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sportdakota
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I have been noticing that not much water has been driping under the truck after running the a/c. I just returned from a 3hr trip and barely any water was driping from under the truck thought that was odd so I decided to pull up the passenger side carpet to take peak since I have read others have exp this problem and YES U GUESSED IT! THE FLOOR BOARD WAS WET!! not alot of water and thank god dodge isnot using that crap carpet backing trash, instead its foam and easily cleans and dries. I crawled under the truck to try and find the drain hose and I can't find the damn thing anyware.... How MANY OTHERS HAVE EXP THIS PROBLEM? ANY TSB'S FOR THIS? IS THE DRAIN JUST CLOGGED? WHATS THE FIX? truck will go into dealer on Monday..... fyi 01 q/c 4.7 auto, 2wd.
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Gentleman
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8/04/2002
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Just got mine back for the very same reason, the dealer said the rear back window was the source of the water not the ac, I still think it is the ac but since I got it back I have been watching the ac drain and discovered the water drains right on the exhaust where the left and right side join and the water tends to evaporate.
I have the 3.9 and the drain is almost impossible to see, it only sticks out about 1/8" and is behind a heat shield,
The service manager told me that they have been bombarded with rear window leaks, and that the rear high mounted brake light is also a good source of leaks.
I still think it;s the ac, time will tell
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sportdakota
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8/04/2002
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gentleman, I don't think your problem to the rear 3rd brake light. first of how oh in the heck would water get to the front passenger floor board but the back carpet be completly dry??... I really think it is a/c drain problem for both of us.. did they even inspect your drain or clean it out just in case. regradless of it hitting the exhaust pipe you should still have a good puddle of water under the truck. With mine I just read someone elses post here and began to notice little or no water and sound of water hitting anything hot then decided to ck under the carpet just in case. so I think i caught it just in time i LET DRY OUT TODAY IN 93 DEGREE FLA SUNSHINE and its fine truck goes to dealer tomorrow so i will post outcome/cause and fix
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Rrrockhound
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8/04/2002
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See the thread "Important! Please Read!" about clogged drain hoses.
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Gentleman
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I had washed my truck and while cleaning the inside I went to vacuum the carpet thats when I found the water on the floor, I placed the vacuum attachment on the floor and it almost disappeared under the water I was so disgusted that I went straight to the dealer without checking further to see what else was wet or the source of the leak, something I now regret, should of tried to find the source before bringing it in, but after reading so much about the ac problem just naturally took it for granted that was the source, as I said time will tell. The weather forecast in South Louisiana is for heavy rains tonight into Tuesday and the Dak will be in the rain if it happens.
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Rusty Russell
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98 Dakota Club Cab: Recently had some heavy rains here and found carpet under passenger floor mat was damp. Wet vacumed until pretty dry, went on a short trip. Checked & wet vacumed about 3/4 gallon of water. A/C not in use but located drain on firewall & inserted long zip tie about 3 inches with no restrictions. Amazed that drain was pointed straight ahead but it was clear for as far as I could insert what I had to work with.
Thought I had flooded drain hole when trapped driving near curb with several inches of water but next morning wet vacumed another 3/4 gal water without having driven the truck. Drove to work and it sat in a light drizzle for several hours with me sitting in it trying to catch the damn thing dripping. About 2 blocks after ehading home, it flooded again.
Dried it out, put dry paper towels in floorboard w/carpet peeled back & selectively poured water until I had water back in the floorboard.
The path is coming down the interior body seam where the firewall and passenger side kick panel are welded to where they intersect with the floorboard and down the door rail to a low spot where most of the water goes to the passenger floorboard with some water flowing down the door rail under the edge of the carpet into the back floorboard.
Have to start removeing pieces under the hood to find the point of entrance but it is not related to a/c or windshield.
Dakota is very clean with no accumulation of any materials under the hood, cowl or any other place, located normal drain routes are as clear as the day manufactured.
Any advice as to how to proceed appreciated.
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David
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Rusty, your message has been ther a while. I am having the same problem - did you ever find an answer? I have followed the same steps as you and have found the same problem.
Did you find an answer?
thanks, David
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ucfdatkoda
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4/03/2003
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Damn i have the same problem now for about a year. I took it in to 3 different body shops and no one could find the leak. It not the ac or the winshield either. Gets flooded when it rains. Can anyone help us out...
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tekmon
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4/03/2003
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Similar problem 98 Dak-SLT CC, water accumulates on the passenger side floor board area.. and kind of a musty smell when you first start the vehicle.
In my case I am certain the drain is not clogged, we use the AC 100% of the time.. When you first start the Dak a large puddle is left on the pavement, while idling you see/hear water dripping.
I went in and silicone'd the crap out of the seal around the drain pipe, the stealer wanted 6 to 8 hours @ $80.00 to replace the $1.94 seal. We also and put a 3/4" 90 degree pvc elbow on the drain so that it would drain downwards.
Some theorys are that the drain proturdes straight out the firewall and when driving the water blows back up the outside of the drain tube and is wicked back through the dried out seal.
I think the actual source of the problem in our case is that Evaporator freezes up after driving for a while, and then after shutting off the Dak it thaws, causing condensation on the AC/Heat air box and somehow the water then drips down the inside of the firewall under the passenger carpet, although I have spent many hours trying to locate the water drippong but no such luck.
My theory is that if we could fix the Evaporator freeze up problem the water problem would go away.
BW has a different opinion, he believes the source of the water problem is from Rain.. Although the first time we discoverd the water we had not had rain in months.., the most recent occasion was just after a heavy rain.
We have heavy duty rubber mats on the floors that cover most of the area below the AC/Heat air box, and there is never any water that drips on them.. the water always collects under the carpet and wicks its way upwards.
The rubber mats cover the carpet, but have to be there to catch the beach sand, but also prevent the water from evaporating and further complicate the problem.
There are many post on this problem, with many different answers, it seems to be a common problem in the Gen III Dakotas.
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The Dod
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4/03/2003
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Guys,when I was a tech I bought a Dakota with the same problem.What we did was took the A-pillar trim,kick panal trim,and sill plate off the passenger side.Next we ran water on that side starting at the lowest point and working up till we seen the leak occuring.What we found was the wind shield was the problem and leaking at the top.The water then would run down the a-pillar,down the kick panal to the carpet.Had the windshield resealed and problem was fixed.
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CoryW
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4/03/2003
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On mine the dealer finally figured out that there was a body seam on the firewall that hadn't been properly sealed at the factory. Looks like they sprayed undercoating on the firewall to seal it up. The dealer did think it was the a/c at first though.
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Texas Todd
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4/03/2003
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It seems to come from a few places.
I've seen posted, a/c, REAR window seal, front window seal, firewall seams, etc.
Keep the good info flowing!
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Rusty Russell
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4/10/2003
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David: Thanks for your response. I have had email problems for several days & just received your response. No. I have not found the answer. I have to park the Dakota nose down a few degrees when it rains to prevent water inside. Engine running makes no difference. .25" rain overnight with it parked level or nose up produces water in floorboard so take all that a/c condensate stuff and apply it to an a/c condensate problem. I can duplicate problem by pouring water out of a spout below the windshield but have not found the ingress point through the firewall. Appears to be several inches over some part of trans tunnel. I can feel the dampness undearneath the floor pan pad on the firewall but can not pinpont without r&r'ing the dash.
New job, honeydo's & a lot of rain have prohibited major disassembly time in driveway.
Body seam, or firewall gromet most likely source.
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airmojo
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4/10/2003
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I had a similar problem with my previous Dakota, a 1996 Club Cab. Water would appear SOMETIMES when it rained, but not all the time. I don't think it had anything to do with the AC, but I thought maybe something to do with the front defroster since it uses the AC.
The water would dry up quickly off the rubber floor mat, so I never bothered to try and get it fixed, because dealers can't seem to ever fix intermittant problems.
I hope my 2003 Dakota doesn't do it too !
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david
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4/10/2003
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I have blocked off the top passenger side air vent behind the hood, and it helped a little. I have checked the seal on the firewall and mine is ok.
I got so D#(##(# (@(@ )@) frustrated that I unbolted the seats and took out the one-piece carpet and mat set. It's dried now and I have a truck with just floor mats. I noticed that most of the leaking seems to come in from the back not the front. I will test this to make sure.....
It is much easier to test with the carpet removed!
Let's keep in touch and figure this one out.
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David
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4/17/2003
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Here's what I've found out so far. I removed the carpeting from my 95 Dakota king cab sport and have let it dry out. I'm not putting it back in until I figure out the leak. If I can't find it, I'll paint the floor with truck bed paint and sell it as a premium feature.
OK, here's how I tested: I ran water down the gaps between the door and frame, from the top of the fender and along the front and back side of the door. No leaks there.
Then I gently ran water over the roof and onto the gap between the door and body on the top edge of the weatherstripping. Mine has an extra layer of rubber there but it's not helping. Leaks a lot!
My leak shows up on the passenger floorboard (I'm testing on this side) a few inches back from the front edge of the door - if you pull up the carpet, there is a wrinkle in the ridge of metal that the weatherstripping is pushed down onto. My leak is a small trickle of water there that then runs into the floorboard.
I pulled off the weather stripping and it was wet inside a little - so I think that water is running along the edge or inside the weatherstripping down to the point on the floor, where it goes to the floor.
I am going to check the weatherstripping on the top edge of the door frame, and will probably also get a caulking tube of silicone adhesive and glue / seal the weatherstripping securely and completely to the metal that supports it. This will seal any internal channels where water may run.
Then I'll search for the next leak... if there is one.
David
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Rusty Russell
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4/20/2003
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When I stripped out both seats, center console, all carpet and passenger side kick panel, I never found point of ingress but when I ran my hand up under the inside firewall insulation, it was wet from the middle of the passenger side footwell to the middle of the transmision tunnel after I poured water from a jug, below the bottom of the windshield and over the top of the firewall. Started to remove the vent/drip shield to check and was not ready to deal with the plastic fastners. Only other option is R&R dash
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david
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4/20/2003
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Rusty, I had that as well, here's how I resolved it.
I took the top rubber piece that sits under the cowling (thing with slots in it by windshield wipers). I cut it in half, took the solid piece and siliconed it down and put in screws to hold over that opening. It helps but is not the total answer.
On my kids '92 Dak I noticed a difference....
Looking under the hood, in front of passenger headlight, notice where the firewall turns from the front to the side, where the drain is for the cowling and air intake for inside air.
My kids Dak had a hole about 1/2" in the aluminum on the SIDE flap (not the cowling itself). This lets it drain if the bottom slot gets plugged up with leaves.
I can send a picture if it will help....
David
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David
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4/20/2003
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OK - here is something to check on your truck if it gets water on the floorboards when parked in the rain.
Open your door and check the weatherstripping AT THE TOP. On my '95 there are two pieces of weatherstripping - a top piece that runs along the roof and windshield edge of the door frame.
On mine, this was kind of loose and not sealing well. However, keep looking.
The weatherstripping that is under this piece pushes onto a crimped metal ridge along the door frame of the truck. Check this weatherstripping along the top edge to see if it is loose at all, if you can move it.
I found that both the strip and the piece that goes over the crimped metal strip were loose. I got a caulking tube of silicone seal and pulled down the loose weatherstripping (crimped metal piece) and squirted it with silicone, then I pushed it back in place. I took the top piece off (the strip), siliconed the place where it attaches including the groove in the rubber and then put it together.
I had already partially disassembled my passenger side (kick panel, front trim panels) but you don't have to do that much to seal this.
I then ran a thin bead along the edge where the weatherstrip (crimped metal) meets the painted edge of the body. I emphasize a small bead, and ran it along as much of the edge as I could easily reach.
I'll water it tomorrow and let you know if it works!
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David
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4/22/2003
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I have tested this fix two times with the garden hose and no leaks! I'm waiting for a major rainstorm before putting the carpet back in the truck.
This is such a simple fix, only costs about $5 to do, and you do not have to disassemble your truck as I did....
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Rusty Russell
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4/22/2003
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Will check all the suggestions this weekend but I can produce water in the floorboard by slowly pouring water into and around the cowling and firewall. I can use a pressure washer on the windshield and doors without water inside so long as I have at least 10-15 degrees nose down on the truck. All drain passages are clear, as in can see through them or have run weighted string, coat hangers, etc through the drain passages with no obstruction.
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David
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4/23/2003
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Rusty - see the message of 4/20 about drilling a hole in the drain part on the passenger side of the cowling - email me directly and I can send you a picture dsbulkmail@yahoo.com
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tek
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4/23/2003
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would like to see the picture , sent an email. i looked back but missed the post bout drillin a hole.
Similar problem, 98 dak cc wet carpet passenger side, can't find source.
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Rusty Russell
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FOUND MY LEAK! Body seams. Strip passenger side seat, kick panel, carpet, peel firewall & kick panel liner back, place a straight edge along the bottom edge of the onboard computer and where the straight edge intersects the caulked body seam of the firewall & kick panel, move up about an inch and there was a 3/4" hole where Dodge caulked the firewall but did not extend the caulk to cover the joint. Pour water from a jug into the area where the hood hinge recesses and watch the water pour through that hole, run down the seam and along the edge of the door to a low spot and then run down into the passenger side foot area, all beneath the carpet. Water from the drip tray would also pass over the places I found inside the wheel well so spraying water on the windshield would cause water to flow over the ingress points and flow into the cab from the same place.
Remove the fender inner liner from the wheel well and check the welded & caulked seam where the firewall is welded and found to holes in the caulking applied to that seam, cover both holes, pour water & no water inside. Re-caulked with 3M 2 part body caulk and no more leaks could be induced by pouring or with a water hose. Put that sucker back together and man does it look better.
Ingress points were not accessible without removing whell well inner liner & came from the factory, egress point required stripping to the bare metal and loosing a little blood on some sharp projections and also shipped from the factory that way.
The first heavy rain will be interesting. Yes, I will be taking out the floor mat and feeling for damp. Hope this helps someone.
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Gene
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5/24/2003
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Man o man. I thought I was going insane. Within the first week(06/02)of owning my Dakota I had "dampness" on the passenger side floor board. Took it to my local 5 Star "We can't duplicate that" dealer here in Cola. SC. and they said they couldn't find a problem. Since then I have taken at least 3 to 4 gallons of accumulated water out. I see now that I am not alone in having this problem. And some of these ideas seem pretty good but I am not looking forward to trying to apply a fix, when it comes to vehicle repairs I am dumber than a box of rocks, but I will try them with the help of a friend. Many thanks to those of you who have worked many hours to try and resolve this and then taken the time to share your knowledge/experience.
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david
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5/24/2003
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Gene - here are two simple things to try, for a toal cost of about $5. It's the results of many hours of research - you can do this in about 15 minutes.
Here goes:
Buy a tube of "GOOP" plumber sealer at your hardware store.
Open both doors and remove the top strip of weatherstripping on the frame (if yours has this). Mine are '92 and '95 and have a secondary strip above the door weatherstripping.
Run a bead of GOOP on the backside of the rubber piece, right over the split where it fits on the truck. Put it back in place and press it firmly to seat it.
Take some GOOP (a small amount) and put it on the rear window seal where the two little grooves run along the roof - from front to back. Mine has 2 on each side of the truck about 1/2" apart, about 1/8" deep. Put a little GOOP where these grooves go under the rear window rubber gasket. Press it in firmly to make sure it is filled, then wipe off excess.
This should resolve most / all of the leaks.
Enjoy!
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Rcranium
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6/25/2003
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I'm really starting to think I made a big mistake in buying a Dodge. I have a 03 CC that was purchased new last month. As I was leaving the dealership, the check engine light came on. The dealership had to replace the computer. Now, a month and a half later, I have a soaking wet passenger floorboard. Back to the dealership next week for more repairs (I hope). This is crazy. I guess I'll have to go back to buying Toyotas and Nissans.
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Lurkin
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For all of you that have the newer model Daks (2001-2003) I would advise you to check underneath the passenger side carpet whether you think it's leaking or not. Unless you feel under the carpet, you will not notice it due to the rubber between the backing and the carpet. I didn't notice mine until I was re-wiring my stereo. It took _several_ trips to the dealer to get the problem found and fixed.
The fix for my 2002 QC was that the firewall insulation around the AC drain tube was bunched up around the tube causing it to kink and subsequently leak. I'd had my truck for 16 months without noticing the leak.
I also know someone with a 2001 QC that found the water on the floorboard after having his Dak for over 2 years. Note that the fix for his truck was the same as mine.
So get your hand in there and do some fingering...
Also note that the leak is around the AC drain tube so if you don't run the AC much or at all then you may not notice the water until you do.
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dakotcraig
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6/29/2003
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So. It seems that more people that just me have discovered the water on the passenger floorboard leaks. It also seems that much research shows that it could be: 1) a bunched-up gasket around A/C drain house at point of exit through firewall; 2) leaks around top door seals; 3) leaks around rear window seals; 4) leaks somewhere around firewall/body. Anything else I should try for my 2002 Dakota? Is my dealer just going to laugh at me and tell me he has no idea where the water is coming from? If this is a problem on so many Daks, how can the dealers not know about it?????????? Pretty friggin frustrating. I am shoping vacn gallons of water out of my truck!!
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Izzy
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Well, I had passenger floorboard water from both the AC drain hose and the firewall sealing. I eliminated the AC drain tube problem when I replaced my Evapoator core. After seeing water still accumulating in my floorboard, I pulled the carpet. After several minutes of water hosng the front and roof of my truck, I discovered water running in via the kick panel in the passenger side. Pulled the panel and had a stream of water coming in a small hole in the siding. After digging in there with a scvrewdriver tearing up the black filler insulation Dodge has in there, I noticed the water starting to drain out through the body seams on the outside of the truck.
When I first pulled the carpet, I also notice the drivers floor was a bit damp but never had I seen standing water in it like I did the passenger side. So after a few more minutes of water on both side of the truck and along the windshield, I noticed water coming in from along the insulation that runs from side to side on the front of the floorboards on both sides. Apparently its coming in along a firewall seam somewhere. Wish I had known this when changing the evaporator core.
Now after reading Rusty Russle's posting of his problem, I have a better idea of what to do now to fix this "new" old problem.
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