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4/10/2004
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Hey Steve thought this would get your attention

Whats the diff between the SDF 42 and 96 listed
for the older 318 besides double the price

My Amsoil guy has disapeared, his dad died and
have not seen him since.

Had to order online so I thought I would try a
Amsoil filter with the org 10w30 turbo syn oil

Larry
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4/10/2004
12:45:06

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You will have to help me on this one Larry.

What is the year model of the 318 in question?
I know that the SDF-42 is the filter usually recommended,
and the price difference between the two filters is $1.10 and not 2x the price.

Amsoil SDF-42 Retail Price = $11.55
Amsoil SDF-96 Retail Price = $10.45

AMSOIL SUPER DUTY FULL-FLOW ENGINE OIL FILTERS

Pricing --- Wt. Lbs. --- Cost

Group 1 ----- 1.0 ----- $9.75
Group 2 ----- 1.0 ----- $10.45
Group 3 ----- 1.0 ----- $11.55
Group 4 ----- 1.0 ----- $13.55
Group 5 ----- 2.0 ----- $18.30

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Group 1: SDF-23, 29, 30, 34, 57
Group 2: SDF-11, 15, 22, 24, 25, 32, 96
Group 3: SDF-10, 20, 36, 42, 44, 45, 52, 64, 84
Group 4: SDF-13, 76
Group 5: SDF-26, 41, 80, 99

Amsoil Preferred Customers Pricing is approximately 20% less.

AMSOIL SUPER DUTY FULL-FLOW ENGINE OIL FILTERS (SDF Filters) are composed of a special Cellulose, Synthetic and Glass Blend Media to provide longer life and improved efficiency. Performance tests demonstrated that AMSOIL SDF Filters provide over 75 percent better combined efficiency/capacity than other popular filters.

AMSOIL SDF Filters contain a combination of cellulose, synthetic and glass blend media to provide longer life and improved efficiency. An oil pressure relief valve assures proper oil flow at all times under all operating conditions. Each heavy-duty case has a drawn steel double-crimp at the base with rolled-under seaming. A proprietary elastometer anti-drain back valve keeps dirty oil in the filter when engine is not running.
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4/10/2004
12:59:54

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Larry,

I know that you are already using Amsoil Lubricants.

I am sorry to hear that your usual Amsoil Dealer
is no longer around due to a death in the family.

Well, you know where to find me, --- usually here at www.DodgeDakotas.com (my family owns a few of them due to the fact my cousin owns a Dodge Dealership and so does my Bro-In-Law) --- and my brother is also an Amsoil Dealer, and a Certified Auto Mechanic and a Certified Diesel Mechanic. We all frequent this site offering advice and assistance.

I would appreciate the opportunity to be your Amsoil Dealer if you don't mind ordering from a catalog --- and I would be happy to send you one and even pay the $20 for the first year of your Amsoil Preferred Membership.

Why ??? Because You are a great asset to this site !

Amsoil Preferred Customers purchase AMSOIL products at wholesale cost.

Amsoil Preferred Customer Memberships are recommended for people who want the lowest possible prices on the best lubrication and filtration products for their vehicles and equipment.

Preferred Customers pay the same low prices for Amsoil products that Amsoil Dealers pay.

For everyone else ...

Ten dollars ($10) gets you a six-month trial Amsoil Preferred Customer membership for buying Amsoil products at wholesale prices. Preferred Customer memberships may be renewed indefinitely for only $20/year. Preferred Customers receive an information kit on AMSOIL products, an Air and Oil Filter Application Guide, and the monthly Amsoil product, racing and application magazine, the Amsoil Action News.
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Larry ... if you are interested let me know.

Everyone else ... if you would like to request a FREE Amsoil Catalog simply click the following link.



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4/10/2004
13:18:09

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Larry, Here is the information on your Dakota. I am certain that you know this information ... I am posting should someone have a similar truck.

1995 DODGE DAKOTA 3.9L 6-cyl VIN Code X

FILTERS

Oil Filter ......... SDF42
Oil Vapor Filter ... CB27
Air Filter ......... TS23
Fuel Filter ........ N/S
PCV Valve .......... HV169
Trans .............. TF42

Amsoil offers BOSCH SPARK PLUGS

All submodels

Wire ...... B09713
Plug ...... B4418

Amsoil offers BOSCH WIPER BLADES

Driver side ......... B40918
Passenger side ...... B40918

CHASSIS LUBRICATION

Four-wheel drive

17 Fittings, 0 Plugs .......... LB
Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Grease (GRG)

Two-wheel drive

6 Fittings, 0 Plugs .......... LB
Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Grease (GRG)

LUBRICANTS & FLUIDS

Engine Oil, Grade 1 ...... API*
Amsoil Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil (TSO)
Amsoil SAE 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil (ATM)

Above 0F ...... 10W-30[1]
Below 32F ...... 5W-30

Manual Transmission,NV3500 ..... GLS[2]
Amsoil SAE 5W-30 SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL (ASL)
Amsoil Series 3000 Synthetic 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel Oil (HDD)

Manual Transmission,AX15 ..... GL-5
Amsoil 75W-90

Automatic Transmission ..... AP4[3]
Amsoil Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF)

Differential, ..... GL-5
Amsoil 80W-90, 80W-140, 85W-140
Amsoil Series 2000 Synthetic Gear Lube (TGO)

Differential, Front ..... GL-5
Amsoil 80W-90, 80W-140, 85W-140
Amsoil Series 2000 Synthetic Gear Lube (TGO)

Controlled Slip Differential, Rear ..... GL-5*[4][5]
Amsoil 80W-90

Transfer Case, ..... AF3
Amsoil Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF)

Transfer Case, ..... AP3
Amsoil Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF)

Fluids

Power Steering Fluid ..... PS
Power Steering Fluid - Not Available Through Amsoil

Brake Fluid ..... HB
Hydraulic Brake Fluid, DOT-3, DOT-4 or SAE J1703
- Not Available Through Amsoil

Clutch Fluid ..... HB
Hydraulic Brake Fluid, DOT-3, DOT-4 or SAE J1703
- Not Available Through Amsoil

1. 10W-30 is preferred.
2. GLS is a special gear lube, Mopar part no. 04874464.
3. Daimler Chrysler Corp. recommends that all vehicles with Chrysler automatic transmissions be serviced with ATF+4 Automatic Transmission Fluid.
4. CS IDENTIFICATION: Lift both rear wheels, turn a wheel and other will rotate in same direction.
5. W/ Cs, add 6.5% Mopar Trac-loc additive.

CAPACITIES

Engine, with filter ............... 4.0 quarts[1]
Cooling System, Initial Fill ...... 14.0 quarts
Automatic Transmission, Initial Fill .......... 4.0 quarts[2]
Automatic Transmission, Total Fill
4 speed .......... 10.0 quarts
Manual Transmission, NV3500 .......... 4.2 pints
Manual Transmission, AX-15 .......... 6.5 pints
Differential, with 7.25 ring gear Rear .......... 3.0 pints
Differential, Front .......... 3.0 pints[3]
Differential, with 8.25 ring gear Rear .......... 4.4 pints
Differential, with 9.25 ring gear Rear .......... 4.9 pints
Transfer Case,NV231 .......... 2.5 pints
Transfer Case,NP241 W/ Dsl .......... 6.5 pints

1. After refill check oil level
2. With engine automatic transmission operating temperature, shift through all gears. Check fluid level in NEUTRAL and add fluid as needed.
3. Fill no higher than 1/2 to 5/8 inch below fill plug.

TORQUES

Oil Drain Plug ..... 20 ft-lbs
Oil Drain Plug ..... 25 ft-lbs

Transfer case
Fill Plug ..... 35 ft-lbs
Drain Plug .... 35 ft-lbs

Manual Transmission AX-15
Fill Plug ..... 27 ft-lbs
Drain Plug .... 27 ft-lbs

Manual Transmission NV3500
Fill Plug ..... 14-20 ft-lbs
Drain Plug .... 14-20 ft-lbs
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4/10/2004
14:27:40

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Larry, This link has the actual size of the filters. Just a differance in capacity. The bigger the better, if they have the clearance. Look at section "B".

http://www.amsoil.com/bypassfilters/instructions/bmk13.htm



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4/10/2004
17:36:22

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Larry,

A non-Amsoil Dealer will only suggest you visit the
Amsoil homepage and never provides you with real information.

There is MORE to old442's answer of "capacity" difference.

FALSE -- "Bigger" does NOT mean better !

1) The SDF 42 oil filter is same size as OEM. I believe there are longer/deeper versions for the engine in question ... but trust me ... the SDF 42 is more than sufficient for your needs (rated to the 12.5k mile max. or 6 mo interval).

2) when you go outside the recommended size (SDF 42) I am afraid that you are you own to find out what fits, ... never a guarantee.

3) The "length" dimensions of the SDF-42, 96, 15 and even the 26 are below.

All 4 are about 3.72" Outside Diameter, ...

Amsoil SDF 42 = 3.966" long
Amsoil SDF 96 = 4.336" long
Amsoil SDF 15 = 5.726" long
Amsoil SDF 26 = 7.125" long

And of course all have 3/4"-16 threads.

Are you looking for a larger filter to help lower your operating temperatures? If so, using the SDF 96 would not have much of an effect --- maybe one of the longer versions would drop it by a few degrees.

You could either measure around the current filter and see how much clearance for additional length, or buy an SDF-96 next change, it should
fit with ease (less than 4/10th of an inch longer). Then check again to see how much room you have, lengthwise.

Don't compromise and allow the filter to be in a position where it might be too long and be at risk for damage if struck. OK?

Contrary to what old442 stated ... I believe the specs are about the same among the filters except for the length. Concern would be clearance problems. To be sure, you will have to make a measurement for the clearance on the engine.

Yes, The SDF-96 has more media --- but the specs are almost identical --- so why pay more. (Believe it or not, some manufacturers use the same media in all size filters --- and in the filters that have MORE media --- in many cases they are MORE restrictive).

Question to myself ... is more media what we want, or is it proper flow and filtration? Answer: Flow and Filtration !!!

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Concerns of using an Oversized Filter:

A lot of people are using carefully selected oversized filters in their vehicles in order to get a bit more capacity. The key is to balance capacity with flow and filtration. Flow and Filtration are more important.

Physical Clearance --- If your filter is located near any moving parts like suspension arms --- you have to make sure that you have clearance when the suspension moves.

When making any filter substitutions, you should always make sure that there is sufficient clearance to install and remove the filter ... and that it doesn't hit anything as the engine moves on its mounts.

You should also make sure the filter doesn't hang significantly below the engine, where it may be impacted by the road, or anything on the road or in the woods ... when you off-road. This is not always easily accomplished because your engine will move as it rev's and as your vehicle travels over the bumps and potholes of the highway or off-road. Does the oil filter stick out under the engine? If so, a longer filter can be much more susceptible to rock and curb damage.

The final issue is bypass valve setting. Using any filter that is not within specifications with OEM may cause you to have either lower oil pressure or higher oil pressure depending upon the manufacturer.

BOTTOM LINE FOR EVERYONE: USE CAUTION.

Let me know if I can be of any service.



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4/10/2004
19:04:50

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The 96 was listed for a 1988 ram 250 318 5.2

Yes I am looking for more flow capacity for my
new stroked motor it will be running between
3000 and 6000 rpm running between 80 to 100 psi
on the high volume high output pump with a releave
spring rated at 100 psi

2200 stall converter and will have 4.10 gears
behind it and we have fabed a 6 Qt pan and diff
pick up tube.

I have been using the Wix for the 88 ram 250 318
its longer than stock I will mesure I think the
96 is what I am looking for, just enough room to
get a filter wrench on any longer would be a pain
to change at the 2000 mile intervals on the new
motor.

It will be run the first 2000 with castoil GTX for
breakin than to Amsoil

Should be ready within a month to drop in.

Larry
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4/10/2004
20:20:00

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DEAR Steve

Please take a closer look at the link I displayed, that is not the home-page. You should know that by now. (LOL) It is deeper into the site under a subdirectory for bypass filters.

I did not go into great detail because Larry is very capable of reading the information on his own. I value every post Larry offers even when it does not deal with what I am currently working on on my Dakota.

The filter media is the same, just more of it. I'm sure Larry is capable of selecting the physical size that will fit the location on his vehicle with well over 30 years experience as a mechanic.

Every by-pass system I have seen installed has the larger full flow filters along with the by-pass filter. The amsoil site would not have the selection listed if it was a problem. Please stop taking other peoples post and making them look incorrect.

At one time I valued your expertise but no longer.

I made one post and you are all over it like stink on sh$t.

Larry's distributor had a death in the family and is maybe temporarily out of his normal work routine.

You want to move in on another distributors current client??? By offering to pay his annual membership fee??? WOW, talk about showing your true colors.

Anyone can call the 800 number and place an order under his current distributor and he will received the proper discount and the current distributor will receive what belongs to him.

Greedy people p$ss me off.




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4/10/2004
20:50:48

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old442,

I did not mean for things to become confrontational.

I provided for Larry what he requested -------
Dimensions/Prices/Specs/My .02 -- Not just a link.

Yes -- I got a little pee-d to be sure. Often people ask me specific questions and someone else simply posts www.amsoil.com.
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I was not trying to "steal" a client from an existing Amsoil Dealer. Amsoil will NOT let Dealers steal clients. A client is a client for life.

I was under the assumption based on earlier posts from Larry that he "picked up" his Amsoil --- perhaps from a retail location. If Larry could not locate his local "retail" dealer --- perhaps the Dealer moved on after the death of his father --- then I was offering my services.

Sorry that it did not come out that way. I was wrong to make that offer without thinking. It came out of my mouth because I was the person that told Mark (the owner of www.DodgeDakotas.com --- to offer Larry a Free Membership to this site because of all of the valuable free advice he offered). I was following along those same lines (free membership) without thinking. My sincere apology!

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For the record --- Amsoil does not have any clients/customers. Even if someone visits the Amsoil Website or calls the 800# and has never ordered Amsoil before --- their account is assigned to an anonymous Amsoil Dealer somewhere in their State or their region. Always better to deal with the enemy you know rather than the enemy you don't ; - )
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4/11/2004
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More of the same, what a shabby way to do business.

As soon as Amsoil becomes factory fill in the worlds best cars, then maybe I'll switch......NOT



Darryl



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4/11/2004
09:44:05

Amsoil Factory Fill = on the shelf - every country
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Thank You Darryl,

"Factory Fill" is a "give away" program by "big oil" ... sometimes offered at below their cost. Then the little stickers and the oil fill cap say "we recommend brand _"x"_ ". Only a multi-multi-million dollar conglomerate could afford to give oil away at a loss.

Porsche and Mercedes did approach Amsoil about being factory fill. Amsoil could not satisfy their R.F.P. (Request for Proposal) because whatever oil was "factory fill" had to be readily available "on the shelf" and in every country where they sell their vehicles. Amsoil is not readily available "on the shelf" ... nor is it available in every country where they sell vehicles. In conclusion ... Amsoil will never be "factory fill" --- and we don't care to be.
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4/11/2004
10:19:50

Amsoil - 1988 DODGE RAMCHARGER 5.2L V8 - Amsoil
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Larry, I'm certain you know this ...

1988 DODGE RAMCHARGER 5.2L 8-cyl VIN Code Y

Amsoil Oil Filter ...... SDF96 (you were correct)

Engine Oil --Grade 1 ...... API*

Amsoil Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil (TSO)
Amsoil SAE 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil (ATM)
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... and depending upon clearance issues all the following might work:

All are about 3.72" Outside Diameter, ...

Amsoil SDF-42 = 3.966" long
Amsoil SDF-96 = 4.336" long
Amsoil SDF-15 = 5.726" long

The SDF-15 is lised as an "oversized filter" to begin with.

The "oversized" Amsoil SDF-96 is a shorter version of the SDF-15.
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For the Dakota owners that want an "oversized filter":

If the recommendation is for the Amsoil SDF-42, I believe the Amsoil SDF-96 increases the effective sump size by 0.5 quarts vs. the Amsoil SDF-42 (same size as OEM). This translates into the SDF-96 providing more filter capacity and reducing the pressure drop across the filter on cold starts. Also, the larger filter (SDF-96) should help lower your operating temperatures a few degrees.

Special Note: When using other that what is recommended -- The issue is bypass valve setting and oil pressure. Using any filter that is not within specifications with OEM may cause you to have either lower oil pressure or higher oil pressure depending upon the manufacturer.

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For those who have not been mechanics for 30 years:

The true meaning of "oversized" --- has little to do with "can size", and everything to do with "total media area" --- what is inside the can. A manufacturer might be able to increase their media area by 25% or more simply by doing some research, with no increase in the can size.

Warning: Believe it or not, some manufacturers use the same media in all size filters. Some manufacturers "cram" additional media into smaller cans so that they can advertise "more media" -- and in the filters where the include MORE media --- in many cases they are MORE restrictive. Be Aware!

We don't want to give the impression here that oversized filters are necessary. They are beneficial -- but most quality OEM "stock-size" filters will perform very well if changed regularly.
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4/11/2004
10:46:24

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Hey guys,

Life is to short to just look for trouble and pick
on each other.

Everyone has something to offer if you look close
enough there is good in all people.

I am under no obligation to any Amsoil dist this
guy is out of milwaukee and has a place up here
about 5 miles from me and gives me good prices
with no commitmint

I am sure he was devistated by his fathers death
as I was when I lost mine many years ago.

Steve gave me the info I needed to find the best
filter avalible for what I need it for running
80 to 100 psi through a bigger surface area will
give me more volume, better cooling and lubrication

Larry
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4/11/2004
14:53:15

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Thanks Larry for not being Pee-d off at me.

My concern was that you were ordering direct and paying "RETAIL". For all the FREE advice you have offered here I wanted to do whatever necessary to make certain that you were buying at "WHOLESALE" or "Amsoil Preferred Customer" prices. Right or Wrong --- It was a gesture on my part as a way to say THANKS !!!

That is all !!




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