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Brandon Derks
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5/20/2002
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I have a 2000 4.7 with a 5 speed. At about 37,000 miles (yes, right after warranty expired), my transmission started grinding from 1st to 2nd. This can be avoided if I let the rpms settle to about 1000, but it's a pain. I took it into Dodge today, they say it needs a complete overhaul. Cost - $1300. Anyone else have this problem? I love this truck, but I think it's ridiculous to have the tranny go out after only 37k.
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Dan
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5/20/2002
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yeah i have the problem too, but it started at 75000 miles. its also a '98 with the 3.9L. does yours go away after like 5 or so miles like mine does? i think its the syncros or something.
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Brandon Derks
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Nope, stays constant.
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Torque
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Same issue hear since about 3000 miles on the odo. Only does it for like the first 3 or 4 miles. Especially grinds on cold mornings. If i let the idle drop to like 1500, it kind "bobble" into 2nd with a grind. Friggin' dealer can't recreate it. I've even left it there overnight so they could drive it first thing in the morning. I have a little over a year left on the warranty and am starting to get nervous.
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Torque
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opps, forgot to mention i have an 01 4.7L 4x4
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born2steel21
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5/29/2002
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mine does the same going into reverse and on cold mornings...I'm bringing it in tomorrow to get checked out so I'll post how things go
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Garth
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M/T - Incomplete Engagement of 1ST/2ND Gear
NUMBER: 21-005-01
GROUP: Transmission
DATE: Mar. 02, 2001
SUBJECT:
Partial Engagement Of First And/Or Second Gear
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves replacement of the shift shaft lever to allow the addition of a new detent spring and plunger.
MODELS:
1999 - 2000 (AN) Dakota
1999 - 2000 (BR/BE) Ram Truck
2000 (TJ) Wrangler
2000 (XJ) Cherokee
NOTE: THIS BULLETIN APPLIES TO WRANGLER OR CHEROKEE VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH A NV3550 MANUAL TRANSMISSION, AND TO DAKOTA OR RAM TRUCK VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH A NV3500 MANUAL TRANSMISSION THAT WERE BUILT ON OR BETWEEN NOVEMBER 20, 1999 (MDH112OXX) AND MAY 17, 2000 (MDHO517XX).
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
The customer may complain that first or second gear may not stay fully engaged. This condition may often occur once the gear has been selected and as the clutch is initially released. This condition may be intermittent in its occurrence.
DIAGNOSIS:
1. Verify that full motion of the shift lever is allowed by the gear shift lever boot, the inner gear shift boot, and the console. The boots or console may be out of place and/or position.
2. If full motion of the transmission shift lever has been verified, and the customer has complained of the above condition, then perform the Repair Procedure.
NOTE: SEVERAL ITEMS MAY CAUSE A SIMILAR CONDITION, BUT REQUIRE TRANSMISSION DISASSEMBLY TO DIAGNOSE. THE TECHNICIAN SHOULD INSPECT THE DISASSEMBLED TRANSMISSION FOR BROKEN TOOTH POINTS, A BENT OR FRACTURED SHIFT FORK, OR FOR PARTS WHICH HAVE FAILED DUE LACK OF LUBRICATION. THE REPAIR PROCEDURE FOR THIS TSB INVOLVES ONLY THE REPLACEMENT OF THE SHIFT SHAFT LEVER AND THE INSTALLATION OF THE DETENT SPRING AND PLUNGER.
PARTS REQUIRED:
EQUIPMENT REQUIRED:
REPAIR PROCEDURE:
1. Using the appropriate year Service Manual, Group 21 Transmissions, remove and disassemble the transmission to the point where the front transmission housing has been removed.
2. Remove the old shift shaft lever.
3. Install the revised shift shaft lever p/n 05072248AA.
4. Verity that the notches in the shift fork arms are aligned.
5. Rotate the shift shaft lever and bushing downward (out of the fork arms), to expose the detent bore in the new shift shaft lever (Fig. 1).
6. Lubricate the detent spring, detent plunger, and detent bore with transmission fluid, p/n 04874464.
7. Install the detent spring, p/n 04741137, into the shift shaft lever detent bore.
8. Install the detent plunger, p/n 05013348AA, on top of the detent spring and compress both parts into the bore (Fig. 2).
9. Press and hold the detent plunger in the lever bore. Then carefully rotate the lever upward into the shift fork arm notches. Be sure the detent plunger is seated in the fork arms before proceeding.
10. Following the Service Manual instructions, complete the assembly of the transmission and install the transmission in the vehicle.
11. Verify the correct transmission fluid level.
POLICY:
Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.
TIME ALLOWANCE:
FAILURE CODE:
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Garth
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5/29/2002
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I just had this done on my 2000 QuadCab V6 5 Speed. It solved the problem. See next post as well.
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Garth
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M/T - High Shift Effort
NUMBER: 21-003-01 REV A
GROUP: Transmission
DATE: Mar. 02, 2001
THIS BULLETIN SUPERCEDES TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN 21-003-01, DATED FEB. 02, 2001, WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FILES. ALL REVISIONS ARE HIGHLIGHTED WITH **ASTERISKS**. THIS REVISION INCLUDES A NEW PART NUMBER.
SUBJECT:
High Shift Effort When Shifting Out Of A Gear
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves the replacement and lubrication of the five speed manual transmission shift shaft detent plunger.
MODELS:
2000 AN Dakota
2000 BR/BE Ram Truck
2000 TJ Wrangler
2000 XJ Cherokee
NOTE: THIS BULLETIN APPLIES TO VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH A NV3500 (DDC) OR NV3550 (DDD) FIVE SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION.
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
The customer may experience higher shift efforts when shifting out of a gear. This condition may be more common when either a second-to-third upshift or when a fifth-to-fourth downshift is attempted. Other upshift or downshift patterns may exhibit higher shift efforts when coming out of the original gear. In most cases, these other shift patterns will be less common in occurrence.
DIAGNOSIS/REPAIR PROCEDURES:
If the customer experiences the above condition, then perform the Repair Procedure.
PARTS REQUIRED:
NOTE: THE LUBRICATING GREASE MUST CONTAIN MOLYBDENUM DISULFIDE AND HAVE AN OPERATING TEMPERATURE RANGE OF AT LEAST -40°F TO +350°F.
NOTE: THERE IS SUFFICIENT QUANTITY OF GREASE IN EACH TUBE OR TUB OF LUBRICANT TO EFFECT SEVERAL REPAIRS.
EQUIPMENT REQUIRED:
REPAIR PROCEDURE:
1. Obtain access to the shift shaft detent plug on a Dakota or Ram Truck from under the vehicle. Raise and support the vehicle. The detent plug is located on the driver side of the transmission and in the recessed area above the clutch slave cylinder.
2. Obtain access to the shift shaft detent plug on a Cherokee or Wrangler from inside the vehicle. Remove the gear shift knob, the gear shift lever boot and bezel, the center console, the inner gear shift boot, and the floor pan cover. The detent plug is located on top of the transmission and immediately to the rear of shift tower.
3. Using the procedures outlined in the appropriate service manual, remove the shift shaft detent plug, spring, and plunger.
NOTE: ON CHEROKEE AND WRANGLER VEHICLES, THERE MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENT ACCESS TO THE SHIFT SHAFT DETENT PLUG TO USE SPECIAL TOOL 8117A. THE TECHNICIAN SHOULD CAREFULLY PRY OFF THE DETENT PLUG. PRY UP EVENLY AROUND THE TOP LIP OF DETENT PLUG.
4. Liberally lubricate the inside and outside of the new shift shaft detent plunger, p/n 05016233AA.
5. Install the new plunger and the original spring into the transmission detent bore.
6. Install the new detent plug, p/n 04741128. Make sure the detent plug is fully seated to the transmission housing.
7. On Cherokee or Wrangler vehicles, install the floor pan cover, the inner gear shift boot, the center console, the gear shift lever boot and bezel, and the gear shift knob.
POLICY:
Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.
TIME ALLOWANCE:
FAILURE CODE:
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Torque
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5/29/2002
22:22:06
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niether of those sound like my issue. shift effort isn't very great, it just "bobbles" or grinds from 1st to 2nd. But thanks just the same for the info. BTW, where do you find this detailed info on the TSBs?
Just found out today that the dealership going to rebuild my transfer case to get rid of the clicking noise between about 10 and 20 mph. I doubt that would cause the grinding from 1st to 2nd, but I think I'm going to see if they can't just replace or rebuild the tranny while they are already halfway there. The grinding has been documented a few times with nothing done about it, I think it's time.
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Garth
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You can find the TSB's on alldata.com website. You have to pay, but so far it has been worth it.
2000 QuadCab 4x4 V6 3.9L 5 Speed
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Jennie
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I have a 2000 5-speed, purchased new, and have had trouble (from 1 month after purchase) with it grinding from 1st to 2nd, with it 'sticking' when I shift, and with it producing a faint whining noise from the engine. (The dealer's mechanics told me I was wearing the wrong shoes when driving it. It was later confirmed by Dodge that neither the size, nor shape nor color of my shoes actually affects the performance of their 5-speed transmission.) Another dealership (Chrysler) replaced the transmission, but that did not solve the grinding or the 'sticking' and the whining noise has continued to worsen.
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Brandon Derks
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8/26/2002
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I solved my problem - sold the dakota and bought a land cruiser. Runs perfect, and came with a 100k warranty. No more Dodges for me.
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Todd Bouton
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9/25/2002
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I have the same problem, but it with the 3rd gear, not 2nd. Grinds alot, especially when trying to shift fast, it's not normal, it shjouldn't grind, yes, I DO know how to shift!
Hey GARTH, OR ANYONE, is there a TSB for this?
01 4.7 QC 5spd
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Torque
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What axle ratio are you guys running that have the grinding problem. I have the 3.92 If I shift sooner, like only rev up to 2K RPM in 1st, then shift to second, it doesn't grind. If I rev past 3K RPM in 1st it doesn't grind. But between 2K and 3K, it does (which I think is the normal shift times). Lately, it feels like it is going to grind from 2nd to 3rd.
I think this is a clutch issue. My garage floor is almost perfectly level and when I push in the clutch and start the truck in the mornings, my truck will roll forward if my foot isn't on the brake. Then when I shift to reverse, it will start rolling ever so slightly backward. I've also noticed that sometimes when stopped at a stop light when I shift to 1st, the truck will kinda want to roll forward like the clutch isn't in all the way.
I'm going to get it in for an appt in a couple weeks and get this stuff fixed because now there is a whining noise between 35 and 45 mph.
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modain
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10/02/2002
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Since the 1st/2nd grind issue has been identified with a TSB this is no longer an issue. For those that haven't gotten theirs fixed yet, why not start out in 2nd?
I usually drive using gears 2-5, only using 1st for when I need quick acceleration, when I'm carrying/pulling a load, or starting off facing uphill.
Does anyone have an opinion or guidance on my driving method? Is this advisable?
Just so you know, I give it plenty of gas on start, with very little clutch wearing slip. I don't bog the engine. Just a nice smooth takeoff.
I do this mainly for the sake of gas mileage. (Turning 2500RPM doing 10MPH can't be good for staying away from the gas station.)
'02 QC SLT+, 4.7 V8, 5sp, 3.92 LSD, no perf tweaks (yet)
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mad42
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10/03/2002
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You're lucky. My 2k2 V6 trans chucked every gear but 4th (the 1:1) at 250 miles. Had problems with the new box grinding occasionally into 1st from a stop. Stupid dodge mechanic rammed it into 1st at 25mph to show it could be done. I expect the syncros in this one to go out just after the warranty. It's a Piece of Crap.
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xplikt
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10/04/2002
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"Stupid dodge mechanic rammed it into 1st at 25mph to show it could be done."
You got to be sh!ting me? Why not try reverse while he's at it.
2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
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modain
Dodge Dakota
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10/05/2002
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I have never known of *any* stick tranny shifting into 1st while in motion (above a crawl) without some sort of objection.
That clown at the dealership needs a good education in tranny basics and customer service.
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Torque
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I start out in 2nd about half the time, but it doesn't really like to do it when I'm completely stopped on a slight up hill, feels like I need to slip the clutch a little too much for my liking. But if I'm barely rolling or stopped on a level or slightly downhill, 2nd starts out fine.
Do you have the tire and handling package? My truck is 4wd. The bigger tires lower the ratio quite a bit compared to a 2wd I drove. The 2wd had the 3500HD with 3.92 rear end like my truck but first gear felt like a "deep low" that is only used when getting a load moving uphill.
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Dave Mitchell
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My 2001 4.7L Quad Cab was making a "scratchy rumbling" sound when in neutral. Disengaging the clutch made the noise go away. When changing the engine oil I noticed there was a stain at the bottom of the bell housing indicating lubricant leakage. My diagnosis was input shaft bearing failure and front seal leakage on the transmission. Took the truck in to Magnussen Dodge of Auburn, CA and their diagnosis was 3 & 5th gear bearing failure. I am stil convinced I have the correct diagnosis.
They have scheduled me in for repair March 3rd, and are supplying a rental vehicle under my extended warranty I purchased. The estimated repair time is 5 days. I was prepared to be shrugged off, and am glad they didn't attempt it. I was a little put out after buying an extended warranty for 6/72,000 and then 6 months later they up the factory warranty to 7/100,000 at no cost!
Magnussen Dodge has always treated us right and the vehicle was $500 over invoice, rare form here in the "Gold Country".
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AKDak
Dodge Dakota
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My 2002 Dak has ground going from 1st to 2nd as long as I have had it. I now have 7300 miles on it. The dealership replaced the tranny at 3100 miles, but it still grinds. The service manager says that its normal......BULL %$^&
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newdak
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I had a simular problem with my 2001 Dak, the dealer had it four times, gave lots of excuses, tried and failed to fix it once...
Go to http://www.lemonlaw.com/, DC had to replace my truck and pay the legal fees... since they were giving a 7yr/100K mile warranty when I picked up the new truck, I got that for free too!!!
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Brandon
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the problem is not with chevy dodge or ford but the muncie transmissions NV3500 (new venture gear) all three companys have them in certian truck and car 2wd applications ..I own a 96 chevy s10 and have gone through "4" of them. there torque rating is usually lower than the engines rating ..so if tow, or accelerate to speed or pass someone it will crap out ..i broke the case on the first one at 45,000 miles then a gear set at 92,000 I opted for a cheap rebuild and it went out again at 98,000 went to another rebuilder, this time it lasted a breif 9 months what a turd! Im currently in between careers so Im buying a rebuild video and a master rebuild kit to do it myself, special tools can be improvised the kit is only $238.00 for the masterkit. i spoke with a rep at the dealer and they said i could change over to an automatic 4speed or change over to a borg warner 6 speed but i would have to get clutch and flywheel, cut a new hole 4 inches further back for the shifter, move the crossmember back 3 inches and cut an inch off the driveshaft weld and rebalance it, im shure dodge can offer similar trade offs..becuase these things suck! i feel i could change mine out blindfolded ..chevy quit buying and is coming out with a new high torque model for 2004 to replace this mistake
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jmagsho
Dodge Dakota
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Just a suggestion to those of you experiencing the difficult shifting and gear whine. I replaced the original transmission lubricant with Redline MTL. I have run this synthetic lubricant in my SHO Taurus for years and not only did it improve the shift feel in that car, the inside of the transmission still looks brand new at 140k. The MTL helped with the gear whine and I no longer get the notchy or sticky shifter on cold New England mornings.
To those complaining of gear whine, you might want to check the gear oil in the rear axle. The morons at DCC on the assembly line are known for forgetting to put in the Limited Slip additive on the LSD axles. I changed the fluid in mine and replaced it with Mobil 1 75W-90 and added a bottle of Mopar Limited Slip Gear Lube and the whine is virtually gone. The transmission is noisier than others I have owned in the past, but I don't notice it as much now unless under hard acceleration.
Just this Tech's $.02...
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