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6/19/2004
05:05:06

Subject: 4.7 oil
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The owners manual and chiltons book to my 4.7 says it take 6 qts. of oil. i have only been able to get between 5 and 5.5 quart of oil in the engine and the dipstick staying in the safe mark. anyone having this problem?



Rob C
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6/19/2004
14:51:43

RE: 4.7 oil
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After adding the oil, have you tried running the engine for several minutes, shutting it off and waiting 5-10 minutes and then checking the oil level?
Plus, make sure you're on a relatively level surface.



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6/19/2004
15:10:13

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This is a dumb question, but you are changing the filter during the oil change? The filter holds about 1/2 qt of oil and this could account for only needing 5 to 5.5 qts of oil. I'v changed my 2000 4.7's oil 7-8 times and it always takes a touch less than 6 quarts of oil to bring the oil level to the top of the safe mark.

You should add enough oil to bring the oil level just to the top of the safe mark, not above it. From the bottom of the safe mark to the top of the safe mark is probably about 1 qt of oil, maybe this is where your getting the difference. I normally dump in 5.5 qts of oil, run the engine for a minute to get all the oil passages full, check the oil level, dump in a little and re-check the level, dump in a little more and re-check until the oil level is right at the top of the safe zone.

Rob C said the most important thing, make sure the truck is level, front to back and left to right.



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6/19/2004
21:57:12

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yeah, i always make sure my truck is level after changing the oil and filter. i let the engine run turn it off, wait 5 to 10 minutes, go back and check it and it is over the safe mark. i do change my filter, when i change my filter i usually put about 1/4 filter of oil in. the thing is i decided to take it to a dealer and it was about 1/2 quart over the safe line when i checked it the next day. they were supposed to check the dipstick to see if it was correct for the 4.7L and i also told them about the oil foaming up in the winter in the oil filler compartment. said the foam was normal due to condensation and that they assumed the mechanic checked to see if the dipstick was correct.



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6/20/2004
08:22:53

Amsoil -- 2002 DODGE DAKOTA 4.7L 8-cyl -- Amzoil
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Maybe his helps ... Capacities and Torques for a 2002 4.7L

2002 DODGE TRUCKS DAKOTA 4.7L 8-cyl VIN Code N

CAPACITIES

Engine, with filter .......... 6.0 quarts[1]
Cooling System, Initial Fill .......... 17.0 quarts
Automatic Transmission, 42RE Initial Fill .......... 4.0 quarts[2]
Automatic Transmission, 44RE Initial Fill .......... 4.0 quarts[2]
Automatic Transmission, 46RE Initial Fill .......... 4.0 quarts[2]
Automatic Transmission, 545RFE 2WD Initial Fill .......... 5.5 quarts[2][3]
Automatic Transmission, 545RFE 4WD Initial Fill .......... 6.6 quarts[4][5]
Automatic Transmission, A45RFE 2WD Initial Fill .......... 5.5 quarts[6][7]
Automatic Transmission, A45RFE 4WD Initial Fill .......... 6.6 quarts[8][9]
Automatic Transmission, Total Fill
42RE .......... 10.0 quarts
45RFE .......... 14.0 quarts
46RE .......... 10.0 quarts
Manual Transmission, NV1500 .......... 4.6 pints
Manual Transmission, NV3500 2WD .......... 4.9 pints
Manual Transmission, NV3500 4WD .......... 4.2 pints
Differential, C205F Front .......... 3.6 pints
Differential, with 7.25 ring gear Rear .......... 3.0 pints
Differential, with 8.25 ring gear Rear .......... 4.4 pints
Differential, with 9.25 ring gear Rear .......... 4.9 pints
Transfer Case,NV133, NV233 .......... 2.5 pints
Transfer Case,NV244 .......... 3.0 pints
Transfer Case,NV241 .......... 4.6 pints
Transfer Case,NV241 HD .......... 6.5 pints
Transfer Case,NV241 GENII .......... 3.4 pints
Transfer Case,NV243 .......... 3.4 pints

1. After refill check oil level
2. With engine automatic transmission operating temperature, shift through all gears. Check fluid level in NEUTRAL and add fluid as needed.
3. DTC'S may be set , reset with DRB III, if necessary
4. With engine automatic transmission operating temperature, shift through all gears. Check fluid level in NEUTRAL and add fluid as needed.
5. DTC'S may be set , reset with DRB III, if necessary
6. With engine automatic transmission operating temperature, shift through all gears. Check fluid level in NEUTRAL and add fluid as needed.
7. DTC'S may be set , reset with DRB III, if necessary
8. With engine automatic transmission operating temperature, shift through all gears. Check fluid level in NEUTRAL and add fluid as needed.
9. DTC'S may be set , reset with DRB III, if necessary

TORQUES

Oil Drain Plug ..... 25 ft-lbs
Transfer case
Fill Plug ..... 15-25 ft-lbs
Drain Plug ..... 15-25 ft-lbs
Manual Transmission NV3500
Fill Plug ..... 14-20 ft-lbs
Drain Plug ..... 14-20 ft-lbs
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6/20/2004
12:04:47

RE: 4.7 oil
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yo jb dude...
I had the same problem as you, and I do have the solution.
Let your truck sit overnight, next morning change the oil without starting her up. you will find that 6 quarts of oil will measure at the full line on the dip stick. apparently it takes the oil a long time for all of it to drain into the oil pan.
good luck, Kindig

01 Dak cc slt 4x4 auto 40,000 miles and NO problems what so ever



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6/21/2004
10:35:32

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Dipsticks are often inaccurate. Change your oil, add 6 qts, and run the engine for a bit. Let it sit over night and check the oil. That's the normal line. Go ahead and re-mark the stick.



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6/21/2004
13:04:43

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I always use 6 qts and the oil level is about 1/2 way between the add and full marks. The dipstick is inaccurate. I just re marked it with a scribe.



jb
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6/21/2004
20:16:41

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4.7 rango has got me curious. Does the 4.7L dipstick have a add and full line. If so I have the wrong dipstick. Mine has got only a [safe] and right below the safe it has add.



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6/22/2004
04:03:45

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My 4.7 dipstick has a "safe" area marked with crosshatch lines, below this it says "add". The add mark is probably 1 qt below full.



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6/22/2004
06:29:14

Amsoil -- 2002 DODGE DAKOTA 4.7L 8-cyl -- Amzoil
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For the record, it is best to slightly over-fill than to under-fill.

Also, take into consideration such things as alterations, options, filter size, drain time, etc., when calculating the amount of oil needed for your oil change. Also, when checking the oil, often the oil level on the dipstick will appear a little low because the owner did not give the oil time to drain back into the sump.

There are very few vehicles (if any at all) that would actually be harmed by an over-fill of between 1/4 to 1/3 quart extra of motor oil, and there may be some evidence that maintaining your oil level at "very slightly" above the full mark is a good thing. I am certain that manufacturers create some leeway in the acceptable oil level on the dipstick.

Why, because they think we are all dip$hits!

Have you ever seen a manual state 5 5/8 quart or 5.625 quarts? No because they all round either up or down.

If you happen to "overfill slightly" ... just check your dipstick immediately after you shut the engine off and if you don't see thousands of little bubbles, then the oil isn't being aerated and you are fine. What you want to accomplish is maximum fill, keeping the oil level out of the crank so you don't foam it.

Regarding fill levels --- Some manual's actuallly state to wait until the oil is at the bottom of the safe zone and then add an additional quart. how accurate is that?

I always put about 1/4 quart more oil in my engines than the manufacturers recommend.
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kj
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6/23/2004
18:22:34

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I ignore the stick and use six quarts like the manual states. I use the oversize filter too(ex. Wix 51515).



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