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dakrt2000
Dodge Dakota
6/21/2001
17:22:41
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has any body thought of doing this or
know of anyone who has done it any
info would be appreciated
Thank
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Joe
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steve-o
Dodge Dakota
6/21/2001
17:35:02
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they make a 6spd conversion kit, not sure but i think it costs around 5-6k
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surferpug
Dodge Dakota
6/21/2001
18:36:31
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man for that kind of cash, get a S/C or save some more and buy a crate engine
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dakrt2000
Dodge Dakota
6/22/2001
12:43:15
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From what I ve heard the crate
motor s not even that great
I rather redo my whole
motor, I here the crate motor
doesnt react to well with
the fuel injection
Any thoughts?
joe
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Smokin
Dakota Enthusiast
6/22/2001
14:42:24
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The Dodge 5 speed will not bolt up to a 5.9L.I agree it would be fun to have but I don't think it's at all practical to even go for the 6 speed conversion. I mean a tranny can only do so much for your times.It might also hurt your 60 ft times with street tires because 300+ lb's of rear wheel torque will not be easy to hook when you dump that clutch.The reason Dodge didn't design their 5 speed to mate to the 5.9L is because the 5 speed isn't designed to handle that much torque day in and day out. It can handle the horsepower no problem. But the extra torque would give the stock clutch and throw out bearings some problems.I agree that putting money into your stock motor such as a Set of the R/T heads,M-1 manifold, a good TB, Computer, Ignition, exhaust, etc would yeild MUCH better gains than a tranny swap. I don't like the Idea of the 360 crate motor either. It's pretty expensive and you could do MORE to your stock one with the money you would be spending on the crate. A powerdyne supercharger and the R/T heads would be less than $4000, and that would easily get you 80+ r.w.h.p. do a complete exhaust system and that's you another 20 at the wheels (mainly from the headers) That would be around $1,000. So for $5,000 you have AT LEAST 100 more r.w.h.p. and a lot less trouble on your hands.
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Art
Dodge Dakota
6/22/2001
15:11:16
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hey smokin, the 360 crate has 380 hp and its around 3 grand how u figure 4k is cheaper?it will not run well injected with stock system but I have used 2 of these in diff cars very nice engines,one was with a holley 750 cfm carb and 1 with the holley projection TB setup it worked well too but the carb setup much easier way more easily tuned and wayyy cheaper,I want to see 1 of you r/t guys with that engine and carb,then it would be a real r/t
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dakrt2000
Dodge Dakota
6/22/2001
15:17:24
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3000 I can get a supercharger like a Kenny Bell
and smoke the dam crate motor and still save on
gas
Also I would like to hear from somebody who
has done the 6 speed because that would handle
the torque limits and also you could get an
upgraded clutch for the man trans
I just want to find info and maybe do it just
to have a stick.
Thanks for your replys guys
I appreciate it
If you have any info at all state it
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dakrt2000
Dodge Dakota
6/22/2001
15:19:14
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Also the bigger full size dodges have five spds
that can handle the full torque limit no problem
just thought I would let you know
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Art
Dodge Dakota
6/22/2001
16:12:51
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dont think so dakrt,you tell me how you save on gas with a supercharger huh?lol what a joke I get the same mileage in my duster and demon that you r/t dweebs get in your so called fuel efficient modern trucks,I run a mag crate in the demon you wouldnt see anything but my big demon sticker on the rear window,better mileage lmfao,once you learn how to tune a holley come tell me sometin
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dakrt2000
Dodge Dakota
6/22/2001
16:24:33
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So you get 16 mpg even when you step on it alot huh, thats alot of bullshit
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Art
Dodge Dakota
6/22/2001
17:04:03
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Did I say 16? you dont get no better that 12 in the city I get that with my old cars my 4.7 dak only gets 15.4 in the city dont get me wrong I love mopars always have but modern fuel efficent?lol you were sayin dollar wise ur beter off with a supercharged 5.9 I dont even wanna know the millage on those,with a crate engine its cheaper than ur stock 5.9 with supercharger and it is not going to be stronger than the 380 hp crate engine and you have 2 engines to boot sell the stock 1 or keep to put in later,how can you go wrong?
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Smokin
Dakota Enthusiast
6/23/2001
02:00:14
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The 2500 and 3500 series full size Rams don't come with a 5 speed. Their are 3 engine choices for those model's. The 5.9L,V-10, and diesel. The 6 speed manual is used on the Diesel. The 5.9L and V-10 both come auto only. When they still made the 5.2L you could get the 1500 series Ram with a 5.2L 5 speed.
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Ralphp
Dodge Dakota
6/23/2001
03:37:20
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I don't know about the newer model year Ram trucks, but my step-father has a '96 2500 with the V-10 and 5-speed manual transmission.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
6/23/2001
18:12:50
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If you get a 1500 series Ram and want the 360 you have to get an automatic. For the 2500 series Ram it shows both the 360 and 5 speed manual as standard. I think in the 2500 and 3500 series it is a different, bigger 5-speed then comes in the Dakota or the 1500 series Ram and I don't know if it could be made to work in a Dakota.
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BMac
Dodge Dakota
6/25/2001
05:55:58
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With the older Dodges, all the small blocks have the same bolt pattern for the bell housing. The only difference is the balance of the flywheel.
Would this be the same with the newer ones?
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BMac
Dodge Dakota
6/25/2001
05:56:50
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With the older Dodges, all the small blocks have the same bolt pattern for the bell housing. The only difference is the balance of the flywheel.
Would this be the same with the newer ones?
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FlameRedDak
Dodge Dakota
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8/11/2004
22:31:04
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Unless chrysler secretly changed the bellhousing bolt patterns 318s and 360s have the same pattern. Your older La motors had differences in external and internal balancing. The mag motors are balance the same I believe. So the crap about it not bolting up isnt true...and come on do you think 45 more ft/lbs of torque is really gonna do that much damage. Its the same damn story today. Half ton rams cant have a 5 speed behind the hemi and yet the three quarter tons can have a 5 speed hemi combo. I think chrysler figures that the small amount of people that would by a 5 speed wouldnt be worth the trouble in the half ton. Today its to the point where you have to order cars/trucks with manual trannys. Alot of people just rather have an auto for daily driving especially if you live in a busy city....and besides...you cant outshift an automatic lol..
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modain
Dodge Dakota
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8/12/2004
03:33:29
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FlameRedDak - Your argument about Ram 1500/2500 with 5 speeds is apples and oranges. The NV3500 is used in the Dakota and I'm pretty sure in the Ram 1500. That's why you can get it bolted up to a 3.9 or 3.7 V6, and the 4.7 V8 in either truck.
The NV3500 has a max input torque rating of 300 lbs/ft at a mximum load of 12,000 pounds. Anything beyond that and the tranny will not reliably stand up to the strain. In short, it can grenade.
DCX chose to put the NV4500 into the Ram 2500, and therefore offers it mated to the 5.7 Hemi. The NV4500 has a higher input torque and max weight rating. It's 5.7 Hemi, 5.9 V8 and 7.3 V10 safe.
The NV4500 won't fit into the Dakota without some cutting and refabricating. So nothing beyond 300 lbs/ft torque engines are offered with the manual.
The reference charts I remember this from are not linked any more on the NewVentureGear site. Sorry.
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cloudy
Dodge Dakota
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8/12/2004
16:10:48
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The NV3500 has a max input torque rating of 300 lbs/ft at a mximum load of 12,000 pounds. Anything beyond that and the tranny will not reliably stand up to the strain. In short, it can grenade.
So if someone was to modify their 4.7 or 5.2 with a 5 speed, it wouldn't hold up.?
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Greg
Dodge Dakota
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8/12/2004
22:02:16
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Ok back to the original subject of tranny swap abilities...
Yes they are expensive but there are both heavy duty keisler 5 and 6 speed tranny's available... The only one that needs extreme modifications done to the driveshaft, clutch fork, and crossmember support are the kits for the 4.7l's...
The 6 speed available above is the none other than one of the best transmissions ever built, the T56... This is the very same one that goes in the Cobra mustangs, Corvettes, SRT10 dodge trucks and a few other very nice vehicles... These can handle up to "I think but not sure" 600+ hp and an ungodly amount of torque...
The 5 and 6 speed kits are both available through keislerauto "I think but not sure here as well"...
Anyone who has ever driven a dodge with the junk manuals they put into them know that they are nowhere near geared right and will not hold up through any kind of rough driving...
The last guy on here who put the T56 6 speed behind his 4.7l that I talked to on here, said he was now getting 25mpg easily not to mention that he was running a lower geared rear end "4:10 I think" and the truck now had excellent take off capabilities and the closer gearing allowed him to keep his rpms just right...
The T56 unlike most transmissions has all steel syncros along with a syncroed reverse gear... It is probably one of the best and wellest designed transmissions on the market... I just wish I had the money to buy one myself...
Oh and I forgot to metion that these kits were specifically designed for the R/T's :))
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pettie
Dodge Dakota
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8/12/2004
22:43:47
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The NV3500 can't handle torque, How does Bill White run one behind his 408??
If you want a 5spd, go to http://www.keislerauto.com
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