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Andy
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11/05/2005
16:57:41

Subject: '01 Dakota No oil pressure!!!!????
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Hope some of you Dakota guys can help me. I just bought a '02 4.7L Dakota. Driving it home the other night, the "Check Gauge" light came on, I noticed I had no oil pressure. I pulled over right away, had plenty of oil, no strange sounds, ran fine. Started it back up, drove 3-4 miles on home, fine, light stayed off. Drove approx. 40 miles yesterday and this morning, ran fine again, then, all of a sudden, same thing, no oil pressure on gauge, light coming on. This time, it started pecking for 20-30 seconds until I could get it pulled over. Rechecked oil, again, plenty of oil. Started the truck, no pecking, ran fine, drove the remainder of the 4 miles home, it came on 3 more times, no pecking this time, just no reading, would turn off the engine, if would read fine for a minute or so, then drop out again, but never pecked again, just the once. Anyone have any idea? Sending unit, oil pump bad? Etc? Oh yeah, when i got home, the front brake rotors were stuck too, pulling from one side to the other. Hope I've not got a lemon. Got a 3 month/3000 mile Chrysler warranty with it, but still getting worried. Any help would be appreciated. Sorry for the long message.



OBIO3
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11/05/2005
17:17:38

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Sounds like sludge in the pickup screan in the sump > If you got to the pecking point I'd be very worried > Have heard this same story many times on Dakotas > For others it was new engine time > Dammage is being done long before you hear it and you did say this has happened several times with no noise > Not a good thing



Andy
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11/05/2005
17:34:53

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I have a friend who use to work for the local chevy/chrysler dealer up until about 2 years ago. He said the sending unit may be going bad, but I guess the ticking sound may mean different. Should I drive it or have it towed to the dealer. I have to all inclusinve warranty from chrysler for 3 months or 3000 miles. Don't want to ruin the engine, but maybe should ruin it while it's under warranty. It's damage irreversible, will they fix they engine, etc? Sorry I keep asking, I just bought this 3 days ago and already getting nervous about it. Got it from a good dealer, good reputation, but it was 200 miles form home, so can't really get it back to them for the service. Don't know what to do about it, I'm not much of a mechanic. Thanks!




Mopar318
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11/05/2005
17:52:24

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Whenever you notice you have no oil pressure you should stop immediatly and dont drive it till you know what the problem is

No oil presure=siezed engine



Jecht
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11/05/2005
18:24:06

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if its sluge then the dealership wont cover it under warranty. as they will say the vehicle oil change wasnt done every 3k miles. so just be prepared for that.

I would drain the oil and see what it looks like.



Forseti
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11/05/2005
21:02:35

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The ticking sound more than likely was your lifters. As for your loss of pressure.... could be a blocked pickup screen or even the paper in the oil filter failed and is blocking the passage once in a while. Do a full oil change with filter and see if your pressure problem is still there. And I would cut the old oil filter top off and see if there was something in there blocking the passage.



DSW
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11/06/2005
02:22:39

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I don't know about the dealership not honoring the 3K/3 month warranty because of sludge in the engine,,, he's only owned the truck for 3 days, it's not his fault. I think the dealer assumes some responsibility selling him a vehicle that could potentially have problems,,, hence the 3K/3 month warranty.

If your engine has been running for a while and you are getting the clatter/ticking noise from the valves you have oil starvation. OBIO3 is right, if your hearing this, there's probably damage to the engine already.

Now let's say you take the truck in, they replace the oil pump and oil pump pickup tube but neglect the rest of the engine. Your stuck with a ticking time bomb because most likely damage has been done to the engine. Could blow within the warranty period or it could blow at 3001 miles or 91 days.

It's a roll of the dice, take the truck in running and have then 1/2 azz fix the problem or blow the engine and see if they honor the warranty. Who know's they might be a real good dealership and replace the engine because they want to keep a satisfied customer (slap on the back of the head to wake me up) Yeah Right Stoooopid!

You may have just discovered why the previous owner traded in the truck :-(



Old Fool
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11/06/2005
09:45:31

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Well, if it needs a new motor and the dealer doesn't honor the 3/3 warranty (which I'm sure they will) I have a complete 4.7L motor from an '05 Dakota with 800 miles on it (nope I didn't forget any zeros here). It is a pull out for a 6.1L HEMI swap. It is complete to include A/C pump, Harness and Computer (PCM). I'll take $3,250 for it plus any freight. E-mail me at lynn@dakotatrucks.com

If you are within 1,000 miles of south Texas I will meet you half way to save the freight.

Later,



OBIO3
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11/06/2005
14:08:42

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After thoughts > Having this happen 3 days after buying truck, you can bet your shorts the other owner had this problem and sold the truck because of it > What you don't know is how far he/she drove it with oil light on or how many times it was driven this way >Pretty darn scary > With the dealer 200 miles away, I would call service department and tell them your problem > Would not surprise me they tell you to drive it on over to be fixed > That puts you out of responsibility > You think what I said about the other driver having the problem and You know there has to be serious dammage inside your engine > I have read forums where the light came on one time and engine had to be replaced > It takes seconds to scar cranks and cams noT to mentiom bearing dammage > This really is nothing to take lightly > Good luck



DSW
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11/06/2005
15:19:33

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Andy,

If you call the service department, explain to them about the oil pressure problem and they tell you "just drive it on over", make them put it in writing. I mean, have them fax you a letter saying that XXX Dodge Dealership Service Department understands your truck has potential low oil pressure problems and they want you to drive it over to them, possibly ruining the engine because of the low oil pressure problem.

I don't trust the Dodge dealership 5 miles from my house because I have caught them in lies 2-3 times. I wouldn't want you to take it over to the dealership and them come back and saying, you knew it had oil pressure problems and still drove it 200 miles, your responsible for the damage.

If you drive it 200 miles back to the dealership I would have someone follow you over,,, could be a long walk if the engine decides to seize up 100 miles from home and the dealership.

If I lost oil pressure in a couple areas that I drive I would let the engine blow before pulling the truck to the side of the road,,, and it could a couple miles of driving before I could pull over. Better to blow the engine than get killed by pulling over on a blind curve with no shoulder...



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11/08/2005
19:11:10

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Update!
Well, dropped it off at the dealer yesterday. Went by today. Had a few minor problems to get checked besides oil pressure. Climate controller wouldn't move door behind dash. Air only blew out on windshield, they are replacing the control unit, despite the fact I told them the motor would turn up under the dash, just the door or whatever wouldn't move to actually change the air flow?? Next, lights were constantly pulsing when driving at night. Something you'd notice from the bottom of your vision field on the dash lights when looking striaght ahead, nothing you could look staright at and see them doing it if you can understand what I'm saying. Said they can't duplicate the problem, it was normal for the lights to go dim when the A/C turned on at night, told them I wasn't using the Ac and it did it the whole way home, said they'd check it again?? Last, the oil gauge/pressure thing.
They said the drove it all over town and nothing, appeared to be working fine but maybe had a bad sending unit at the most and they couldn't fix it yet because they couldn't duplicate it to see what's wrong. I told them I know it's more than the sending unit, it had started pecking the other day when the pressure dropped. ?? I gave them permission for the service manager to drive it home tonight. They will put in the climate control head tomorrow and I'll go by and see if they ever found anything else. I took it to the local dealer, which I don't trust anyway but it is close and easy to get a ride home from. If they don't fix it, I'll take it to the other preferred dealer in the area, about an hour away, AFTER I get in writing that nothing's wrong with the oil system per their five star ASE tech.
Next I remembered that both times the gauge initially dropped, I had just came out of hard acceleration. Floored it once after 20 miles of normal uneventful driving, maybe a quick 30 second acceleration, let off, 1/4 mile or so later, problem first started, pressure dropped. Stopped immediately, checked the oil which was normal, restarted motor and nothing. Next day drove it 50 miles round trip to work under normal driving, no problems. Second incident, almost same thing, hard accel., 1/2 mile or so later, pressure dropped, this time couldn't pull over gith away and it started pecking. Restrted and drove 3-4 miles back home, gauge dropped 2 more times, never pecked again, but would immediately stop, turn off and restart, gauge would read normal. Next day drove it maybe 30 more miles to work and then to dealer, normal driving, not a single drop in pressure, other than dropping at red lights, but still then stayed in normal range. When driving, usually reads on the high end of normal, at red lights, drops to low end of normal, but stayed normal again.
Well, sorry so long again, just thought I'd update it. Thanks to everyone for reading and offering help and advice. Keep the opinions coming, I really appreciate the help!!!



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