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Chipster
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9/19/2002
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This fall's issue of MOPAR NOW has a 12
second, 4WD Durango. It's got a 4.7 with a
Kenne Bell s/c with 10.7 lbs. of boost, 150
shot of nitrous, water injection, forged crank,
Crower rods, 9:21 Ross pistons, ported &
polished heads with 1.965 exhaust
valves.There is light at the end of the tunnel for
our 4.7's.
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yates-in-DE
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9/19/2002
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There's allways been a light, but it's so far away that it's hard to see. We are now starting to see a glimmer of it.
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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rtdkota
R/T
9/19/2002
02:26:55
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Hmm.. and guess what TB he was running??? Hmmm... Anybody?
:P
I sell Crower too.. Hmm....
Sam
www.socaldakota.com
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yates-in-DE
GenIII
9/19/2002
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Is this article on line?
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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9/19/2002
09:06:49
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Very nice dyno numbers, but how many times in a row can he pull that number? I'm not poo-poo'ing on the story, but when you hit a motor with a 150 shot ON TOP of 11 psi of boost, you are playing with a live grenade.....
Water/alcohol injection is no match for that sort of set-up....
Then again, I still need to read the article.
Just my $.0002 worth.....
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Livinonline
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9/19/2002
13:17:51
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I personally have no problems with driving a live gernade.
:)
Now if I can just get my 4.7L 4x4 dakota to do this.......
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Matts47dgo
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9/19/2002
14:39:18
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Chipster,
I cant find Mopar Now magazine. Do you have a tel# or a website. I would be real interested in that article.
Thanks
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Chipster
Dodge Dakota
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9/19/2002
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Matt, They also publish MOPAR Action, they
have a web site moparaction.com, but the
article is not on line.
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GenIII
9/19/2002
21:56:45
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you're driving a live grenade for a whole 10
seconds...kenne bell here I come! and its a
4X4 durango, imagine that setup in a RC
dakota!D
01 4.7 CC auto 3.92 LS
Dynomax 3" catback, dumped
HO cams, HO intake manifold
ported-polished 68mm TB
180 stat, no clutch fan
airaid intake, DJMdrop 3-6
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xplikt
GenIII
9/19/2002
22:44:40
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Those exhaust valves with the Kenne bell is just what I'm lookin' for!
2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out, straight piped 3rd cat, turndown tip
Hotchkis swaybars and springs
Bilstein custom tuned shocks
Roadmaster Active Suspension
Shaved emblems and antennae
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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9/20/2002
08:22:58
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Coughcoughcoughheadgasketcoughcoughbackfirethruthemanifoldcoughcoughcough....
oh pardon me. had something in my throat.
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xplikt
GenIII
9/20/2002
10:37:29
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"had something in my throat."
It's too easy, but "Now wipe yo chin' bitch!"
2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out, straight piped 3rd cat, turndown tip
Hotchkis swaybars and springs
Bilstein custom tuned shocks
Roadmaster Active Suspension
Shaved emblems and antennae
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alex
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9/20/2002
15:55:59
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Not to flame-on here, but
"yeah, you wish it was long enough to go down my throat and then drip on my chin....."
Now back to your normally scheduled programming.....
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alex
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9/20/2002
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Not to flame-on here, but
"yeah, you wish it was long enough to go down my throat and then drip on my chin....."
Now back to your normally scheduled programming.....
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xplikt
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9/20/2002
16:05:37
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Weak! Weeeeeeeeeeak! All in good fun, no flames intended.
2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out, straight piped 3rd cat, turndown tip
Hotchkis swaybars and springs
Bilstein custom tuned shocks
Roadmaster Active Suspension
Shaved emblems and antennae
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alex
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9/20/2002
16:41:53
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That's odd.... I dont' recall posting that one twice. Must be a little demon in the system....
Of course it's all fun. Till that 150 shot blows your head gaskets and the 11 psi of boost pressurizes the cooling system and ruptures the top tank on the radiator.
Okay- i'm a pessimist. Oh well.....
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xplikt
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9/20/2002
19:09:34
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The article probably didn't say it was a daily driver ya know.
2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out, straight piped 3rd cat, turndown tip
Hotchkis swaybars and springs
Bilstein custom tuned shocks
Roadmaster Active Suspension
Shaved emblems and antennae
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sandman
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9/20/2002
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I think I would rather have more boost and some aux. fuel injectors. I realy would not want to use nitrious and forced induction on anything I will be driveing every day. 14.7-18 PSI of boost on a daily driver with custom pistons, cam shafts,an intercooler, extra injectors and a reflashed ECM would make me a happy camper.
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Bruce P
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9/20/2002
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The "sidewinder" Dakota has 715HP with 1,150LB-FT torque. (see page 26 of SPORT TRUCK Nov2002 issue)
Of course this is the 5.9L Cummins Diesel.
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Rob W.
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9/21/2002
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I thought that the Sidewinder had the viper motor in it not a diesel
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kota on 20s
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9/21/2002
01:07:21
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why wouldnt anyone want Nitrous and a SC on a daily driver? its not like you will be spraying on the street. and you can always turn the boost down on the street too!. a 10 sec car, becomes a nice 13 sec car on the street.
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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xplikt
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9/21/2002
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Kota has a point, just because you have it doesn't mean you have to use it. If your engine can handle that amount of boost and injection on the track, a reduced amount on the street should work great -- I would think.
2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out, straight piped 3rd cat, turndown tip
Hotchkis swaybars and springs
Bilstein custom tuned shocks
Roadmaster Active Suspension
Shaved emblems and antennae
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9/21/2002
15:26:25
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when you gonna start sprayin Eric!!! I didnt
think the stock 4.7 pistons could handle a 150
shot?
01 4.7 CC auto 3.92 LS
Dynomax 3" catback, dumped
HO cams, HO intake manifold
ported-polished 68mm TB
180 stat, no clutch fan
airaid intake, DJMdrop 3-6
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kota on 20s
GenIII
9/21/2002
19:02:41
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dude, if i had spray, i would leave the button on every day! i would get WAAAY to carried away with it.
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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rtdkota
R/T
9/21/2002
21:24:18
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The 4.7L had Ross Pistons & Crower connecting rods.
Sit tight-- there's a Turbo 4.7L kit coming-- Not a pipe dream-- real deal with real numbers- It's been running a for a while, and it's gonna be coming FAASSSST...
More news to follow- I can't say more than that right now-- but it's coming.
Sam
www.socaldakota.com
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xplikt
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9/22/2002
19:20:50
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MORE! Hype is good.
2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
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Hotchkis swaybars and springs
Bilstein custom tuned shocks
Roadmaster Active Suspension
Shaved emblems and antennae
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CW
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9/22/2002
19:38:22
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Good to hear Sam tired of having basicly no pressurized options.;)
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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alex
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9/23/2002
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Okay Okay... found the article and the true Dooky on this 610 hp motor. There's no way it's a daily driver. The guy has obviously spent mega-huge money on making a 12-sec Durango. Here are some examples:
* 4.56 gears
* Kenne-Bell S/C making 10.7 psi of boost
* Two 90# injectors on the back of the S/C to richen the fuel mixture under boost
* 38# injectors for the actual cylinders
* Headers, Optimizer, Boost-A Pump
* Forged Crank
* Crower Rods
* Ross Pistons
* Modified Cams (whoever EVC is)
* Titanium Valves (1.965" exhaust valves, too)
* F&B Throttle Body (sounds familiar?)
* 5-angle valve job
* "Niagra Falls" port & polish on the heads (Jersey Cylinder Head)
* Water Injection System that squirts half alcohol, half water
* And even with all that, this guy STILL has to run 120 Octane VP race gas to keep from detonating the motor.....
* Not to mention the 150 shot from a bottle
Hooray for going 12's and making 610 hp, but I know a little about the turbo kit Sam is talking about. It only requires a turbo, a little fuel system upgrade, and some race gas for at the track. And I bet it will put that same Durango in the 12's for a LOT less money.
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xplikt
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9/23/2002
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What if he only used that pulley on the track? Other then the fact he is spraying and running a good amount of boost, it's looks perfectly streetable to me. Although, those injectors seem a bit much, even for what he's doing.
2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out, straight piped 3rd cat, turndown tip
Hotchkis swaybars and springs
Bilstein custom tuned shocks
Roadmaster Active Suspension
Shaved emblems and antennae
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alex
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9/23/2002
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The whole package seems a bit much for turning mid-12's. I'm just saying that 610 is awesome power, but in the form that is required to make 610, it's not streetable. Reduce the boost, take out the spray, then you've got a 400-435 hp motor that gets about 10 mpg on a daily basis. He had to gut the motor and rebuild it from the ground up just to accommodate a wild boost program.
But there are things there that can be used (alone) to make more power on our trucks, too.
But Duner's been running 10 psi of boost without all the ridiculous motor build-up costs and running mid 12's as well. Guess I'm just saying there's other ways to make the same results, all the while retaining our trade-mark 20mpg on pump gas.
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KRC Tech
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9/23/2002
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That truck is fully streetable, the heads were ported by KRC and UPS destroyed one of them, so Jersey did the work, after they recieved the heads from us, so much for trade secrets huh? He did break the front axles though. Very nice guy who can't stand Jim Bell believe it or not. That is a billet 72 CNC he has. Unfortunately, he did not build the motor with the pistons or rods from the beginning, that came later as problems arrised with the new boost levels. He is a true racer at heart who starts and continues for more.
As for boost or spray levels, the upper piston ring land on a stock 4.7 piston is close to reduce emissions, but is brittle under boost or spray. We had Ross cut pistons for that. Another thing that is mis-informed is the stock compression, which is 8.8 and a 66 CC chamber, using the MLS gasket at .030, and the pistons are in the hole .025. Zero deck flat tops with the 66 chamber and .030 MLS doesn't even make 10.0. The stock 6.121 rods are crack rods, which we haven't broke yet. Everything else, except for the pistons and crank driven oil pump, is near bulletproof on the 4.7L. The exhaust valves are not 1.9 as they say, you cannot fit more than 1.5 without cutting the chamber wall into the water jackets. Hang tight, 425 on the motor is around the corner.
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