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My Dak is only a year old, and I'd known about this problem since this thread started. I'd periodically check my carpet on the passenger side. Today, I found the carpet was wet at the sill plate. When I removed the sill plate and the kick panel, and pulled the carpet back, it was like a freaking lake underneath it! The foam carpet pad was saturated, and the water would pour out of it when I lifted it up. I bought a 3/4" PVC elbow and some 3/4" rubber hose, and I installed the elbow onto the AC drain spigot that comes through the firewall. I'm not convinced that this is the source of the problem, though. We had a good rain Sunday night, and the truck sat out in it. I'm going to run some water down the cowl area to see if I can find a leak before I put the carpet back down. Thanks to everyone who's helped shed light on this problem.
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Quad
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You guys are doing all this diagnostic work on your trucks that should be covered under the new vehicle warranty? If these Daimler "5 Star" service jerks won't fix your problems you should be contacting the attorney general's office in your state. Daimler needs to be held responsible for such gross incompetence. As for me, if my Dak starts leaking I'm gonna head over to the dealership and feed the service manager a steady diet of high fiber carpet and let him wash it down with shop vac water.
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Gentleman
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The hole where the drain tube exits into the engine compartment is larger than they drain pipe, it is not a tight fit, since the tube comes straight out and does not have an elbow looking down, while driving the wind forces the water back inside the cab, in addition to the elbow smear some silicone around the opening.
Bob
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chesire17201
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OK, i will explain this, IT IS NOT THE A/C, If it was why would you get the same problem during the winter? exactly you wouldn't...the problem is the pass. side rear wher the cab and back wall meet. the exact area is the seam running sown the back wall(look on the outside of your truck, under the reare window, see the seam under the bottom corner where the rear window where the cab is joined whit the back wall? there is your leak.) wanna fix it, weld the damn seam shut as from the factory it's just a overlap and sealed inside. or do what i did, pull carpet,take out tool box under rear seat, drill holes into the floor in the low spot to make a drain, ta da problem solved, water still comes in but at least now it can get out, and if you are worried about the holes, why bother, they are under the truck in the floor, you can't see them, and they are where no water can possibly get in that way, and i would much rather have a few holes in my floor than all the water and mildew that was there before.......
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Dumb Question
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7/05/2003
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If it is the seam as you say why does water show up when it has not rained or been washed ?
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DanW
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Maybe if enough of us report it, something might happen. Give it a shot
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/
Untill then thankyou for all the suggestions
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Rcranium
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7/07/2003
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DanW, that is a good idea. I just went online and filled out the complaint. It took less than 5 minutes. As for mine, the dealer says the leak in from an unknown source near the firewall. They are ordering new carpet and will replace it later this week. I hope they find and fix the problem before putting new carpet down!
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chesire17201
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the water takes a while to show up because you wont notice it till the carpet is saturated, hence it will take a few washes/rains till anything up front gets wet and shows up, wanna find it earlier, lift your lid on the toolbox and shine a flashlight in there, you'll see water......
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7/08/2003
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My leaking problem most definitely was due to the AC drain tube. I ran water down the windshield, cowl vent and the front of the door at the hood hinge, and no water came in through the front of the cab, all body seams were sealed up tight. Through the access holes in the kick panel, I could see water running down, and it was draining out onto the ground. I also held a hose right on the rear window channels, and no water came in through the backside of the cab. I've used the AC pretty heavy the last few days, and I pulled the carpet up again to check. There was some moisture under there, but it was coming from the residual moisture left in the pad...no lake like before, since I installed the drain elbow.
Chesire is right, though, you won't know you have a problem until it's too late. I knew this problem might happen, and I pulled the edge of my carpet up at the top several times and felt underneath, and it was dry. It was only after enough water had collected in the floorboard valley and overflowed to the sill that I noticed the carpet was getting wet. I think some trucks do have trouble with leaky rears, but a lot of them are having problems with the AC drain tube. I advise everyone who's been using their AC regularly to pull their sill plate and kick panel and check underneath the carpet, you may have an unpleasant surprise awaiting you.
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DanW
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7/08/2003
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Well, I found the problem on mine ('02 SLT), It is the AC. I took up the carpet and dried everything off. I took a hose and hosed it down for about a half hour, nothing. I turned on the AC and water started pooling on the floor. Since its still under warranty it's going to the dealer on Saturday.
If you need help location the drain tube, follow the transmission dip stick down, the tube is behind the first heat shield you come to. It is about a 3/4 in. black tube.
Another thing I saw was the water that drains form the tube splatters all over the fire wall, on the heat shield, and then drips on the hot exhaust pipe. Being I am an engineer that works a lot with the metal corrosion and heating and cooling, let me tell you this is NOT GOOD. When mine comes back I will be putting a 90 deg. elbow and some more tube so that it drains directly on to the ground. I have a feeling that it draining right behind the heat shield is causing the flooding.
Good luck!
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Mr.Sleepy
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7/08/2003
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LISTEN UP! Passenger floor wetness is caused by problems with your A/C. Yes it can happen in the winter. It will happen whenever your condensor coil is used. The coil kicks on when you use your A/C and/or your Defoggers. So yes it can happen in the winter time, because you defog your windshield during the winter dont you? Anyway this is the second warning sign of a clogged drain hose and you will be burning rotting out your condensor coil very soon if you haven't already. This will also burn out your blower motor after the coil goes bad. All in all, if you don't take it to the dealership now, it will cost you $800.oo later, trust me. Its happened to me twice now. All new model Dakotas extend their 70,000 mile pledge to not only the powertrain, but also the HVAC! This is because they cannot fix the design flaw in the trucks... they can only simply repair it when it goes. Every 3 months I strongly recommend taking your truck to a dealership and complain about musty smells in your A/C or water on the floor. This will force them to clean the drain hose, and clean your coil. Keep this up prior to your warranty running out, because it will ensure they will do it for free after your warranty is long gone.
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DanW
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Who should I contact about extending my warranty on the HVAC, or is that now standard on all the Dakota's?
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Mr.Sleepy
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Extended Warranty for HVAC comes with the 70,000 mile powertrain pledge (please attain necessary documents at signing to ensure this). This was standard on all 2002-03 models. Previous models are for lack of better words, Screwed. You can however bring your 97-01 models in for service and complain about constant mildew smells. The should inspect it, and try to fix it. But keep bringing it back in for the same thing every 3 months or so depending on your AC usage. But make sure to have at least 3 documented visits. They will eat the costs of AC repair after your warranty is up if you complained while it was under warranty. Make sure the service agent lists your complaint on the paperwork and keep it safe. I was lucky enough to score a 100,000 mile along with employee and 3500 cash back, the 7 year warranty also covers the HVAC. And because of my constant complaints, Dodge contacted me and offered a lifetime warranty on my New Dakota's HVAC.
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DanW
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I called customer service and they said the warranty for my '02 HVAC was only the 3 year / 36,000 mile. However they told me that if the problem is not resolved at the appointment on Saturday, to give them a call back and special arrangements WILL be made. Overall they seemed to be genuinely concerned and willing to help. I recommend that if you have this unresolved problem that you call the national customer service at 1-800-992-1997 and have your VIN ready.
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AaronM
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Hey guys figured i would add my 2 cents to this thread as i just got my 2002 dakota back from the dealer for the same water on pass floor board problem. The reason for the water was cause by a leaking HVAC line. That the dealer resealed and retested and so far no more water on the floor. how ever i still notice the truck does not really drip to much after having the a/c on.
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DanW
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Sorry for posting this a little late. When I took my truck to the dealer they put a 90deg. elbow with some extra hose on, and NO MORE WATER ON THE FLOOR. The dealer said they have done this to other dakotas that have come in with the same problem and it has worked on all of them. For any of you guys in Ohio, Falls Dodge did my work and they were excelent.
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DanW
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Sorry for posting this a little late. When I took my truck to the dealer they put a 90deg. elbow with some extra hose on, and NO MORE WATER ON THE FLOOR. The dealer said they have done this to other dakotas that have come in with the same problem and it has worked on all of them. For any of you guys in Ohio, Falls Dodge did my work and they were excelent.
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Ron
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7/25/2003
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What size and kind of elbow is everyone useing? Seems like pvc would melt, being that close to the exhaust manifold.
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DanW
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On my ’02 3.9L CC SLT the dealer had to remove the heat shield in order to install the elbow and extra hose. The hose that was installed on mine was molded with a 90deg. bend in it.
If you do go with the option of the 90 deg elbow and extra hose I recommend you also remove, or at least trim the heat shield around the hose area for this reason: The radiant heat from your exhaust manifold will not be sufficient to cause any damage to the extra hose or truck for that matter, however if the extra hose were to come into contact with the heat shield the hose COULD conduct enough heat to melt. I just like to play it better safe than sorry when it comes to fire. Plus it will make it 100 times easer to install.
As for materials, I would recommend a brass elbow with barbs, 2 hose clamps, and a high temperature low-pressure oil hose (local parts store should have). As for size, I believe its 3/4 inch tube, but you might want to check.
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Ron
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Thanks Dan!
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madmax93
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i have a 97 extra cab that i bought 4 months
ago. i have water on pass side and on
drivers side. ripped out carpet and chaulked
all seams,there were holes in each corner
on the floor/firewall. i stuck a screwdriver
thru the hole,looked under the truck and
there it was.i am not sure where my leak
is yet. i also am having a problem with
the drivers seat slipping.i got it to stay
but cannot move it or it will slip. not to
happy with dodge quality. love the truck but
will buy import next time.thats my experience so far ,i hope i find the leak soon,
because its driving me nuts.
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DanW
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read the whole post, the water is coming form your AC drain. If you extend the drain line, the water will not flow back into the truck. (see my posts above)
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madmax93
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ok dan w., then how do you explain the water
running down the firewall on both the drivers
and pass. side while i was getting a car wash
today. i went to see if it would leak and
its a dodge so it did. i am going to rip
out the firewall padding, hose some water on
get under the dash and look for the frigin
leaks. i think all the owners who are having
this problem should start a lawsuit against
dodge if possible. ( just a thought)
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DanW
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Here is a link I found that might help you. These guys seem to have the same problem you do (wet floor not do to AC) http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/1974.html
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madmax93
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thanks for the info, dan w.
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OJ
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2003 DAK SXT RC 4x4 (3 months old)
Well I just found at least three quarts of water on my pass. side floorboard. I don't know if it is the AC drain or rain water, but I put on the AC drain pipe a copper elbow (with one straight end) using a hose clamp and a 6" copper extension at a 30 degree down angle toward the fender. This fit perfectly, nice and snug even without the hose clamp, and now the water will drain between the frame rail and the catalytic converter. Meanwhile, I have my carpet up and a fan blowing in the truck to dry it out :(
If it smells musty or bad at all I will have the dealer replace the carpeting.
(DanW, I am near Falls Dodge also, so I will try them if I have to)
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MikeC
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I thought I would add my findings to this post, although it has been active for a long time. I just bought a used '98 Dakota SLT 4X4 Ext. cab a couple weeks ago and while I was cleaning it this past weekend, I noticed the passenger side carpet was wet (soaking through and puddling!) I know it was not like this when I bought it, although it could heve been damp without me noticing. I only drive the truck on weekends, as I have a car to commute to work with, so it had not been driven all week, ruling out the AC issue. I started by pulling out the kick panel and rocker panel strip and pulling up the carpet and cleaning up the water. I then ran water over the roof for a few minutes and checked for leaks. There were no leaks up front, but I noticed a trickle of water coming from the back of the cab and running along the groove in the rocker panel. I folded the rear seat up and took the cover off the passenger side storage compartment and saw water puddling in the back corner of the floor and in the compartment. I ended up taking the whole passenger side and rear panel off to find the leak. It was in the rear window seal, about a third of the way up from the bottom corner. I filled the seam inside and out with a high quality rubberized silicone calk, let it dry and ran water over the roof again for a few minutes. No more leak! I put the truck back together and will keep an eye on it, but I'm sure the problem is solved. About two hours worth of work total.
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