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Rockn blk dak
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11/12/2001
14:07:15
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NO way can an intrepid beat me it cant be done, i will not have. So can it be done, i have 2001 r/c dakota automatic 4.7 and 3.55. It is an intrepid with the motorsports package. Who will win.
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
11/12/2001
14:22:21
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Only one way to find out.
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
11/12/2001
14:37:16
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I don't think I have ever witnessed an Intrepid going down the track. I have no clue !
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Clevite 77
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11/12/2001
16:21:42
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I would say that the intrepid would take ya, I was always told that the front wheel drive cars loose less power through the drive-train than a rwd so in that case the Dakota wouldn't have too much more power than an intrepid plus the intrepid is lighter, and more aerodynamic
Just a theory but
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Clevite 77
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11/12/2001
16:23:57
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sorry about that deleted last part of sentence
(but i could be wrong) was supposed to be up there hehe
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Jeffster
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11/12/2001
18:37:13
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Intrepid LMAO!!!!
I doubt youl'd lose if you have a reg cab 2WD. Yes the HP is close this is true but I think you will find your truck has a huge amount more tourqe. The Intrepid isn't exactly a small light car either. If a Neon had that V6 it would be quick.
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Dave_e08
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8/08/2002
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I have a '96 intrepid 3.5. It has been bored .30 over and has a cat back dual exaust with a custom iceman intake, intercooler, and was lowered 2.5 inches with intrax springs and tokico struts. I also added a jet performance module. I'll bet my intrepid would spank the pants off your dakota. I would estimate my horsepower at about 315hp at the wheels. Not bad for an intrepid. No rice burner for me only American for this New Yorker.
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Clevite 77
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8/08/2002
09:52:18
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315hp??? that's one hell of an estimated guess
is it turbo or s-charged?
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conig
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8/08/2002
10:10:15
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yeah he mentioned an intercoller but no turbo. lol.
And this truck is my first rear wheel drive car, you lose just as much power through a front wheel drive transaxle usually around 20% on my automati contour and 17% for my 5 speed svt.
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xplikt
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8/08/2002
10:15:01
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Lowering, exhaust, and iceman intake...hrm, you got a whole 10hp there -- on a good day.
The boring is pretty cool though, but not enough to add a supercharger sized amount of power.
Aren't intprepids heavy as hell too??
I had an early model race me before and I beat him everytime. His reaction time to a light was about a FULL SECOND, no joke. An Alera beat his ass down after I did..
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Demon Dakota
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8/08/2002
10:16:34
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3.5L Intrepid motor is stock 244 HP and 250 Tq. It could easily be bored out and such, and could reach 300 HP pretty easily naturally aspirated. I think it'd be closer than you imagine (if it's stock car vs. stock truck) in a race. Both will have slight traction problems on the initial launch (street tires), but when they hook up, it'll come down to the driver for sure.
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
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8/08/2002
10:48:49
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C&D test results:
2000 Intrepid R/T
0-60: 7.8
Standing 1/4-mile 16.0 sec @ 89 mph
2000 Dakota 4.7+5 speed quad cab
0-60: 7.7
Standing 1/4 mile 16.0 sec @ 86 mph
Sounds like one hell of a race :)
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Travisb
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8/08/2002
11:39:24
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"3.5L Intrepid motor is stock 244 HP and 250 Tq. It could easily be bored out and such, and could reach 300 HP pretty easily naturally aspirated."
He mentioned 315HP at the wheels, It would make a little more sense if he were talking about Flywheel HP.
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Chipster
Dodge Dakota
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8/08/2002
11:58:49
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I have a 300M it has 3.5L 24valve V6. The
problem with it is the set up. It's mounted
conventionally, like our motors, but it is front
wheel drive. This set up is not very efficent. But
it is very quick from 60 to 110
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8/08/2002
17:49:43
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Demon-Xanth
did car-driver also clame that a stock rt had 158 hp at rear wheel?
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sandman
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8/08/2002
18:25:33
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Hey I drove an Intrepid while Dodge was checking my Dak out. I was not impressed with it at all. The car between 36,000-56,000 and it was in bad shape. The car rattled like a Chevette everthing inside moved when you hit a bump. The steering colum moved around alot. The car felt like it was ready to start dropping parts at any second. The good side was that the engine seemed to be in good shape and the trany was in good shape too. If you let it shift it's self it was a grany mobile if you gifted manualy and ran the rpm's up it felt strong. I would not be one bit worried raceing one in the 1/4 or 1/8 mile. You need to get him off the line and you will have him.
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Dr Q
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8/08/2002
19:08:37
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I rented a new Intrepid when I went home to Chicago. It was a dog! I took a peek under the hood and to be honest I was really surprised to find a V-6. While you have an auto 3.55 I still think you'll smoke him. It had absolutly no pull off the line. On the highway it was OK but you don't hagve the option of dropping a gear and and punching it.
Have fun!
Q
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
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8/08/2002
19:44:10
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Now a turbo Stratus R/T I would like to have..
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IntenseDak39
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8/08/2002
19:55:27
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www.forwardmotioninc.com makes a turbo kit for the 3 liter stratus rt.... woo hoo!
they already run 14.7 stock... nice turbo, bigger injectors, tb, ignition, and free flowing exhaust... camaro territory!
intensedak3.9
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YJ
Dodge Dakota
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8/08/2002
21:02:52
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Uh...fyi...96 intrepid 3.5L v6 stock horsepower is 214 not 244. 220 ft-lbs torque not 250. Who bores-out a 3.5L v6 on an intrepid....aside from dave-e08? That's like me buyin' a 96 taurus and boring IT out.
Of course I'd add a trailer hitch immediately...
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YJ
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sandman
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8/08/2002
23:12:22
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YJ, It is common to rebore to a larger size when rebuilding an engine. Boreing to a larger size does little to increase HP over stock bore unless you are strokeing it as well. The reason you rebore is to get rid of a tapered bore due to wear. Some also do it to fit off application HP pistons to an engine that is not commonly built up, so you bore to fit. It is common for V6 and V8 engines to have 7-8 mm taper by 150,000 miles. YJ are you aware that at one point the Taurus had more power and performance then the mustang. When Ford introduced the Taurus SHO it made 210HP while the Mustang 5.0 only made 150HP. SHO owners were eating Mustangs for breakfast. While the 96 is not knocking anyones socks off it would not be unprecedented. P.S. People are hot roding/riceing the lowly Ford Focus so stranger things are happening right now.
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YJ
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8/09/2002
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Right. I guess I should've written 'Bore and Stroke' rather than just Bore. I am aware that the SHO was a quick family sedan, but c'mon, a built Taurus/Intrepid/Focus/Accord/Civic? Wouldn't it make more sense to make an initial purchase of a machine with a high-performance engine and building that up? I realize the hobby aspect, and I love workin' on my jeep, but geez, you don't see me buyin' a geo tracker and building that up for wheelin'? I suppose it is 'to all his own', but although strange and stranger things are happening right now, some just seem to make a bit more sense than others.
Hey sandman, you sound like you know what you're talking about. Can you post an explanation, when you get a chance, about bore and stroking. Any tips, suggestions (obvious or not), etc... Or point us to a website. Always looking for tips.
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YJ
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xplikt
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8/09/2002
12:20:26
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sandman, have you seen what those Focuses are doing in WRC lately? Given, they are no EVO or STI, but it's not half bad.
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8/09/2002
12:23:26
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there is a built taurus SHO at the track (1/8th),
supercharged V6 I'm not sure what motor they
put in the SHO's, suzuki I think, but that was
one mean 8.25 second bitch!
If you bought that SOB new, that would
definately be an initial purchase of a machine
with a high performance engine.
dont get me started on the Focus' there are
some mean focus's running around. they
make a million more performance parts for
the focus, than my friggin 4.7...and if you start
with the SVT model, its over.
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
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8/09/2002
12:31:25
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"Demon-Xanth
did car-driver also clame that a stock rt had 158 hp at rear wheel?"
Considering that it's FWD and C&D rarely does thier own dyno testing, I hope not :)
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YJ
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8/09/2002
13:10:06
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C'mon guys. Leave the SHO and the focus alone. Save your nickels and dimes. Buy a Porsche Turbo, Viper, or a used Lotus. Then start building. ; )
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Bri
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8/09/2002
16:02:37
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Anyone ever race a Pontiac Grand Prix ?? I think they are pretty quick.
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sandman
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8/10/2002
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YJ, I agree that it makes more sense to start with a performance based rwd car then a fwd anemic econo car. I would never buy a civic and then try to turn it into a 9 second car!!! I would rather buy a used Toyota Supra Turbo, RX7,Dodge Stealth or Accura NSX and then start modifify. If I had to buy a new car I would wait for the New Supra or RX7 to hit the market. I might also wait for the new Potiac GTO. The WRX series is a riot to watch. I did some rally raceing in Europe while I was growing up their. I was an aprentice at BMW and I got to test drive each car that I was a Tech. on around the proveing grounds. One of my friends dads restored and solded clasic Porsch's. He saw me drive and I started doing some amature raceing for him. All of our stuff was purchased used from Porsch factory team when they were done with it. We never had any big sponsors just little mom and pop type companys but I learned alot and had alot of fun. When I first came back from Germany I got pulled over going over 146 mph in my moms nicely modified Plymoth Laser Turbo!!! Luckily the Cop had been a soldier and when he saw my German liscense he gave me a 30 minute lecture and sent me on my way. I never even knew he was following me by the time he caught up with me I was slowing down as I neared the city limits. If you ask specific questions I will happily answere to the best of my ability. Engines are like alot of area's their is always more then one philosphy to building one and each scool of thought has some valid points so you will often get more then one solution that will work. Tell me what you want to do and I will give you my opions based on engines that I have built and raced. Most of my experince has been with BMW and Toyota engines but I have done a couple of Honda's, a Plymoth and a couple of Chevy Small and Big Blocks. I am still learning the Dodge systems. Bernd and CW are by all accounts the best for Tech. info on DC EFI systems and mechanical limiting factors. Remember that the longer the rods the better!!! Stroked eninges are not very durable but offer alot of torque in exchange for durability. Stroke to rod length ratio is a major key yo piston and ring life!!!!!!
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YAAAABUDDY03
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8/10/2002
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i have no idea what is in my friends mom's intreped... and i think its a 1996 tho... but my I4 gave it a run for its money... i was going 70 or so then he passed me up
p.s. maybe its just my mad 5-speed skills... hahaha
"The 5-speed Man"
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GRiD
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8/10/2002
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The Taurus SHO's used a yamaha 3.0.
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street guy
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8/11/2002
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96 intrepid 3.5=214 hp 220 lb.ft 2002 intrepid rt 3.5=244 hp 250 lb.ft.
and thats the truth. the rt will outrun any STOCK Dodge truck but just barely. Why? it is lighter and has less frontal area (wind resistance) Dr.Q Most of those rental car companies buy the intrepid with the totally enemic 2.7 engine that puts out only 170 or so hp why? it decreases repair costs as people quit trying to outrace the other guy cause they soon find out they can't.
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