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Bob Jones
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3/17/2004
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 Subject: RE: 30 yr user ,AMSOIL Well worth it!
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For the guy who claims H-D cant use Amsoil due to roller bearings not rolling: These are the claims that over-state Amsoil benefits! What you are suggesting is just not possible. Besides that bubble burst when H-D just came out with synthetic 20W-50 for Harleys.
For the guy who wants to see Amsoil at WalMart: You should be flogged. WalMart is raping America. You could support small business and buy from a friend or family member - it just makes sense. Thank you Amsoil for selling the way you do!
For the guy who wants to know why Amsoil dont come in Vettes: Mobile1 has DEEP pockets, they can afford that type of advertising. Amsoil beats Mobile1, some of you know that the rest just refuse to believe it.
For the guys that has ???? thousand miles on his car on conventional oil: How many oil changes does it take to go that far? It costs less to use Amsoil. This give you the option to run it as a break-even deal and still have better oil. You may not understand what I said, I barely do. Just not sure I said it right.
Amsoil is overstated in some cases due to over zealous dealers. The bottom line is that Amsoil is the best. In a point by point comparison, nobody even beats Amsoil in 1 category so how or why would they be expected to beat it overall.
For a free catalog..
www.1stSynthetic.us
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TJudge
Dodge Dakota
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3/17/2004
12:45:09
| RE: 30 yr user ,AMSOIL Well worth it!
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Bob Jones
Your style of talk is exactly why I avoided AMSOIL for most of my life.
Steven Roark has been the AMSOIL Sponsor of this site for probably two years.
Steven's understanding of the lubrication industry and his help in recommending products besides AMSOIL convinced me to finally try Amsoil.
I tried it .... and I liked it!
Smooth and quieter operation, lower operating
temperatures, longer equipment life, etc, etc.
Here is Steven's link: AMSOIL
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Sephiroth
Dodge Dakota
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3/17/2004
12:46:29
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I don't know about every last oil and oil-company in existance, but I do know that when I switched to AMS 6,000mi ago, my truck started idling so smoothly and quietly that I've gotta' look at the tach from time to time to make sure the dang thing is running! Not only that, but it does pick up better than when I ran Quaker-State regular. I'm at 6,000+ miles on this first tank of AMS and it's still nice and slick, not thick, and not watery. I *AM* still a bit skeptical and plan on changing the oil at 7,500mi just to see what it looks like. If it's still good to go, the next tank gets it at 25k, and then every 25k from then on in.
As for the oil-pressure comments, I noticed that too. At idle, my needle shows that the oil-pressure is within the safe run range, but it looks low. However, after I give it some gas and get rolling, it goes right back up like normal. That to me is good. I mean, if the oil is thick enough to give higher pressures at idle, you gotta' wonder how good it's soaking into tiny areas of friction.
We also had some of the 'vette guys do am AMS vs Mobil test recently. They ran a 'vette with Mobil in the differential until it was warm, then got on the dyno. Then they drained that 'vette and put in AMS. After driving and warming it up, they tested 3hp more to the rear wheels. Then they drained the AMS and put in more Mobil and repeated to make sure they were being fair. Sure enough, it lost 3hp! I am planning on switching to AMS gear lubes next, and then tranny!
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3/17/2004
14:53:12
|  AMSOIL Synthetic Oil = Well Worth the $$$
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On this thread ...
I won't get into a discussion about Harley-Davidson and Synthetic Oil.
I won't get into a discussion about Amsoil not being on-the-shelf at Walmart.
I won't get into a discussion about Mobil1 being Corvette Factory Fill.
I won't get into a discussion about saving money using Amsoil products.
I won't get into a discussion about Amsoil "Reducing USA Oil Dependence".
I won't get into a discussion about the merits of Amsoil & Extended Oil Drains.
---- This has all been discussed on other www.DodgeDakota.com threads ---
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Thank you TJudge. I know you as a client and a friend.
Thank you Sephiroth. You and I have exchanged a few Emails.
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Now, if anyone is still interested in a FREE Amsoil Catalog you can click the following link.
Thank You !!!
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Sephiroth
Dodge Dakota
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3/17/2004
18:54:53
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Just ignore the guys who prefer to spend more money on oil. I mean yeah I am still a bit skeptical, being brought up on 3k oil and all, but in another 1,300mi the truth will be known to me. That'll put AMS at 7,500mi, and then going to 20,000mi will prove to me it can handle 16,500mi changes, which is better than anything else. However, I am still picky and NEVER use oil to it's max. I changed my original oils at 2,500mi, and I'll be changing AMS at 20,000mi. Still, 20k for an oil-change is DAMN GOOD!
You guys don't happen to make tranny-filters, do ya'? :D
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jeremiah2360
Dodge Dakota
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3/18/2004
00:22:25
| RE: 30 yr user ,AMSOIL Well worth it!
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Sephiroth,you may not want to go over 12k on AMS unless you are running a by-pass and testing the oil. I use AMS and it wouldn`t go much past 12k comfortably. Their 25-35k drains are for ideal conditions, the right motor,testing and maybe a by-pass set up. Not impossible but not automatic either. Just trying to save your engine some trouble.
You can see my test results on bobistheoilguy.com under used oil analysis. Amsoil performed very well but was not going 25-35k like they advertise.
03 qc 4.7 auto 4x4 28k
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/18/2004
06:32:44
| AMSOIL Synthetic Oil = Well Worth the $$$
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jeremiah2360 is correct.
I try to be very clear when talking about extended drains. A 10,000 Mile Oil Change Interval is absolutely possible. Up to a 25,000 Mile Oil Change Interval is possible under certain conditions, but please read further for additional information.
Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST, changing the filter every six months).
However, the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle is NOT an absolute! One must realize that is for non-severe service, or highway miles where you have stable operating conditions and that the indicated drain interval also has a time period of 1 year maximum as well.
***** READ THIS PLEASE EVERYONE *****
Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer oil change intervals, --- it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation. If your owners manual states 3k mile oil change interval, then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k mile oil change interval then 12-15k changes would be alright based on personal driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change. Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL SDF Oil Filters must be changed at least every 6 months regardless of miles driven.
Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals.
Notice: More frequent service may be required under severe service operating conditions.
Notice: For drain interval beyond 3x manufacturers recommendations (especially the 25k change) --- Regular oil analysis is recommended for establishing drain intervals.
AMSOIL --- 30 years of manufacturing oil and mountains of data and tests make these clains possible.
Let me know if you need additional information.
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royal fan
Dodge Dakota
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3/18/2004
08:22:41
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Royal Purple is the only oil for true car enthusiasts!! Do your homework and then try and prove me wrong!! Hot Rod magazine has studied oils in several articles with Royal Purple winning all HP, torque, etc. contests
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HH
Dodge Dakota
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3/18/2004
09:14:30
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Royal Purple? Yes, they get favorable articles written. But there is more to the story.
After doing extensive studies (I RACE CARS ON THE WEEKENDS), I stopped using RP. It's viscosity shears down quicker than any other oil that I have tested. This shearing down of viscosity probably accounts for their favorable performance reports. Even RP's synthetic 10W-30, which is marketed as a passenger vehicle oil should be stable from a viscosity standpoint, but it is not.
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royal fan
Dodge Dakota
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3/18/2004
13:07:01
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from the research I have read Royal Purple Race oils do shear down with extended use, not their passenger oils, no matter how you cut it: Amsoil, Mobil 1, RP, etc. it's all better than dino....
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Sephiroth
Dodge Dakota
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3/18/2004
13:41:27
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I was looking at the by-pass filtration systems on the AMS site a week ago. I didn't realize that the system was a necessity for the 25k changes. My manual states every 3k unless I am mistaken, but I don't like odd numbers. At the very LEAST, for what I pay for AMS, I'd like to see 10k out of it. Do you think that's possible without the by-pass system? I am generally not hard on my engine. I don't floor it all the time and I don't rough-house with it. I do pull a 17ft Bayliner every other week in the summer though.
Also, the engine stays cooler than a normal Dakota engine. Mine has a 180deg thermostat and I also run the orange 50k/5yr coolant. The engine generally stays around 190deg, where it stayed at about 220-230deg stock. I also have that open-element chrome air-filter housing so more air gets into the engine. I am assuming I should take at LEAST the cooler engine temp into consideration on my new oil-change frequency with AMS.
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/18/2004
14:02:02
| AMSOIL Synthetic Oil = Well Worth the $$$
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Sephiroth,
10k mile oil change intervals are no problem.
I know several people that change their oil every 25k miles (or 1 year - whichever comes first) after they first established the fact that they could extend oil drains in their engine. Not all engines are the same, even if they are all 4.7L Dakota Engines.
This is WITHOUT a by-pass system.
To establish the fact that the oil in their particular engine would perform for 25k miles --- they performed a Used Oil Analysis at 7.5k miles , again at 12k, again at 15k, again at 18k, etc., etc. This was to establish the fact that the oil would hold up in their engine for 25k miles.
10k mile oil changes are no problem. This is within Amsoil's guidelines of --- Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends 2 to 3 times longer than the engine manufacturer's recommendation.
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Heck --- even Redline FINALLY confirms Synthetic Oil Extended Drains.
Amsoil has confirmed and marketed this for 30 years.
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Redline's information per their website:
" ... Synthetic oils have been shown to last 25,000 miles in field tests; however we recommend shorter drain intervals in order to provide a margin of safety ---. We recommend draining the oil between 12,000 and 18,000 miles depending on the type of service and the degree of blow-by gases contaminating the oil. High-speed freeway driving is easy on the oil due to its excellent thermal stability. If the engine is worn and if considerable stop-and-go driving is involved, 10,000-12,000 mile drains are suggested. A good rule of thumb to follow is to change the oil at least once a year regardless the mileage. Manufacturers warranty requirements should be followed while under warranty. Filters can be changed every 5,000 to 7,500 miles in order to assure filter durability is not a problem." ... etc., etc.
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Amsoil comments regarding Extended Drains (in my words):
Amsoil has been in the oil industry for 30 years. Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST, changing the filter every six months).
Again, the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle IS NOT an absolute! One must realize that is for non-severe service (highway miles where you have stable operating conditions) and that the indicated drain interval also has a time period of 1 year maximum as well.
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Dakota52318
Dodge Dakota
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3/18/2004
20:56:37
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Ive got a question, just kinda thinking... If the pressure drops beacuse bassically the pump at idle cannot keep up with the increase in flow of the oil... could this maybe mean instead that becuase the oil flows so well that it is maybe slipping past the gears in the pump and maybe not creating the pressure then, and not flowing as much as you might think because of the slippage of oil past the gears? Wouldnt the only way to test this be to setup a pump, one test with say mobil, and one with AMS, and see which one pumps the most volume of oil through a calibrated restriciton in a certain amount of time? Does that make sense at all?????
TJ
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3/18/2004
23:05:46
| Synthetic Oil Myths - Free Amsoil Catalog
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Dakota52318,
It is late and I can't decipher your post.
I am too tired to try, but maybe you will find your answer here.
Let's put to bed some of the objections you will hear concerning the use of synthetic engine lubricants (some are old debates ... some are new ... most are old wives tales and grumpy old men that only understood "crude" oil):.
Plus, most of these "MYTHS" started many years ago when Synthetic oils were a novelty. now Synthetic oils are on every shelf and even "Factory Fill".
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Myth #1: Synthetic motor oils damage seals
Untrue. It would be foolhardy for lubricant manufacturers to build a product that is incompatible with seals. The composition of seals presents problems that both petroleum oils and synthetics must overcome. Made from elastomers, seals are inherently difficult to standardize. Ultimately it is the additive mix in the oil that counts. Additives to control seal swell, shrinkage and hardening are required, whether it be a synthetic or petroleum product that is being produced.
Myth #2: Synthetics are too thin to stay in the engine
Untrue. In order for a lubricant to be classified in any SAE grade (10W-30, 10W-40, etc) it has to meet certain guidelines with regard to viscosity ("thickness"). For example, it makes no difference whether it is 10W-40 petroleum or 10W-40 synthetic, at -25 degrees centigrade (-13F) and 100 degrees centigrade (212 degrees F) that oil has to maintain a standardized viscosity or it can't be rated a 10W-40.
Myth #3: Synthetics cause cars to use more oil
Untrue. Synthetic motor oils are intended to use in mechanically sound engines, that is, engines that don't leak. In such engines oil consumption will actually be reduced. First, because of the lower volatility of synlubes. Second, because of the better sealing characteristics between piston rings and cylinder walls. And finally, because of the superior oxidation stability (i.e. resistance of synthetics against reacting with oxygen at high temperatures.)
Myth #4: Synthetic lubricants are not compatible with petroleum
Untrue. The synthesized hydrocarbons, polyalphaolefins, diesters and other materials that form the base stocks of high quality name brand synthetics are fully compatible with petroleum oils. In the old days, some companies used untested ingredients that were not compatible, causing quality synthetic lubricants to suffer a bad reputation. Fortunately, those days are long gone. Compatibility is something to keep in mind, however, whether using petroleum oils or synthetics. It is usually best to use the same oil for topping off that you have been running in the engine. That is, it is preferable to not mix your oils, even if it is Valvoline or Quaker State you are using. The reason is this: the functions of additives blended for specific characteristics can be offset when oils with different additive packages are put together. For optimal performance, it is better to use the same oil throughout.
Myth #5: Synthetic lubricants produce sludge
Untrue. In point of fact, synthetic motor oils are more sludge resistant than their petroleum counterparts, resisting the effects of high temperatures and oxidation. In the presence of high temperatures, two things happen. First, an oil's lighter ingredients boil off, making the oil thicker. Second, many of the complex chemicals found naturally in petroleum base stocks begin to react with each other, forming sludge, gums and varnishes. One result is a loss of fluidity at low temperatures, slowing the timely flow of oil to the engine for vital engine protection. Further negative effects of thickened oil include the restriction of oil flow to critical areas, greater wear and loss of fuel economy. Because of their higher flash points, and their ability to withstand evaporation loss and oxidation, synthetics are much more resistant to sludge development.
Myth #6: Synthetics can't be used with catalytic converters or oxygen sensors
Untrue. In fact the very low ash content of synthetics will extend the life of every exhaust system component.
Myth #7: Synthetics void warranties
Untrue. No major manufacturer of automobiles specifically bans the use of synthetic lubricants. In point of fact, increasing numbers of high performance cars are arriving on the showroom floors with synthetic motor oils as factory fill. Which may not make the dealers too happy since oil changes usually lead to other service work.
Myth #8: Synthetics last forever
Untrue. Although some experts feel that synthetic base stocks themselves can be used forever, it is well known that eventually the additives will falter and cause the oil to require changing. However, by "topping off", additives can be replenished. Through good filtration and periodic oil analysis, synthetic motor oils protect an engine for lengths of time far beyond the capability of non synthetics. Amsoil's unique additives packages allow for extended drain intervals.
Myth #9: Synthetics are too expensive
Untrue. Tests and experience have proven that synthetics can greatly extend drain intervals, provide better fuel economy, reduce engine wear and enable vehicles to operate with greater reliability. All these elements combine to make synthetic engine lubricants more economical than conventional non synthetics. In Europe, synthetics have enjoyed increasing acceptance as car buyers look first to performance and long term value rather than initial price. As more sophisticated technology places greater demands on today's motor oils, we will no doubt see an increasing re-evaluation of oil buying habits in this country as well.
There are other MYTHS and non-truths circulating the forums, garages, and race tracks. The nine above are just a few that I wanted to address.
Conclusions
Since their inception, manufacturers of synthetic motor oils have sought to educate the public about the facts regarding synthetics, and the need for consumers to make their lubrication purchasing decisions based on quality rather than price. As was the case with microwave ovens or electric lights, a highly technological improvement must often overcome a fair amount of public skepticism and consumer inertia before it is embraced by the general population. But the word has been getting out as a growing number of motorists worldwide experience the benefits of synthetic lubrication. The wave of the future, in automobile lubrication, is here, and Amsoil has lead the march, recently celebrating their 30th year in business. For the environmental enthusiasts, the use of synthetics could reduce waste oil disposal by 80%, so if environment is your thing, then synthetic lubricants should be your choice.
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