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5.2 club
Dodge Dakota
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12/13/2002
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Its a sticker package that also includes fender flares, lowered suspension, a wimpy rear sway bar, 17" rims and 42 more cubic inches and 10 more HP. Its the same trannie, TB,intake, heads, Rear end (3.92 ratio though), brakes, etc. Except for the short block everything is the same. So if you own a RT thats great butits nothing special over the plain 5.2!
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litlpunisher
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12/13/2002
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It has bigger rearend 9.25 5.2 is 8.25. Bigger tranny 46re 5.2 is 44re. Just those is a pretty big difference.
98 Dakota
Bottle fed 340ci
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NJ R/T
Dodge Dakota
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12/13/2002
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"So if you own a RT thats great butits nothing special over the plain 5.2!"
You sound like you're trying to convince yourself...pretty simple,you don't like em,don't buy one.I personally think it's a pretty cool truck,considering you can get a loaded CC for under $24,000.
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Nitro Junkie
R/T
12/13/2002
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If you could have anyone one you want
would you take a camaro Z28 or SS ?
would you take a mustang gt or cobra ?
would you take a dakota or a R/T ?
i wouldnt step down from a R/T for anything
2000 R/T
Belltech 2"-3" Drop w/ Nitro Drop Shocks
40 Series Flowmaster Dumped Exhaust
8mm Taylor Spiro Pro wires w/ Autolite 3923's
Mopar Performance Distributor, 180 T-Stat
Turbo City Dual Tube Air Intake w/ Twin 5" Round K&N Filters
Speed Scene Grill (Upper&Lower)
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brett a
Dodge Dakota
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12/13/2002
15:39:11
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i would never drive anything else but my R/T. I love it
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midnightdak
Dodge Dakota
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12/13/2002
15:44:29
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Whats an r/t got over my 4.7?i hole 20 hp big wupptie fukin do...lol...i'm fukin with you r/t guys i wanted a r/t but when i bought my 4.7 it was about the only one on the lot that was blue cc with all power options,so i got it because it was a dakota with a v-8 and thats all that counts rite,and i got alot off the price cause they was getting ready to get more cars in...and guys enjoy your dakota no matter what motor you got were not suppose to be picking on each others rides we are supposed to pick on ford and others like that...rite...later guys.
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Nitro Junkie
R/T
12/13/2002
16:00:27
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look at it like this, take a stock 4.7 or 5.2 and a stock R/T (CC or RC) and line 'em up. The R/T will win because its faster.
2000 R/T
Belltech 2"-3" Drop w/ Nitro Drop Shocks
40 Series Flowmaster Dumped Exhaust
8mm Taylor Spiro Pro wires w/ Autolite 3923's
Mopar Performance Distributor, 180 T-Stat
Turbo City Dual Tube Air Intake w/ Twin 5" Round K&N Filters
Speed Scene Grill (Upper&Lower)
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?????
Dodge Dakota
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12/13/2002
16:01:35
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Why would you buy one off a lot, if they didn't have EXACTLY what you were looking for. I mean, Exactly. If you wanted a 5.9, should have ordered one. YOU can get both in auto! NOt in manual.
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midnightdak
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12/13/2002
16:28:10
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Well ?????,The insurance would be a little higher,the 17 inch tires would be a little more on the ixpensive side,thats the only things that really kept me from ordering one.Besides know that i have a dakota i'm very satisfied with my choice.But its like i said cheaper tires cheaper insurance and ONLY 20 less horsepower.Well i like the fenderflares if i had thoughs that would be as close to an r/t as i would want to go.Bottom line is we all have different likings am i rite guys correct me if i'm wrong.
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GreyDak
Dodge Dakota
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12/13/2002
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This is a retarded discussion. The R/T is good at what it's meant to do, and the 4.7 is good at what it's intention is. Myself, I live up in the north where I wanted four wheel drive and a quad cab, so my obvious choice was a 4.7. The R/T is a nice street capable truck.
My one question is, since the 5.9 comes in an automatic, and 4.7's can come in a manual, like my truck, that's 5% less loss in the drivetrain for the manual. So that amounts to about 11 HP gain at the wheels, which is close to the difference in initial HP between the two.
So theoretically a RC 4.7 manual should go about neck and neck with an R/T, right? Just making sure my thoughts are in the correct order.
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midnightdak
Dodge Dakota
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12/13/2002
16:42:55
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I totally agree with you GREYDAK,this is crazy poeple fighting over nothing,lets take your dak 4x4 for instance on saying that if you chose an r/t you couldn't get around rite,and if i got one insurance and tires would be higher rite,so why would me and you need one?answer,we wouldn't need one,So why critisize people about there choices what we all have in common is we all have dakotas,how where all different is that some of us like greydak need the 4x4 and people like me need to have some things cheaper on things.Oh yea if you want something good and dependable get a dakota and if you want something real fast get a hobby like i do a have 1 old car and 1 old truck with big blocks and and blowers them, thats for speed and my dakotas for dependablaty on the way to and from work.
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hdrt
Dodge Dakota
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12/13/2002
17:24:42
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That's why they make vanilla and chocolate and strawberry! Why make argument. Can't we be happy with what we choose to drive or buy?
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Pistolero
Dodge Dakota
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12/13/2002
17:42:31
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Will one of you guys get mad and throw your V8 out on the curb? I don't care which one...4.7 or 5.9...I'm just suffering from V8-is envy. I want a V8 to replace my V6. When I was shopping for a truck, I found exactly the truck that I wanted, except that it had a 3.9 rather than a 4.7 in it. I wasn't real keen on ponying up the extra $$ for the V8, anyway, and I'd had an Intrepid with the 3.3L V6 that ran like a scalded dog, so I figured the 3.9 would be similar. Then, when I put the Magnaflow on...YUK-O-RAMA!...I really wanted a V8 then. If only I could sneak a HEMI under the Xmas tree.
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Jim
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12/13/2002
17:46:58
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I had the ES w/3.2 and it did fly but that is a cast iron bore the Dakota 3.9 is not, its more like the stock motor in the Intrepid than the option motor
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5.2 Club
Dodge Dakota
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12/13/2002
18:39:45
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I didn't want to make a big stir over this. I just get tired of some repeat some of these RT owners think they are above anyone with a 5.2 or 4.7 or even a V6.
Can't we all just get along. I never said I didn't like them, they are the same truck. I would much rather have a 5speed than a 5.9. That's just my choice.
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xplikt
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12/13/2002
18:58:57
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Hersbird took the R/T I wanted -- seriously, THE R/T I wanted. But I got something just as fun, maybe more with the manual tranny.
-Mike
http://www.dodgetruckworld.com/xplikt/
2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out, straight piped 3rd cat, turndown tip
Hotchkis swaybars and springs
Bilstein custom tuned shocks
Roadmaster Active Suspension
Shaved emblems and antennae
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4.7dakman
Dodge Dakota
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12/14/2002
03:20:52
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back to the stock scenario:
r/t vs 4.7 rc manual 3:92, pretty dam close.better watch those boys,the'll get your r/t!
try one and find out!
later...
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smokinstang
Dodge Dakota
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12/14/2002
03:25:46
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you d-boys fighting over each other,you ought to be ashamed!get the fastest r/t or whatever the sticker says,you all know,come find me!i'll smoke
you silly!........
r/t= rusty truck!
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StangsAreEasy
Dodge Dakota
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12/14/2002
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Ohhh,A Mustang? Can I have your autograph? Don't see many of them on the road..lmao...good choice,genius.
Mustang = A pile of dog crap that can't get out of its' own way....enjoy your POS "Belly Button" Car...
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midnightdak
Dodge Dakota
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12/14/2002
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hey SMOKINSTANG i don't know about you but it prolly is smokin cause it is a FORD i'm i rite guys...lol...ford peice of sh!t they shouldn't even be on the road so i suggest you junk that thing and do us all a big favor.Oh and i would race you and if my dakota can't beat you i'll just have to break out the old 468 with blower and smoke that A$$ but remember i race for titles and after i beat you i'll take your pretty little car from you and drive it everyday just to remind you that i took your pretty little car...oa yea then i'll put it in the junk yard where it sould be...lol.
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dweishaar
GenIII
12/14/2002
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A wise old man once said that FORD=
Fuc*ed
Over
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Yeah...I want one of those
One Eyed Fox
The Baja Dak
Have you destroyed your dak..........lately?
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StangsAreEasy
Dodge Dakota
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12/14/2002
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That same wise man once told me FORD was backwards for~
Driver
Returns
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Foot
He's a smart fella.....
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Todd
Dodge Dakota
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12/14/2002
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I'd say an RT is the sportiest,fastest version of the Dakota.Do the same type of mods and the RT will still be a better performer.
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NDakota
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12/14/2002
22:02:00
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I personally got an automatic so my fiance can scoot over and sit in the middle...she gets a kick out of that.
Anyone else a panzi like me? hehehehehe
R-Donkey
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kota on 20s
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12/15/2002
02:13:24
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you guys are missing the main point of the 360 VS 318. its only 20 hp, but its the 50ft lbs of torque that puts it ahead.
think about it guys, its about the same differance from going from a 318 to a 360 (42 cubes), as it is going from a 360 to a 408 (48 cubes)
i said the same thing when i ordered my truck "its only a 20hp diff, im going with the 318" im not kicking myself too hard, because i love the 5speed.
oh, the 318's have a 9 1/4" rearend too. (at least mine does)
~Eric
superdupercharged, M-1, 1.7 RR's, 52mm TB, ceramic headers, 3" carsound cat, and gibson muffler
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EyeTrip
R/T
12/15/2002
02:23:52
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I want a 5 or 6 speed!!!! I hate this POS garbage steaming heap of..... Damn I hate this 46RE!
kota your killing me.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/15/2002
02:40:17
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do you have a mopar pcm? my friends was hitting the limiter and killing him in the 1/4...he put a pcm in it, and it works now.
also, for about $1500 you can have martain saine rebuild it, and put a new valve body in. works VERRY WELL.
~Eric
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
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12/15/2002
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You are right that most if not all 5.2 do get the same axle and tranny. The motor also use the same intake, heads, throttle body, exhaust manifold, etc. This is to the benifit of the 318 and its the downfall for the 360. To save costs mopar uses all the same parts on both motors. If they used any bigger valved heads, bigger can, and a bigger throttle body and freeer flowing exhaust on the 5.2 it's "truck" ability would start to suffer, it would lose too much torque and driveability. The 360 really bottled up using the 318 parts (which was converted to 'Magnum' status first.) The 360 really should be running all different parts as mentioned and it still would provide even more torque in a smooth daily driving motor. I think another 50-75 HP would be easy, but Dodge is just trying to simplify things and keep them inexpensive. Like I said it's great for the 318, but not so good for the 360. This is the biggest reason when you start talking mods the 360 is the way to go, there is just so much untapped potential bottled up in the 360. Basically dodge just took the new for 92 magnum 318 and bored and stroked it. That would be like just taking a stock 360 and dropping the stroker crank in it and making a 402. You will see some increase but nothing like what you see if you also add a bigger TB, headers, cam and intake, matched for the extra cubes.
Also have you ever driven an R/T compared to a stock Sport? The handling is night and day. That rear bar may be small but it's correctly balanced for the truck, and great 17" tires (betterthen the stock Goodyears) can be bought for under $100 each. The R/T also gets listed in the Nada, Bluebook, etc resale guides separately. Sooner or later a 318 trucks stops getting credit for any options it has, and basically just becomes another manual (or automatic), 2wd pickup. even a v-6 would have basically the same value (maybe an extra $500 tops for the v-8). The R/T will continue to bring a premimum although never will regain all of it's $3500 additional cost. I'm sure people back in 68 used to question why would anybody buy a roadrunner or a GTX, you could get a good bigblock and 4 speed in a Satellite, same goes with a Charger and the Charger R/T, or the Barracuda and the 'Cuda.
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Ryan
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12/15/2002
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Yeah that 46RE is the biggest thing that keeps the R/T's from having some real performance. The gear ratios's from first to second are so widely spaced, it's rediculous. Thats why you get that waaa then blaaaaa sound. I've been wanting to swap in a 6 speed into it since I bought it. Maybe a gear vendors overdrive would help some and at about $2500, cheaper than the standard coversion. Other than that it does have potential. I've done all the basics to it so far gave it a true 3" exhaust and headers , flowmaster, K&N filter , air raide throttle body spacer. With all this I'm now getting a whole 211H.P. to the ground at the rear wheels. No Lightning. But I did'nt pay 35g's for my R/T either! Don't forget that 46RE up front there is probably sucking up quite a bit of H.P. and torque! So all in all the R/T is not the race truck that it's good looks would lead many Honda Civic race car owners to believe. But it has the basic building blocks to become a good all around performance vehicle. If you have the patience and the finances to give it that boost. It needs. If Dodge would offer that new 345H.P. little Hemi in a Dakota or , a plain rapper 1500 what a street machine that would make. Dream ON!
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Jay
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12/15/2002
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well guys, personally i am very proud of my RT. 2000 RT pretty much stock except... for a flowmaster, a little bigger throttle body, and a chip. And I dont have any trouble taking the mustang GT's, and most camaros except the Z28. Can you guys with your 5.2's say the same?
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EyeTrip
R/T
12/15/2002
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Don't get me wrong, I love my R/T! But the trans seems to suck up alot of power and time to keep it going. I'm tweaking on the trans more than the engine. A gearbox would not be such a headache.
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