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armorog
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4/26/2005
10:19:50

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Does anybody know what it would take to put a hemi in a dakota. I know a 5.9 can be swapped in because it is a factory option, but will a 5.7 hemi fit. And if it does who has the motor mounts to make the swap. I have found some hemi's on ebay that include the comp and wiring harness. I would like to turn my dakota ('99 with a 4 cyl and a five speed) in to a bit of a show car or at least something that I could take to the track and get some decent times.

let me know please



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4/26/2005
10:44:35

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Everyone claims it is too wide to fit.



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4/26/2005
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Nothing is too wide with a saw though. I have also been hearing that it can fit, but there is no room to work on it. But I am going to do some more of my own research to find out just what it would take. If nothing else I can always cut the firewall and put in a 5.9 cummins like Gale Banks.



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4/26/2005
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A number of people have done the v10



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4/26/2005
14:34:48

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They sell mount to put a 440 bigblock!
Thats bigger than the new hemi



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4/26/2005
19:17:29

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You can use the same mounts to install a Hemi.



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4/26/2005
20:00:46

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a 426 hemi... not a 5.7 or 6.1


and that's limited to genI and II dakotas.



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4/26/2005
22:30:09

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Well, I didn't say which hemi.

When you think about all the work it would take to put in a 5.7, the 426 would be easier and likely cheaper.



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4/27/2005
07:52:06

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I want to put in a 5.7 hemi in a '99 dakota. I want to do it just to be different. I thought about the 6.1 hemi but ,even though the 5.7 and the 6.1 have the same exterior dimensions, I plan on buying my hemi from a junk yard to save on cost. Since it going to basicaly be rebuild along with a balance and blueprint. But I am not sure of all the wiring.

I am going to school for cars truck and high performance. But I am going to specialize in BMW. That way when I go to open my own shop the bank will see I have something to fall back on and it will allow me to build up a bit of a savings account faster too.

I found a site that has all the dimensions for the hemi. I just need to find a site that will give me the dimensions for the engine bay of my dak now.



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4/27/2005
07:53:20

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and where can I find more info on the v-10 dakota



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4/27/2005
10:16:59

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"When you think about all the work it would take to put in a 5.7, the 426 would be easier and likely cheaper."


yep



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4/28/2005
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I have the Mopar Chassis Guild and putting a 426 hemi in a dak is not easy task dimension wise. They had to build a header that went on the outside of the frame on the drivers side because of the stater and steering linkage. With the heads you would probably have to relocate the master cylindar and hack up the inner fenders. Spacewise the 5.7 would be a lot easier to fit, you would probably have to build or adapt your own motor mounts, or have a welding shop do it for you.

Although a 5.7 doesnt come cheap, parts for the old 426 are really expensive, just about everything for them costs an arm and a leg. My guess is the 5.7 would be cheaper, be cutting edge, and put nice power to the pavement and still pass a gas station. It will only be a mater of tiem before there are lots of parts for this new engine. The old hemi is an awsome engine, dont get me wrong, but the new one has so much going for it, and taking it out of a fullsize ram and putting it in a dakota alone would probably give you some fast quarter mile times, lots of wheelspin, and something really different.

Thats my 2 cents



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4/29/2005
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You know,. The 4.7 sure seems to be a WIDE engine.

Especially compared to something like a Ford 5.0 (302).


Does anyone make a bore/stroker kit for a 4.7 yet?
That's what I would wait for :)



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4/29/2005
22:34:23

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I thought that someone had done the research for this a few months ago and concluded that it wasn't worth the trouble. That taking an engine that's one of the Dakota options and adding the performance parts to get 300 to 400 HP from it would make it so much more advantageous both in terms of effort and cost as well as the performance would likely be better. I've heard that the 5.7 isn't exactly a torquey motor off idle but once you get it going it make great mid-range power and torque. I don't know personally but, has anyone driven a 5.7 Ram and also a 4.7 Supercharged Ram?
GraphiteDak, considering the high demand for it, the performance parts for the 4.7 seem almost none existent. When you look at the mods that are out there, it's mostly mods that didn't cost any manufacturer tons of money to develop and in some cases the parts are not unique to the 4.7 engine. My FIPK kit for instance has the large tube that K&N probably has a machine to crank out tubes of any shape you want so, I don't see the tooling or machining costs there. The cone filter is more universal off the shelf as well as most of the hardware. I don't know what it takes to make some of these manufacturers product parts for the 4.7 and even DMC seems to be losing interest in developing the engine much more. I felt in 2002 when they put the HO engine in the Jeep WJ, they beefed the engine up so much for just 30 HP and 30 lb/ft of torque, it almost seemed that they had big plans for the engine but now they don't make the HO engine anymore (as a matter of fact they stopped producing it relatively early in 2004) and I just haven't seen much in the way of after market parts. Look how long it took to get Superchips to make a tuner for it and then they incorporated it into an existing tuner. Kenne Bell deosn't make a S/C for it anymore. I'm surprised that anyone makes headers for it.



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5/01/2005
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I just looked at a site (DC dealer) about a 4.7 engine stroked to 5.5 liters, increasing the hp by 40 and more than that on torque.
It can be the right option when comes the need to replace the engine.
I think that it is a new thing, and i hope some one knows better about it, cause i can`t find the site.



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5/01/2005
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last i checked it was like $19,000 or something outrageous like that for 5.5 liter. check it out.
http://www.startech.de/p03e.htm



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5/01/2005
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I checked with the same people that make the 3.9 V6 stroker kit. They want $1800 for just the custom billet crank. KRC Performance is building a couple 600hp 4.7's. You can't say nobody makes anything for the 4.7.



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5/02/2005
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I think thats 19,000 (doitch?) marks, German money.
Anybody know the conversion?
Also dont think they sell it as a user installable kit



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5/02/2005
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www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html I found this site that has some specs on the new hemi's as well as the old. I was thinking of getting a job a a dodge dealer and then hopefully getting a discount on the new 6.1L hemi. It has 425 Hp and 420 ft. lbs. and it is supposed to have displacement on demand. So it shouldn't be to bad on gas. But it does have a high compression of about 10.25:1. It is just about a race motor with the compression though.

I would like to find a site that has the measurements of the engine bay just to see how much room I have. But in the mean time I think I am just going to go with the 5.9 and find a place that has a turbo kit for it. It would be good practice to rebuild the engine any how. And it would save on cast since I could get it out of a junk yard... but did they ever make a manual for a dak with a v-8?



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5/02/2005
18:08:50

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19000 marks = $12,478



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5/02/2005
21:41:37

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Germans use euros now, not deutch marks.
The 6.1 won't have MDS because the cam profile is too radical for the system to make a smooth transition. It better come with a large gas tank.
Yes, there are people making stuff for the 4.7 but, considering how many of these engines they've sold in Dodges and Jeeps since '99, where are all the big name after market manufacturers? You know, the Edelbrocks, the Crane Cams, B&M and the long list of manufacturers that don't make anything for the 4.7 engine or the 45RFE tranny. When you do find someone that makes performance parts for these, you have to come up with the BIG BUCK$.



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