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dakdak
Dodge Dakota
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6/04/2005
14:30:31
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the other day i bought a 1997 standard cab, 2 wheel drive, v6, 5 speed dakota for 400 bucks. The engine is on its last leg. I want to put a v8 in it b/c i have a 1985 carb 318 and 904 sitting in my garage. What are my options for the swap, ie will the engine bolt right up to the motor mounts and manual trans or will i have to use the automatic, also i have all the motor mounts from a 1995 318 dakota that i did an engine swap on but i noticed on the 85 block there isnt the 3 bolt holes on the side where the 95 318 mounted to its motor mounts. Any help and info would be great. I only have 700 to spend and i will be doing all the work my self.
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90droptop
Dodge Dakota
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6/06/2005
20:45:35
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my suggestion would be sell srap or trade the 85motor & the trans cause you will want to keep the manual for gas milage, find a V8 dakota in a junkyard & jack the motor and wiring harness but scince you straped for cash just enjoy the gas milage your getting know and keep saving that way you get somthing better like a crate 408 from krcperformance
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IntenseDak39
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6/06/2005
20:56:20
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motor wont just "bolt up"..
that LA motor has different style mounting system than the magnums.
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Super-bee
Dodge Dakota
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6/07/2005
02:09:56
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http://www.engine-swaps.com/frames/frame_Truck_Dakota.html
or start from the engine-swaps.com website
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IntenseDak39
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6/07/2005
05:13:59
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non of their engine mounts work with genIII dakotas.
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Super-bee
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6/08/2005
12:21:39
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oh yeah, i forgot :-D
sorry, im used to looking around for gen1/genII stuff and forget most people have IIIs
why does nobody every swap a 91+ magnum into gen1 dakotas, thats what im looking for info on :(
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IntenseDak39
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6/08/2005
14:20:23
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that wouldnt be that hard since you could get a V8 genI (shelby)
magnum blocks have newer engine mount bosses but also retain the older LA style boss'
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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6/08/2005
19:26:29
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Hey Super-bee.
2001 360 Magnum in my Shelby.
Might be able to help. Anything in particular?
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Super-bee
Dodge Dakota
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6/09/2005
01:07:14
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i knew you had a v8, didnt know it was that new
how was the wiring, or did you carb it?
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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6/09/2005
11:40:09
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Doing the carb thing initially, for simplicity. Plus, I love carbs. However, I have also been snagging OBDI stuff, again, for simplicity over OBDII that came with the 360. (With my luck, the smog police will suddenly decide to make issue with 1989 Dakota smog compliance.) On the Gen1, I've read here-and-there about wiring, splicing, etc, but I think the best approach, or at least the easiest, is to piggyback the Magnum system and let it run like it would on a non-computerized vehicle. The Mag PCM handles the drivetrain management, while the body wiring remains essentially untouched. I can see eventually getting the Magnum PCM to do all the work later on. Luckily, having the cable-driven speedometer keeps that from being an issue, but swapping in an instrument cluster from a '92-'95 would also bring easy compatability. Anyway, going carb makes all that a non-issue at this point.
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Super-bee
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6/09/2005
12:09:05
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well as i have said, i have the whole 95 truck sitting in my back yard
so if swapping the instrument cluster makes everything work jsut like it did on the 95 then so be it
i looked at the wiring harness that plugs in throuhg the firewall and they are the same plug, but the pins are different
so i dont know what that would mess up
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Super-bee
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6/09/2005
15:03:18
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when i get everything swapped i will plug it in and see what happnens, if it does not work, i guess im re-wiring my intirior too :-)
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gen1dak
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6/09/2005
22:39:22
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Well it's not quite that easy. My reference to the cluster swap just meant you would be able to read all info from the Magnum PCM, including the tach. There will be some splicing to get the Magnum signals to the wiring in the bulkhead, or maybe swapping the under-dash wiring would be better. Honestly haven't looked into that. Once I got the carb-required necessities worked out, my research kinda stopped, but I guess I should look into this for future mods.
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Super-bee
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6/10/2005
01:42:30
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see swapping the wiring from under the dash had crossed my mind too, becuase while im at it im taking power windows/power locks
im looking to maybe find a way to take the cruise control with it and not have to swap the stearing wheels
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jessica
Dodge Dakota
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6/10/2005
07:17:27
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Hey i really like the new dodge dakota 2005 this year u can hold heavy things in the back of it. I really like it so much thanks for makeen it the best****
Dodge Dakota
Jessica ****
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Super-bee
Dodge Dakota
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6/10/2005
12:42:36
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????
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90droptop
Dodge Dakota
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6/10/2005
19:37:43
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second sugestion custom fab the motor mounts use the carb and the manual trans, so the speedo will work
custom fab a wiring harness for the starter you could even make it a push button start, will need a new distributor, buy a tach from autozone, eliminate computer. will need the basic gauges oil presuer-water temp- voltmeter, and that should be the chepest way to go
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Super-bee
Dodge Dakota
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6/12/2005
21:18:59
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but will the v-6 tranny hold up to the v-8
and how will the electronics that go from the tranny that hook it to the engine work out?
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90droptop
Dodge Dakota
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6/12/2005
23:18:14
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its the same transmission that is in the 318 dakotas
there are no electricals it will fail eventualy if it is pushed but should provide trouble free service for quite a while
i mean its an 1985 carbed smog 318 it cant be making more than 180-200 hp tops especialy if he is just going to drop it in
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Super-bee
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6/13/2005
10:56:49
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i think the 85s had 140 hp
not sure on the tourque
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90droptop
Dodge Dakota
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6/13/2005
20:05:11
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well then it will last even longer
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