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Sean
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11/17/2002
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I just bought a 99 Durango 4x4 5.9L. How is it that my 5.9L has roughly 250hp, and my Dad's freakin Denali with the 6.0L has roughly 330-40hp(depending where you look)? I mean my Grand Cherokee with a 4.0L had 190hp. So you mean to tell me that the big Bad Ace magnum has a whimpy 250hp? I know the torque is pretty good and it tows my 22ft boat well but What a let down. Give me your thoughts.
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GSMarquis
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11/17/2002
21:21:43
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Put a supercharger on that bad boy! Then show the denali how a dodge can run.
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kotart13
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11/17/2002
21:59:46
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how much did you pay for your durango? compare that to how much you expect to pay for a denali... beside's, i have fun killing those caddys/denalis/ whatever else they put the 6.0 in, in my r/t!
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xplikt
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11/17/2002
22:03:50
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Those two vehicles are in two totally seperate classes. The Denali is also heavier and larger, so I would hope it has a larger engine. Maybe we'll get lucky and Dodge will dump that 5.7L in the Durango.
Think of it this way, how many Denalis have you ever seen up in the boonies, lol. Hell, why do Denalis even need 4x4 capability? Soccer mom needs help driving little Billy to practice in the rain? *thinks of sh1tty minivan commercial*
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Hersbird
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11/17/2002
22:12:54
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Hey on the same note what's with Chevy's new "supertruck" the SS only getting 345 hp? Any old Ram can get 345 hp for only an $800 option. So you can get a bad Ram quad Laramie, awd, with 20's, sport package, 345 hp Hemi magnum, leather, the works for after rebates at Dave Smith for $31,700. How much is that Chevy SS? or even a 330hp Denali for that matter.
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GenIII
11/17/2002
22:25:20
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I think I'd take a C3, man those are nice.
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midnightdak
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11/17/2002
23:12:17
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i hope they make the dakotas with the 5.7s in them,because ford has the cobra stangs with 475hp bone stock and thats fast in a car,also hope chevy dont decide to put the 350 300hp motor in the s-10,anyone ever race the fullsize chevys with the(i think its 496 bbc)in them.
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midnightdak
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11/17/2002
23:16:13
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i hope they make the dakotas with the 5.7s in them,because ford has the cobra stangs with 475hp bone stock and thats fast in a car,also hope chevy dont decide to put the 350 300hp motor in the s-10,anyone ever race the fullsize chevys with the(i think its 496 bbc)in them.a guy i know that lives in my town has a 2500 chevy with the 496bbc and a flowmaster on it and is wanting to race me,i have a 4.7 01 dakota cc with little odds and ends on it.
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GSMarquis
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11/18/2002
18:45:18
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GM has also come out with a new v-8 that has the length of a small v-6, and the width of a large i-4. This engine will be in the new pontiac grand prix. There has ben rumur that this small v-8 producing 295hp/300trq will be in the new monte carlo ss, plus maybe a chevy s-10 size truck. It is supposed to get around 18-22 MPG also, and use the new "DOD" technology(displacment on demand).
I just hope the new DAKOTA SRT-8 5.7 HEMI will come out.
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Sean
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11/18/2002
22:13:32
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Ok But!!!!
Nobody has explained why the big bad a$$ 5.9L 360 pumps out a measley 240 hp's. I mean 240 horse is nothing to brag about. It feels like 300 but it's not. And my reason for mentioning the Denali was that they have similar engine displacement and 100 hp's more.
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midnightdak
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11/18/2002
22:29:14
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SEAN,that is crazy isn't it dodge has a 360 cubic inch motor with a measley 250 hp while chevy has a 350 10 cubic inches smaller motor that has a whopping 300 hp why is that i like chevy motor but i do have a dakota,why cant dodges get more hp out of there motors.I do know that my moms big yellow dodge ram extended cab 360 4x4 stayed rite beside a regular cab 350 fullsize chevy 4x2,i was driving but maybe the guy in the chevy didnt know how to drive a stick up his a$$ but it was funny i made him look bad in front of all his friends(LOL)
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Hersbird
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11/19/2002
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well Sean you are kinda exposing your ignorance. First the standard 360 puts out 245 while the rt get 250. The reasons why it feels like more:
1- Dodge is probably more consertive with their engine ratings then Chevy
2- You only "feel" torque. Then there are things like gear ratios and tire diameter that have to be considered. 300 ft-lbs will accelerate a truck equally at 2000 rpm as it does at 4000 rpm. Problem is the truck making 300 ft-lbs at 4000 rpm is making twice the HP. It has twice the hp but isn't accelerating any faster then the motor making 1/2 the hp. There is a big advantage to making the torque later in rpms because even though it will never pull any harder then the motor making it at 2000 rpms, it will pull that hard LONGER. So you never feel a harder pull just a longer pull (at least that's what she said).
3- so chevy thinks that that HP number will sell trucks, so they put in some more radical cams, and short tuned manifolds wich gives a nice high peaky hp curve, rather then the long flat low end torque curve the Dodge gets. For light vetts the high HP is great, but heavy trucks that tow need the torque. If you drive yor Dakota more like a vette then it's easy to go into the mopar performance parts bin and pick up a few goodies that will easily push your 360 to over 300hp and beyond.
4- the Dodge 360 last received it's upgrade to magnum status in 1992, compare the 5.2 and 5.9 Dodge motors to the Chevy motor of 1992 and you will see that they were doing much better.
5- now it's 2003 and Dodge did upgrade the 5.2 and 5.9, the 5.9 has been replaced with an inexpensive, long lasting mere 5.7 that makes 345hp. How does that compare to the Chevys? They got a tweaked 6.0 going in the mega buck SS that mkes that much, how come you can get a $16,000 Dodge with 345 hp but you gotta spend $40,000 to get a Chevy that high?
The Dodge 360 Rams have always run equal 1/4 mile times as the redesigned Chevys in any road test comparision I have seen. All that hp gets you nothing, the Dodges are set up correctly to make use of what they got and the high HP numbers are only there to sell trucks, not accelerate them. Now the new Hemi not only mkes those high HP numbers but higher torque numbers as well, and puts it all in a nice long flat curve. The new Hemi rams will destroy a Chevy in a 1/4 mile. I a bit worried at how my lightweight Dakota will hold up against a Hemi RC 2wd Ram. Seeing as how the Ram only weighs 600 pounds more then my Dakota I'm thinking about switching.
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Anthony G
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11/19/2002
11:39:53
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The S-10(Colorado?) will only be getting a I4 and a I5, with the I5 have around 200-225hp at most. Not even worth worring about, due to the increased size. Mid size truck now.
Now comparing that 6.0L, I think it's based off the LS1 engine. Aluminum heads, high compression, large Throttle body, increase valve lift and port flow. Your comparing a third gen engine to basic first gen Dodge motor with minor upgrades to SEFI and magnum heads. Cast iron crank, iron heads, 70's engine. The new Hemi compares more to the Vortec 6000 6.0L your talking about. You could compare the 454 to the 360 :) they both had around 250hp.
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11/19/2002
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What. Chevy wussed out in putting a V8 in their new Colorado? Big mistake in my opinion, they really shoulda gone with an ls1, not like they don't have enough of those things.
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Anthony G
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11/19/2002
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Yeap, someone got stuck on the idea Inline engines are the way to go. I know inline engines tend to be balanced better than V-style engines, but due to lenght they require, you can only fit so many cylinders in a row. I did see a I5 turbo charged 315hp setup in a truck setup a year ago? But I've not heard that they will use any type of turbo's with the Colorado or any other setup as of now. I also read a review that the I4 is a better choice vs the I5 in the Colorado. LOL to bad. If they turbo charge there current I6 from the Trailblazer then they might have something, 350-375hp. Maybe go all out and do a twin turbo 4.2L, something like the Supra 3.0L that some people have gotten 800HP out of. Still can't beat the sound of a American V8.
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Will
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11/19/2002
18:11:40
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People have gotten 800 horse out of the 2.0 mitsubishi 4G63 that was in the talons.
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Hersbird
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11/19/2002
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15 years ago Carrol Shelby put together a 900hp Dodge 340 twin turbo and drove it around for 2 weeks with no problems in a day to day driving enviroment. It was in a mid engine 70's Pantera body I believe. getting tons of power out of the various sytles of motors is nothing new. Look what a winston cup team gets out of a pushrod americian v-8 with out the use of superchargers, turbos, or nitros. What is hard is doing in mass quanities, for a reasonible price, with long term reliability, while meeting massive EPA and CAFE requirements!
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Sean
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11/20/2002
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Thanks for clearing that up Hersbird. I never claimed to be an expert, and I guess the reason for this question comes down to my lack of knowledge on this subject. Or as you like to put it, "kinda exposing my ignorance." So thanks for taking me out of the depths of ignorance on this one.
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Hersbird
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11/20/2002
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Sorry I probably sounded like a dick. I kind of figured you to be a troll, because most people don't go around dogging their ride like that on a site like this dedicated to Dodges! I was wrong. Don't feel bad I was pretty close to trading my Dakota R/T in on a 6.0 2500 series 2000 chevy 4x4. I wanted a big extended cab, and a heavy duty tow rig that still could manage something in the high teens mileage wise. Plus they are a dime a dozen used around here (the on I was looking at was $17,000). I drove it though, really didn't seem like much, so I deceided if I went the big truck route I would just wait for the new Hemi. Sure glad I waited now, but may still just hang and see if they do do a 6.1 hemi srt Dakota. That would just be unbelievable.
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Sean J.
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11/21/2002
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It's cool Hersbird. I absolutley love my Durango to pieces. I love the 5.9 and I love how I cant gas it around a turn with out it breaking loose. I fell in love with Dodge when I when I was 17. I bought an old thrashed 75 RamCharger with the 318. Fixed it up, gave it a little TLC. I'm happy to be back with the team!
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11/21/2002
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Ramchargers will never die! Heh, those bastards have a half life of like 5000 years.
-Mike
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paysonbadboy
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11/22/2002
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What is embaressing is the small cars such as VolksWagen which I have never really been a fan of, has their 270 HP W8 in the Passat and it is in the size of a V6. Think the new Chevy small V8 may be a copy cat?
I was looking at the W8 online to see what it was. It's fot two V's 15 degrees apart to fit all 8 cylinders in there. They staggered with a wide deck and heads, etc.
I'm sure we will see more of these to come with Dodge and Ford, etc...
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