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Trip
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
11:22:09
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Does anybody on the board have any experience with the Raven exhaust from Midas? How does it compare with the other aftermarket cat-backs etc.
Any info appreciated,
Trip
99 CC 3.9 Sport 5sp.
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
15:58:18
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I have a Ravin' on my 99 5.2L V8, and I think it sounds great compared to the Flowmasters and other exhaust products.
Plus, Midas gives you a "lifetime" warranty as well... which to me was important since I plan on keepin' my truck for a long, long time.
However, I don't really know what they would sound like on V6. But on my V8 it is nice and throaty... really mean sounding! (I'm sure my neighbors really love me too!)
Anyways, I like the Ravin', however I can't vouch for what it will be like on a V6.
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
18:41:17
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I am trying to decide between the Ravin and Flowmaster...but I am sorta leaning towards the Ravin. A lil more expensive though...
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Mills
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
19:38:21
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a friend of mine has raven on his F-150 ( i wont get into the merits, or lack thereof as far as fords go) and to be honest it sounds awesome. and it did a lot for the performance (power and mileage) of his truck. he is very happy with it as far as i know. how expensive is it looking anyway (if you dont mind my asking), ill ask what he spent.
good luck
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R/T
Dodge Dakota
11/06/2001
21:55:26
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Rip off the stock muffler and replace it with a flowmaster. I get compleaments saying it sounds like a ferrari with half the cylinders. V6
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Goodyear
Dodge Dakota
11/07/2001
13:14:27
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which flowmaster though R/T?
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trip
Dodge Dakota
11/09/2001
00:55:29
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I am still playing the pricing game. I have a friend that is the GM of a local Midas and he may give me a pretty good break. I will let you know,
trip
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Goodyear
Dodge Dakota
11/09/2001
10:09:53
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How many times do i have to ask you R/T? Which flowmaster series? Ive asked you on two different boards. Thanks!
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/09/2001
12:05:21
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Hey Trip...
Another benefit of letting Midas do this is that aside from having the "lifetime guarantee", they will make sure that it is installed correctly...without any rattles or "unusual" noise.
I had them install dual outs on my Dak, and they actually welded the pipes together versus just clamping them. They also installed reinforcement straps to my pipes and they don't move or wiggle at all... rock solid.
Remember... when you buy a Ravin' from Midas, you are also paying for the installation of it as well. Yeah, you can get a decent flowmaster for about $65 but you either have to install it yourself or pay someone to do that for you. W
Where I live, winters are kinda harsh and the salt and chemicals they use on the roads will eat that muffler alive in a few years... Of course since mine is "lifetime guaranteed" all I gotta worry about is paying the labor for having a new one installed.
Just do what you feel is right... Good luck man.
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Trip
Dodge Dakota
11/11/2001
12:07:20
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Hey DarkFury,
thanks for the input. I have read a few posts that indicate that the Ravin exhaust performs as well as any of the other aftermarket products. Mostly it appears that it is just more expensive than the others, but if I get a good price on it then all other things being equal I suppose it is a good exhaust. I listened to a Durango RT with the Ravin system and it did sound GOOD on the V8. Thanks again for the advice,
Trip
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bernd
*GenIII*
11/12/2001
02:15:49
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I had run a Ravin muffler on my truck as a test when they first came out at Midas...no improvement over the Flowmaster I had. Performance vs. the Cost isn't worth it.
Here's some options for you with the Flowmaster:
Flowmaster 50-Series SUV: 525552 (2.5" IN/Dual 2.25"OUT)
Flowmaster 50-Series SUV: 52555 (Single 2.5" IN/OUT)
Flowmaster 50-Series Performance: 425502 (2.5" IN/Dual 2.0" OUT)
Flowmaster 40-Series Performance: 42540 (Single 2.5" IN/OUT)
Flowmaster "Delta-Force" Series: 425509 (Single 2.5" IN/OUT)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/12/2001
02:59:17
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Rip off the stock muffler and replace it with a flowmaster. I get compleaments saying it sounds like a ferrari with half the cylinders. V6
How is your truck getting called a V-6 a compliment?? I woud be offended if someone said my truck sounded like a V-6. Or a Ferrari with half the cylinders. Not a very good way to promote Flowmaster. I prefer Spintech, but that's what I have so of course I'm goint o like it.
http://blackdakrt.com/mpegs/brian_spintech.mpg
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Trip
Dodge Dakota
11/13/2001
03:12:27
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Hey Bernd,
of all the choices that you listed which one is the best performance exhaust, and which one is the best comprimise between sound and performance?; in your opinion of course,
Trip
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bh
Dodge Dakota
11/13/2001
03:48:47
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Raven exhaust bites a big one. dont get it sounds like a f***ing dirt bike . Go for a gibson it sounds so good and gives you some power to play with. bottom line raven suscks big you know what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sak
Dodge Dakota
11/14/2001
19:58:56
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HSKR, what do you know your r/t with slicks runs as fast as most 3.9s...
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bernd
*GenIII*
11/14/2001
23:42:45
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Trip: The 52555 sounds the best in my opinion.
BH: The Ravin and Flowmasters sound identical (I know...I've run both)
HKSR: The spintechs sound like flowmasters as well. (Our sponsored truck runs a spintech and it sound the same as the flowmaster on my buddies '99 R/T.)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/15/2001
00:12:22
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So most 3.9's run 14.73@93.1mph???
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/15/2001
00:13:36
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Sounds like bh has some "personal issues" with Ravin's...
I guarantee you.. MINE DON'T SOUND LIKE A DIRT BIKE!
He probably had one on a 4 cylinder or something.
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bernd
*GenIII*
11/15/2001
00:45:40
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Mine can. (Seriously)
You skeered yet with that big-ole V8 under your hood? ;)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
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bh
Dodge Dakota
11/15/2001
02:30:03
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a friends got it on a ranger . it sounds all right becaus he punched out the honey comb in the cat converter.
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/15/2001
02:46:35
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Nope not skeered yet since my engine doesn't require 10lbs of boost and a NOS shot to go that fast. ANd when I get my SC bolted on next year definitly not skeered.
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bernd
*GenIII*
11/15/2001
10:57:01
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HSKR: Next year? Heheheh...the V6 will be revamped by then and will easily run 13's. ;)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/15/2001
16:01:28
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BH... now you should know better. You can't compare a Ranger to a Dakota. That's just ludicrous...
Therefore, you have already disqualified your original statement.
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sak
Dodge Dakota
11/15/2001
19:37:35
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14.73? is that what your r/t turned out for sport truck? I know my 4.7 in stock form run 14.8 all day long.
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Brandon
Dodge Dakota
11/17/2001
06:10:31
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hey man dont pick on me I was a little drunk and mad when i typed that OK.
bh
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/17/2001
23:08:46
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BH/Brandon,
I'm not pickin' on you.. but when someone is asking for "advice" on a topic/product and you have a "dissenting" opinion... it would help to have actually proof/facts/experience with the product that you are disagreeing with.
Ok then... if you were drunk (and I TRULY believe that since you compared a Ranger to a Dakota) then I guess I will let this one go. Peace.
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2THEXTRM
Dodge Dakota
11/17/2001
23:20:10
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My preference is Flowmaster, been using their exhaust for over 10 years and 7 vehicles(Changed what I was driving like my shorts... until I bought my first Dakota, but that is another story). I have been nothing but happy with the reliability, peformance and better than factory fit of their American Designed and Manufactured exhaust. I know nothing of Raven, but if it sounds like Flowmaster as Bernd said and is made from stainless not that aluminized crap with proven Dyno results, then thumbs up! I will not put down any product I have not tried myself just because of my product preference. FLOWMASTER=:)
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trip
Dodge Dakota
11/18/2001
22:09:03
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Well I appreciate all of the input. At least "qualified and quantified" input that is. I will let you all know what kind of price I get before I buy,
Trip
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andrew
Dodge Dakota
11/18/2001
23:20:50
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HSKR, HSKR, HSKR(head shaking). You must be new here because you arent exercising common sense. Never, and I mean never, ever argue, dispute, or even talk $hit to Bernd, for he is truly the man. In case you havent noticed, he is kind of like the unofficial authority when it come to knowledge on our daks. So what I am saying is, he knows his $hit. Dont believe me? just check out his previous post. The guy is spouting knowledge that makes your head spin and wonder, "how did he know that?"
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/19/2001
03:29:25
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Andrew, I know Bernd, and I know he knows a lot, but not all about these trucks. I own a 5.9, so I know what my truck can do, and what I need to do to get the performance out of it. He owns a 3.9 V-6, and has gotten his to run good. No, I havn't been on this list long, but have had my R/T long enough, and been on a few other board long enough to know what MY truck can do. Even after his V-6 get's "revamped" I won't be skeered at all, because I will be running low 13's at least. And I will have a lot less oney into my engine, and my reliability will be better cause I won't be tryin to force as much performance out of my engine as he is with ihs V-6. And I have learned never to argue with Bernd, not because he knows his shyte, but because he doesn't want to hear that someone else might have a different opinion, that works just as good if not better, than his on the performance of the Dakota.
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mwillis61
Dodge Dakota
11/19/2001
07:04:48
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Hey HSKR, My money is on Bernd.
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bernd
*GenIII*
11/19/2001
09:09:40
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You think that the V6's is all I know? I mainly deal with the 5.2/5.9L crowd. Cost wise, the modifications to the V6 are identical in price to the 5.2/5.9L as the parts are the same. (Internal parts being identical to the 5.2L.)
If someone installs the same (or close to same) modifications on their V8 as I did on the V6, cost is the same but the performance level...well, I increased the times on my truck from a factory 17.4 to a 14.9. Just think what that would do to a factory 15.5-15.8 second R/T! (And the only thing you'd have to do is change the head gaskets and factory head bolts on the 5.2/5.9L to handle the higher boost pressure.)
Yeah, everyone has their own opinions and I'll never claim to be a "guru" or "know everything". There's always room to learn more on these trucks...and there's always someone faster than you. :)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.93 @ 93.26mph
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andrew
Dodge Dakota
11/19/2001
11:14:57
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I will bet he knows a hell of alot more about YOUR motor than YOU do. I dont think its a question of you being skeered, but more of a fact that bernd can keep up with you in his "little" V6. I think most of what bernd says is fact and I cant count how many times he has answered a question or solved a problem about my 5.2(ya know, a V8!).
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eric
Dodge Dakota
11/19/2001
14:36:14
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Has anyone lost low end power replacing your exhaust with a dual or bigger single cat back exhaust on a 4.7. I was thinking of going with gibsons either single or dual. which would you reccomend.
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CW
GenIII
11/19/2001
14:44:13
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I put on a flowmaster 3" cat back 50series on mine and didn't seem to loose a thing. But I have some mild intake mods as well. Can't wait to get the 72mm TB and Z-tube.
2001 4.7 5sp RC 3.91 sport plus
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/19/2001
15:27:24
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See, can't argue with him cause he's always right. You put all the money you want on Bend, and I'll stick to what I know. I give Bernd respect cause he does know a lot, but my experience with him from other forums has proven he doesn't know all, and doesn't like to admit when he is wrong.
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CW
GenIII
11/19/2001
20:17:12
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People give him the respect he deserves, he helps people for free and is always is a good guy. Anyone who can sqweeze that much HP/CID and keep the reliability and milage up needs to have his hand shaken. If you are trying to alienate people on this board you are doing a good job.
2001 4.7 5sp RC 3.91 sport plus
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/19/2001
20:20:52
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Not tryin to alienate anyone, just offering my opinion. If you don't like it, then don't listen to it. We are all given the right to our own opinions. Like I said, I respect him because he does know a lot about these trucks, but he's not the end all guru of Daskota's, and I think there are people that belive he is.
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CW
GenIII
11/19/2001
20:32:03
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No not the end of all guru, but he is by far the best on this board and that is my opinion.
2001 4.7 5sp RC 3.91 sport plus
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andrew
Dodge Dakota
11/19/2001
21:00:39
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Mine too
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/19/2001
22:52:39
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Well, I'm sorry to have upset every one with my truthful opinion. Guess I will leave all the questions for Bernd to answer from now on.
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