuning.com/projectwrx/wrx-stage3.html
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
19:53:47
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xplikt- My brother did put Atric Alpines on his WRX from Tirerack. His is also an automatic model which has a better vaiable AWD system then the manual WRX gets. Its more like the outback VDC without the active suspension stuff. His is pretty much awesome handling in any condition imagable. The 5-speed would be better for all out acceleration from a dead stop, but with a good powerbrake his car is pretty much already to the limits of the stock tires traction. One thing about the WRX is it does really start to notice things like passengers, AC, and really hot days. My Dakota is only affected by the heat, but not to the extreme my brothers WRX is.
Honda should try strapping a turbo on that S2000, then maybe they'd have something! Actually that is awesome to make 240 hp from a normall aspirated 2.0L, too bad it doesn't make any torque. I bet if you were to drop that motor in a Dakota it would be slower then snot where the WRX motor would still move it nicely. No matter how you look at it, it is a good time to be alagain. It looks like the factory is engaging in horespower wars again, there are a bunch of new cars coming out with pretty sweet motors. None of them really compare to the WRX with it's AWD and mid to low $20,000 price tag.
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Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
00:44:00
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wait till the awd turbo vr6 VWbeetle rally car
comes out...beetles look queer, but I would
die for an awd car with that much power.
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Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
01:16:57
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I thought 5.9's and 5.2's are gonna have an
available twin turbo setup soon from
speedtweaks?????
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
13:33:59
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The WRX from what I've seen, is 0-60 in 5.4 and the 1/4 in 14.2. This compares to an LT-1 F-body that does 0-60 in 5.7 and the 1/4 in 13.7 (same source).
The WRX would be an excellent match for a Syclone. A moderately modded 4.7 or lightly modded R/T could take it in the quarter, but not to 60. A heavily modded dak could take it, however the WRX could also be modded.
In a race I will give the WRX a win, but they run 6-7 kilobucks more than what I paid for my Dak, based on dealer invoice prices from KBB.com (I could buy a blower for $4k :)
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Matt Barret
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
13:47:49
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yea, but how much would you spend to get your Dak to handle like the WRX, have all wheel drive, and be able to hit the off road like the WRX ??
Matt
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Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
14:51:59
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Yea but the WRX body Sytle need to change! The US WRX seem to be near it's limit on performance. For another 4k to 8K will give you low 13's maybe with dumping the clutch. Now how long do you think that 4-wheel drive system is going to hold doing that? Good old American Muscle still wins. F-Body's can do 13's stock. My Co-worker has a 99 Firebird that does low to mid 12's all day long for about 4k all motor. He's rear end is going :) HEHE Too much power! Did I mention it's an AUTO!
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/20/2001
15:09:55
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you cant take a camaro in the dirt or snow. another thing, the subaru is WAY more reliable than anything GM can even think of making, and lets not forget about all of the rattles in the pice of plastic GM calls a car.
cobb tuning makes a kit for the WRX for about 4k or so that gets you 12.7 you could probably get there cheaper, because cobb is expencive.
a 13 sec subie will SMOKE a 12 sec F-body in the twistis
the styling does look kinda lame, but it keeps the cops looking the other way.
Eric
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YJ
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
15:37:30
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Here's an idea. Instead of buying a hunk of cheap plastic with a sickly fast motor, let's all save our nickels and dimes and by the new 7-series BMW due to be in stores very soon. This beautiful vehicle, with its 12-banger, will have style, passion, and charisma along with our perpetual search for the quickest quarter-mile.
I hear they're to be competitively priced to the WRX. :-)
Tee Hee...
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/20/2001
15:42:30
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sorry id rather have the M5 or the mercedes E55 or CLK 55
Eric
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YJ
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
17:01:19
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kota on 20s, oh god you are wrong. :-)
Have you guys heard of the new 'launch' option on the M3's. Something about a small lever or switch that when depressed, will slightly disengage the tranny, set itself to the optimal rpm for the fastest off-the-line performance. My buddy next door at Microsoft is trading his '96 M3 in for the new one. Supposed to be one of the fastest production cars available and is said to be way ahead of the M5.
Feature sounds kinda cool.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/20/2001
17:11:31
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how can i be wrong?! its my OPINION, how can i be wrong?!
"Have you guys heard of the new 'launch' option on the M3's. Something about a small lever or switch that when depressed, will slightly disengage the tranny, set itself to the optimal rpm for the fastest off-the-line performance."
i have this feature on my dakota...its called a CLUTCH conected to a 5speed!
im sure the BMW has a automatic and is sophisticated, but I can do the same thing in my TRUCK, and if i got the M5, i could do the same thing because they only come in a 6speed
Eric
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
17:30:10
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In response to the handling of WRX vs. Dakota, around my area the limit to a car's cornering speed is usually limited to visibility around corners. My Dakota can handle far better than the sane speed around most turns (and that is far beyond the safe speed). If I get a car that can corner better, it won't get me to my destination any quicker or be more fun to drive, however if I get one that gets upto speed quicker it's a different story :)
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YJ
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
17:36:12
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Eric,
Settle down chieftain, the 'you are wrong' bit was sarcasm. Hence the friggin' smiley face.
As to the remainder of your response, the 'launch' feature is computer driven and has the capability to not damage any components. As I'm sure you already know, a computer is faster than you or I on a clutch....even a 6-speed on an M5. So in actuality it's not the same thing. Put this feature in your truck and go side-by-side with the same truck with a standard 5-speed and you'll have one winner and one loser...no matter how fast the driver with the manual is.
So get a grip. I was just tryin' to be friendly. Sh!t, you have a lot of people telling you that you're wrong all of the time or somethin'? Try to have a happy holidays.
YJ
Black 2K QC 4x4 4.7 3.92 ARE KVT910DVD
Black YJ 33X12.5MT 4LHO 4"Procomp Borla Locked
Merry Christmas to all.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/20/2001
17:43:08
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sorry YJ, i didnt see the smiley face ;-)
i heard the M3's will have a shifting set up like the ferrari 360 F1. you know, its a manual shifter with no clutch. the only differance is, the bimmer will have a normal stick lever while the ferrari's is on the steering wheel.
depending on how fast and far down you press the gas, the computer will dump the clutch at a higher rpm.
is that what you are talking about?
happy holiday's
Eric
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
21:48:24
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I like the fact that this car was designed to a Rally Race car first and then made into a marketable vechile maintaining most of it's rally race atributes. This car striped down with a different eprom in the ecm hold the record in it's class at pikes peak. The power train was stock other then eprom swap and susepion geometry was stock but shocks were custom.
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Bruce P.
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
22:17:12
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I was at NewEnglandDragway this fall to see the "4 cylinder street cars". There were several WRXs there. They were respectable competetors especially because of the great off-the-line traction. There were also dual-turbo, rotary-engined, mazdas and other really cool-looking cars. (mostly riceburners)
The URL below takes some time to download before viewing but it was one of the fastest runs of the day. It is a Front Wheel Drive, AMERICAN MADE car with NO nitrus.... be prepared to be surprized at what kind of car it is. (I am told that it is one of the quickest in the country of its type.)
http://www.animemecha.com/DSM/Gary.mov
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
12/21/2001
00:19:14
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The one downfall however, is that car's engine compartment is SMUSHED big time, takes a little longer to do things -- like change spark plugs.
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toxic13
Dodge Dakota
12/21/2001
00:28:22
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Bruce P., i'm on dial-up with a weak-a$$ connection so i'm not even gonna try to download that movie but i'm guessing that's Gary Donovan's 1985 Reliant. as far as i know it's the fastest K-Car in the world, running 10.4 second 1/4 miles qith 132mph traps. also, how were the RX7's(twin turbo Rotar2 rotary mazda's) allowed to run in the 4cyl class? they're considered, by mazda, to be 1.8l engines, but even Wenkel himself said that a rotary engines displacement should be doubled...which puts those engines quite a bit above most 4cyl's specs, and they're usually classified w/ the other japanese super cars that all run 3.0l 6cyls.
conig, you mentioned the fact that the WRX pulls somewhat dissapointing 1/4MI times compared to it's 0-60 times. this is due to the powerloss through the AWD driveline. on average RWD loses about 15-18% of it's power through the driveline. FWD is slightly higher. AWD typically has about a 25-30% loss of power through the driveline.
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