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Sean
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I have a 99 Dodge Durango with a 360 and 55k miles. My Tranny has been leaking so I took it into Aamco. Well, its leaking from the rear seal of the tranny where it meets the trans case. The tranny shifts funny as well and they haven't even determined the problem yet (cha-ching!). Oh yeah, the yoke coming out of the trans case is cracked so its leaking there too. And by the way the differentials are starting to leak. I am the original owner, its never been off road and its falling apart. And I went to the shop to see the leaks.
Is mine just a lemon? Any way, I'll never buy another Dodge as long as I live. If you can't tell I'm pissed right now. This sucker is going to cost me about a grand.
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dweishaar
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3/02/2003
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hate to break it to you but you should replace all major fluids and seals in your vehicle between 40-50k miles. sounds like your seals are going out, and if your tranny was leaking, you might not have had a proper amount of fluid in the system. but then again its a lot easier to blame the manufacturer than yourself, isn't it?
The Baja Dak
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NDakota
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whoa...baja dak, stickin' it to him.
I'd have to agree though, most of the time these things are a result of maintenance and driving habits (even if not off road) and a say most of the time.
I've known people that go from reverse to drive while they're still moving backwards every day, and they don't warm up the car for 20 seconds before putting it in gear in the first place, and they complain about the same thing...they're not 'driving-hard', but they are ignorant of the effects their poor habits have when it comes repeating them 10000 times.
I see people doing things to their vehicles every day that add up to major repairs, and then they're the most vocal about bad-mouthing the manufacturer.
Just my .02...find out the cause of the problems...correct the cause.
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The Dude
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I agree, not letting your car warm up for about a minute each day is a good way to ensure the shortest life possible out of an engine.
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Aaron_348
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Uncommon sence they call it,i think?Although,there is still that ?% of autos that come through the factory less then what they should be.Not only Dodge,but every other car company.With that said,even a "lemon" that is maintained and driven properly may never have a problem and vice versa.
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1Flamed92Dak
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3/02/2003
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This is what i do for a living is fix peoples vehicles that most of them neglect. Usually when a service tech recommends something it not because we want your money its your vehicle that's got the problem. Most people don't even have a clue what preventive maintenance is. I.E OHH just change the oil.Just add oil. I understand that times are tough but if you cant afford to maintain a vehicle then maybe you should not own that specific vehicle. I'll tell you this much if my Dakota has a problem no matter how small I TAKE CARE OF IT because that hunk of metal takes my Butt to work and also my children are in it . So quit your snivelling about it might cost you a 1000 dollars and just fix the problem you got to remember that all AUTOMOBILES are MACHINES and they are prone to Malfunction.I used to sell Cars also and I found out the person who paid the least for their car also BITCHES the Most.
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dohh
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anybody that goes to Aamco transmissions deserve what they get.
nuff said
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Sean
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I love that everyone assumes that I have neglected my Durango. All I did was come to this board to vent and see if anyone else has had this same problem and I get attacked by you Dodge loving Jackals! Is that not what this board is for? To ask questions, advice, and if needed vent!
If you want my maintenance history with my vehicle then here it is.
-Oil change every 3,000
-Front and rear diffs at 30,000
-Tranny flush at 30,000
-Trans case at 30,000
-Power steering flush at 50,000
-Radiator around 40,000
-Wax 3 to 4 times a year
-Tire rotation every 5,000 miles.
-I go through my freaking engine w/ a toothbrush every 3 months.
So as you can see I try and keep up on the maintanence of my rig. My Durango is cherry and looks brand new. The whole reason I took it in is I am so retentive about my vehicles I cant handle the slightest leak! So lets just drop this "I neglect my dodge business." So when I take the greatest of care for my rig and the thing is springing leaks, I'm sure as hell not going to blame myself. And 1flamedak, yes when I have to drop a grand into something and its not giving it more horsepower I'm sniveling.
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texaslawdawg
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3/02/2003
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Its Dodge man, they are poorly built with cheap parts and low quality assurance, as with ALL american made vehicles. I bought a 2002 R/T and within the first 1500 miles it went back to the shop 4 times with differnt problems. I was furious and thought I would qualify for a "lemon", but no luck, thats only if you have the same problem over and over. The sad part was the Dodge maintenance guy said that my situation was not uncommon and they have buyers bring new vehicles back for repairs as many as 6 or 8 times in the first 2,000 miles...his words were "to get the bugs out". Thats ridiculous (sp) that they actually admit that their product sucks. When you pay 20K for a compact truck, it should be flawless.
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snoop
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3/02/2003
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Tell me about it 1647 miles in twice for valves once for leaks American public seems to be The QA department for all American car manufacture'rs I'm trading my dakota for a Subaru!!
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kevster
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I own 2 Daks, a 2k and a 2002 4x4 quad cab, both have the 4.7 motor, the 2k has 40,000 miles, never a problem, other than I just did upper and lwr ball joints, no biggs. and the 02 has 18,500 no probs. I love my trucks... Some vehicles just have more problems than others.Just pay to get it fixed or sell it or trade it in on another vehicle if you are unhappy.
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Lemmers
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texaslawdawg hit the nail on the head, Piss
poor quality! I went through the same kind of
_hit with a '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited.
Once I hit 60K, parts started to fail like:
*Rear Main Engine seal
*Valve cover gaskets
*Water pump
*Transfercase front seal
*Inner Front axle seal
*Lower transfer yoke seal
It just kept getting better as I closed in on
100K
*AC compressor
*AC evaporator
*Radiator
*Rear window power motor
*CD player
You couldn't pay me enough to drive ANY
Chrysler 4X4 (at least any newer that 1980).
It's the reason I ordered my Quad in 2wd with
a 5 speed. I hope to minimize my chance of
problems.
Oh, BTW, I performed ALL scheduled
maintenance on my Grand Cherokee and
fixed all the problems listed above, save for
the AC evaporator.(That was the $1500 straw
that broke the camel's back)
Later,
Lemmers
02QuadSport+, 4.7 5spd, 3.55lsd, dropped,
tinted, destickered, RT wheels, Access Cover
88 LX 5.0 12.7@107 Wheeeeeeeeeee
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Fakir
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You think Dodge is the only make that has problems? All makes do. And 90% of all 4x4 problems are caused by people who don't even read the owners manual who jump in and drive and as soon as a rain drop hits the road they yank the stick and wonder why their tcase or tranny leaks down the road.
I'm not saying you're one of those stupid jerks but really, if you had probs with your Jeep and you bought a Durango and now it's fukked ask yourself, what is the common denomenator? hint: it's you.
Taking your truck to Aamco is a stupid andexpensive thing to do. They've prfected the art of wallet rape. I'm sure they'll tell you you need the whole transmission rebuilt and a new transfer case and new axles. That's what they do. They don't repair they replace.
So don't ever buy a Dodges again you snivelling troll. I've been in Dodges and Jeeps for 20 years and I've never had any of the problems you have but then again I'm not a pedal mashing "take it to Aamco" moron.
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texaslawdawg
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Im probably out of line here, because the original post is concerned with problems at high milage. My gripe is BRAND NEW American made vehicles, especially Dodge, are cheap made but cost a fortune. I love America and everything it stands for and I am by no means a communist bastard, but the foreign made vehicles make our stuff look like toys. Why cant we get high quality vehicles, they guys on the assembly line make $30 bucks an hour here and the Japanese probably make pennies on the dollar but continue to produce high quality products.....WHY ??
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Steve
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I drive every truck going right now with my work,I am on the road 3 weeks at a time and every where my work flies me I seem to get a different brand of rental,ford ,chev,dodge,toyota.They all get the baggin the sh-- out of them test for 3 weeks(got to love rentals)and quite honestly for the money for a truck now a days they are all junk!!It's very sad but true.Just for the record I love my 01 and 03 r/t to no end and would never sell.
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Sean
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Hey Fakir you dumb retard! Who ever said I had a jeep? And in defense of Aamco they are without a doubt the most technology inclined trans shop in southern cal. A must for a computer controlled transmission. Read before you open your hole! And I think the moron comment fits you well.
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DodgeDawg
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First of all FAKIR is a freaking idiot. Try reading the posts sometime guy. I am die hard Dodge to the bone, I've had them all my life. The fact is they don't make them like they used too. Sean, my wife drives our 2000 Durango with 48k miles and our trans has just started leaking about a week ago. So your not the only one. My neighbor had the same problem with his 98 Durango. Funny, I guess none of know how to drive according to some people on this board. And did I mention Fakir is the true MORON here?
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smartazz
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u guys ahould all go out & get penis enlargement surgery
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Rodney King
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Why can't we all just get along ??
Rodney K.
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Texas Todd
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This is the first post I read here this morning. Pretty funny, had to read every one!
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vern
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i,m not here to say yea or nay.but to say all
autos have had their problems.GM trans 700r,2.8 motors[cranks and intake leaks]FORD trans A4LD,s,
i,ve lost count on recalls.TOYOTA poor interior, rust[if you live where they use salt on roads-all jap.autos including volvo,saab,audi etc.] there just exspensive to fix.
as workers we all want more money for the work we do[good or bad] this all adds to the bottom line.someone is going to pay.we want plusher,better riding, tv,cd players,lap tops etc.
our grandfathers cars use to be worn-in out at 50-75,000 miles.now 150-200,000 is common.and we want this for $25-35 grand.i just don,t see a problem here JAG,BMW,PORSHE,CADI,LINCOLN etc can do it for $50-100 grand why can,t the rest.
sorry for unloading on everyone i,m just thinking out loud.have a good day.
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sandman
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Well, I have to admit that American Name Brands have many more quality issues. It is not a design problem so much as a material selction and heat treat issue with most parts. They start out with a good design and then let marketing and bean couter's preety much destroy the vechiles long turm durability buy constantly useing cheaper and cheaper material and skiping heat treating etc..... All of the ruber seals and orings on my Toyota other then the injector o ring and feal sender o-ring are as soft and pliable today as they were 17 years ago. I jus thad to change my porpotioning valve on the truck and the rubber boot on it was soft and supple with no hardening or cracks at all! I was amazed! My rear main just started leaking this year. It is all OEM and it has been in my family for the entire 17 years so I know it's history. Their is nothing hightech about my old Toyota. All Toyota did was use proven designs and material and then stuck to statical quality control procedures. When you give the engineers the final say you usualy get a much better product then when marketing or accounting has the final say. My 2001 Dak QC has 22,000 miles and it has rattle and squeaks now. My Toyota had 80,000 before it had a single rattle or squeak. P.S. The post about needing to change your seal at 40,000-50,000 is a big load of B.S. The seals should be good for the life of the vechile! I was ASE certified Tech. for 12 years trained and aprenticed with BMW in Germany.
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sandman
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Well, I have to admit that American Name Brands have many more quality issues. It is not a design problem so much as a material selction and heat treat issue with most parts. They start out with a good design and then let marketing and bean couter's preety much destroy the vechiles long turm durability buy constantly useing cheaper and cheaper material and skiping heat treating etc..... All of the ruber seals and orings on my Toyota other then the injector o ring and feal sender o-ring are as soft and pliable today as they were 17 years ago. I jus thad to change my porpotioning valve on the truck and the rubber boot on it was soft and supple with no hardening or cracks at all! I was amazed! My rear main just started leaking this year. It is all OEM and it has been in my family for the entire 17 years so I know it's history. Their is nothing hightech about my old Toyota. All Toyota did was use proven designs and material and then stuck to statical quality control procedures. When you give the engineers the final say you usualy get a much better product then when marketing or accounting has the final say. My 2001 Dak QC has 22,000 miles and it has rattle and squeaks now. My Toyota had 80,000 before it had a single rattle or squeak. P.S. The post about needing to change your seal at 40,000-50,000 is a big load of B.S. The seals should be good for the life of the vechile! I was ASE certified Tech. for 12 years trained and aprenticed with BMW in Germany.
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Uncle Sam
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2002 QC 4X4: 15000 miles; no problems no leaks. Never been back to the dealer. Probably wouldn't go back to that dealer even if...
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2nddak
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well my.02 i had a 76 dodge magnum that i junked cause of rust it had original engine and trans had 512k when i junked it. wife talked me into a 92 toy camery (in 92) trans lasted 68k Yea right AMERICAN CARS R JUNK (NOT) have a nice day
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Jasper
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Oh yeah! Well I have a 76 Ramcharger I bought brand new in 1977. The girl has 872,000 miles now, I've never put any fuel in it, never changed the oil, It has the original tires, never flushed the wiper fluid resevoir, original wiper blades to boot! 0-60 in 4.7 sec, never changed the air freshner, or washed it! This thing purrs like a kitten. And you people say AMERICAN CARS R JUNK (NOT) have a nice day.
Or maybe it's because I put one of them there tornados in it?
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Neil
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Well Sean, my 99 Durango has been a rolling EPA hazard.
- Engine oil leaks. Original dealer misdiagnosis of oil leak and not doing repairs as listed on subsiquent visits cost Chrysler a new short block at 16k mi when I filed for a lemon.
- Trans pan has leaked 3 times.
- Transfer case seal has leaked twice.
- Leak between transfer case and tranny like yours was just fixed. I turned out not to be the seal that was the cause for the leak. The bearing on the shaft behind the seal was bad causing the seal not to leak.
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Aaron_348
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My father had an 85 caravan.Aside from regular maitenance it didn't have a problem.At 120,000 miles it needed a radiator(The plastic to aluminum seal went,not a suprise).Soon after that a CV joint(again,enyone that has had a front drive car knows this common prob).At near 160,000 it needed a head gasket(cast iron to aluminum,you should have bet this would happen).At about 230,000,the motor was so tired it was unbareable.All problems that can be expected,but concider it was a 2.2 pulling a near 2 ton van.Add the fact that it was built in the "dark days" of american autos.Not a bad record at all.
My dad just happens to be an ex-mopar dealer mechanic.Lucky him used to work on all the cars we wish we had.Cuda's,roadrunners,ect.He told me probably 90% of the problems he ever saw where caused by the owner.One of the biggest problems they delt with was that people didn't recognize the problems soon enough and have it fixed.He'll also tell you the people that did see problems quickly,rarely brought that car back after it was fixed.
I myself owned a 98 ram.I had a trany problem with the truck.The overdrive would jerk when crusing at 45 to 50 mph.I had to drive the truck out of o.d. at these speeds.i traded the truck in while it was still worth a few bucks.I told the dealer of the problem and the service manager knew on the spot what it was and said it was a cheap fix.I had planned to trade the truck before the problem showed up,but believing it would be expencive I didn't fix the problem right away.The service manager told me that if I had kept running like that I would have tore up my trany and rear end.Now,who's to blame if that had happened?
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CThomp
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3/04/2003
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The problem with not only American cars having problems but all cars is the amount of extra Junk people request on theirs vehicles. The power locks, power windows, etc. This leads to so much extra stuff going into the vehicles production that it becomes easier and easier for important things like the actual mechanical functioning of the vehicle to easily be over looked.
When I ordered my Dak I got no extra stuff on my dak. The fanciest option I got was A/C. Why? Cause all that other stuff breaks. Look at the Lincoln Navigator. Those things have so much extra electronic crap on them that many will probably be useless once they hit the 60K mark. Even car reviewers said so (I don't remeber which ones so don't get all upset).
So maybe the problem with the American car is the American driver. Next time you go to buy a vehicle question yourself on what you really need out of the vehicle. Do you really need everypower option available? No wonder us Americans are gettin so fat...we have to have everything controlled for us. Ever heard the K.I.S.S. acronym before? Keep It Simple Stupid!
just my .02
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Lemmers
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The service manager told me that if I had kept
running like that I would have tore up my trany
and rear end.Now,who's to blame if that had
happened?
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Uhhhhh, how about Chrysler for installing a
junk transmission?
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Aaron_348
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Actually lemmers,I let my cousin and a friend drive the truck.I put dual exaust on it.I constently had to tell the both of them to leave the overdrive button alone.They kept messing with it so they could hear the exaust.All you have to do is hit the gas and it will shift out automaticly.One day while going through an under pass one on them mashed the gas and then hit the o.d. button.After that it started,I forgot to mention that fact.Hitting that button at high speeds is not the fault to the truck.I blame myself for letting them drive it.Nether one has or will touch my 2003 hemi ram.I'm glad I learned my lesson with my 98,unfortunitly.
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