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andys1960
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11/06/2003
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I saw on a recent post that amsoil makes a universal synthetic fluid for all automatic tramsmissions.how can one fluid work for all different manufactures when specfications are different each manufacturer.I would like to hear from some dakota oweners who have tried it and thier opinions.what is the price per quart?
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BILL GATES
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11/06/2003
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EVER HEAR OF BACKWARDS COMPATIABLE !!!!!!!
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andys1960
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11/06/2003
22:12:02
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nope never what does it mean?
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11/07/2003
06:52:43
|  Amsoil Synthetic Universal ATF
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AMSOIL SYNTHETIC UNIVERSAL ATF & AMSOIL ATF+4
Amsoil offered a second synthetic ATF, specifically for the ATF+4 applications, about four years ago. However it was only on the market for about a year before they were able to incorporate the unique friction modifier chemistry into the universal ATF. At that time, they discontinued this second ATF product.
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AMSOIL Synthetic Universal ATF
Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications:
Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4
AMSOIL synthetic automatic transmission fluid is a universal ATF designed to exceed nearly all foreign and domestic performance requirements. It improves fuel efficiency, reduces transmission temperatures by 20 to 50 degrees F and increases transmission life. Provides unsurpassed thermal stability and at least 3 times the life of conventional ATFs. Delivers maximum protection for towing and other severe-duty applications. Formulated with synthetic basestocks and the top-of-the-line additive package, AMSOIL ATF provides top performance, durability & efficiency.
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Key Benefits to You:
Cleaner transmission components, More efficient power transfer, Lower Transmission temperatures, Dramatically less transmission wear, Smoother cold temperature operation, Long drain intervals, Compatible Applications: Nearly all passenger cars (foreign & domestic), Nearly all light duty trucks (including Dodge Dakotas).
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There a number of folks who run Amsoil Universal Synthetic ATF --- in Dakota's (Member - BigBlue QC for one), in Dodge diesel pickups, in "LH" sedans like the Concorde and Dodge minivans, etc. It works just fine.
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Amsoil is NOT the only company offering multi-vehicle ATF. I simply believe that ours is better.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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fred
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11/07/2003
08:22:56
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Amsoil can reverse engineer any lubricant using an FT-IR and a Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR) machine.
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11/07/2003
08:39:07
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AMSOIL Synthetic Universal ATF is far superior to any group II base oil blended with hydro treated naphthenic oil. We use a premium additive chemistry that meets the static and dynamic coefficient of friction parameters to meet (and exceed) ATF+4 requirements. It also meets the coefficients of friction parameters for MERCON, MERCON V, DEXRON III, and Diamond SPIII.
All AMSOIL lubricants are designed to improve performance and increase protection to engine and transmission components. Chrysler developed the "+4" spec to "fix" an inherent chattering problem with the Chrysler transmissions. There are fluids that are far superior to Chryslers "+4" specs, including ours!
We didn’t just one day decide to make this claim just for the heck of it. This was very carefully researched and we have been developing superior fluids for over 30 years.
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Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog by clicking on the following link.
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andys1960
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11/07/2003
15:16:30
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ok steve sounds good.where can i buy this atf and how much does it cost per quart?
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11/07/2003
15:47:18
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Amsoil is available in some stores -- mostly high performance speciality shops -- that lean more towards quality (for building performance and race engines, or an owner that appreciates superior products) ... than to a "price point" retail store (i.e. Walmart, etc.). I do know quite a few NAPA Stores that carry Amsoil (my cousin's NAPA for one). Even retail locations operate as Independent Amsoil Dealers so there is no directory of locations.
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Mostly, Amsoil is available thruough Independent Dealers such as myself. Orders are placed either from the catalog (toll-free #) or from the online store when you visit my website (secure credit card orders can be placed direct from my website). If you would like a FREE catalog you can request one at my website by clicking the link at the bottom of this post.
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Amsoil has fourteen (14) distribution facilities, most located in the United States (including one in Hawaii), (2) in Canada, (1) in Puerto Rico, and (1) in New Zealand. Your order will be shipped UPS from the closest distribution facility and the shipping charges you see are what UPS charges Amsoil.
United States Warehouse Locations
Anchorage, AK, Mile 42 1/2 Glenn Hwy, HC05 Box 9639, Palmer, AK 99645
Orlando, FL, 3724 Silver Star Rd, Orlando, FL 32808
Chicago, IL, 295 Lincoln Ave, Bensenville, IL 60106
Dallas, TX, 2234 Commerce Dr., Arlington, TX 76011
Lancaster, PA, 1917A Olde Homestead Rd, Lancaster, PA 17601
Las Vegas, NV, 4545 N. Lamb Blvd., Unit C, Las Vegas, NV 89115
Portland, OR, 18379 SW Boones Ferry Rd, Building A, Portland, OR 97224
Richmond, VA, 5616 Charles City Circle, Richmond, VA 23231
Superior, WI, 2206 Winter St, Superior, WI 54880
Wichita, KS,3800 West 29th St., Suite 5, Wichita, KS 67217
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CANADA DISTRIBUTION CENTERS
Toronto, ON, 6625 Tomken Rd., Units 12-14, Mississauga, ON L5T 2C2
Edmonton, AB, 14543-121 A Ave., Edmonton, AB T5L 2T2
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PUERTO RICO DISTRIBUTION CENTER
Carolina, PR, AMSOIL Distribution Center, Roberto Clemente Avenue, 117A #2,
Villa Carolina, Carolina, Puerto Rico 00985
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NEW ZEALAND DISTRIBUTION CENTER
Auckland, NZ, AMSOIL Distribution Centre,
3/1 Binsted Rd., New Lynn, Auckland, NZ
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P.S. FOR MILITARY PERSONNEL STATIONED OVERSEAS. AMSOIL SHIPPING CHARGES ARE CALCULATED ONLY AS FAR AS THE U.S. COASTLINE. THE BALANCE IS PAID FOR BY UNCLE SAM.
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To request a FREE Amsoil Catalog click the following link.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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11/07/2003
16:14:51
| Amsoil Synthetic Universal ATF - Retail Pricing
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Amsoil Synthetic Universal ATF --- Retail Pricing
(preferred customers receive discounted pricing of approximately 20%)
Product Codes - Quantity/Size - Retail Pricing
ATF-QT - (1) quart bottle ------------ $7.80
ATF-01 - (12) quart bottles --------- $92.40
ATF-TP - (1) 2 1/2-gallon bottle ---- $74.25
ATF-05 - (2) 2 1/2-gallon bottles - $146.50
ATF-30 - (1) 30-gallon drum ------- $689.00
ATF-55 - (1) 55-gallon drum ----- $1,181.00
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Hub
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11/07/2003
20:40:24
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Useing any universal transmission fluid will void your Chrysley Warrenty if you are still covered. Universal means lower inventory costs for the manufactor, distributor and retail. It certainly does not mean it is superior. Buy ATF +4 from the dealer for less, get the right friction level. I am not saying that universal fluids may not do the job. But if I were driving to the moon, I would want ATF +4 in there.
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andys1960
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11/07/2003
21:41:54
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if sythetic atf lasts up to three times as long as conventional atf doesn't the filter still need changing at the normal intervals?
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w
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11/07/2003
22:46:25
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Hub,
Do a search on this site for Amsoil ATF Warranty.
I read it. The manufacturer can not deny warranty.
Also, i've seen other universal atf's on the shelf
besides Amsoil.
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Hub
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11/07/2003
23:01:29
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There are several universal atf's on the shelf. The majority are Dexron lll with additive. This is specifically not recommended by Chrysler. ATF +4 has been available from Chrysler for about three years. It is not available from any other manufacturer at the current time. It is proprietary. It is specifically recommended by Chrysler.
These other products may perform as well or better but who wants to argue with Chrysler if you have a problem. Who will pay for the repairs or your legal bill.
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DSW
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11/08/2003
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I have had Amsoil Universal ATF in my 4.7 00 Dak for about 20K and have had no problems. Didn't notice anything like different shift characteristics or convertor shutter, looks like it does what it's supposed to. The truck has 108K on it and if this stuff hurt a DC tranny I would think mine would be dead by now.
When I changed my ATF last time Dodge wanted $7+ a qt for ATF+4. Amsoil ATF was only $5-6 a qt with their preferred membership. I got 5 gallons to flush out the trans and also did the P/S system, with a gallon or so to spare. I couldn't beleive how bad the P/S fluid looked when I drained the reservoir and rack/pinion unit, brown and burnt.
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11/08/2003
17:05:08
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Thank you DSW!
ATF+4 is the latest version of Dodge/Chrysler ATF. Dodge realized that their transmissions were weak (as per my cousin and bro-in-law that own Dodge Dealerships) and they had to reformulate their ATF many times so that the transmissions worked properly.
My cousin that owns a Dodge Dealershsip also owns a NAPA store and carries (and recommends) Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants to his clients. His Amsoil display is one of the largest displays on his floor --- and he has recommended Amsoil ATF to dozens of Dakota owners.
Amsoil Synthetic Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid. Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications:
Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4
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For the Record (and to clear the air):
Maybe this helps ... and if it is not applicable to your situation ... maybe you will find it to be good reading.
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Chrysler went from ATF+ (MS 7176B) to ATF+4 in less than ten years. Essentially they were trying to make up for shifting problems in some of their transmissions by "tweaking" the frictional properties of their fluid rather than recalling the affected units. The ATF+4 fluid does seem to have solved the problems with some of the transmissions from the mid 1990's.
However, I know many Dodge owners that have noticeable and significant improvements switching to Amsoil Universal Synthetic ATF. They state that the transmission characteristics are better than when it was new. Yes we all know ... transmissions from different manufacturers use various types of clutch pack materials. So ... is it possible to formulate a single fluid that will behave differently in GM, Ford and Chrysler transmissions? The specifications for friction characteristics are for how the fluid behaves in the particular application, given the types of materials used in that transmission. They are not the stand alone properties of the fluid, which is where I think the misunderstanding comes in.
Amsoil Universal Synthetic ATF is truely "Universal"
REPEAT: Amsoil did offer a Synthetic ATF specifically for ATF +3/+4 applications about 3-4 years ago. However once they were able to integrate this additive chemistry into their Dexron/Mercon formulation, they discontinued making this second fluid.
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7/26/2004
10:47:51
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Borrowed from another forum:
Every time I read about Amsoil ATF there are always a few who Say "no way can one ATF cover all those applications!!" but yet so many people, myself included, have used Amsoil's ATF with outstanding results.
Now Schaeffers new 204s is claiming the same thing as Amsoil, "a universal ATF for many applications, including ATF + 4" but I don't hear all the usual "there is no way a single ATF can cover all those applications".
I'm not making fun of Schaeffers, they make excellent products; but I do think it's funny that if Amsoil does something it's just a MLM scam or good luck with your warranty (but if it is anyone else it is accepted by the consumer, and A-Okay!). In my opion as a mechanic, most of the oil companies out there are just playing catch up. As Amsoil has said in the past "Been there done that".
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barrel
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7/26/2004
14:31:11
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my P/S fluid is brown & burnt too. I would like to replace it with syn ATF. What's the easiest way to drain the rack and reservoir?
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DSW
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7/27/2004
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Disconnect the flared fittings at the rack and the low pressure pump hose, let it drain, work the wheels from lock to lock (with the engine off) and it will dump more out. Connect the fittings back up and fill the P/S unit with ATF+3 or ATF+4, start the truck and top off the P/S pump. Work the steering wheel from lock to lock 20-30 times to get the new fluid circulated and flush out the old funky stuff. Your 1/2 done now since you have drained out the bad stuff and flushed the remaining bad fluid into the ATF you just added.
Drain the P/S system again and this time fill it up with AMSOIL ATF. Your good to go and there is very little old burned up fluid mixing with your new Amsoil ATF.
This is the procedure I followed and the Amsoil ATF (power steering fluid He He) looks great after 50K.
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barrel
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7/28/2004
09:17:44
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thx for the response
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J and J Auto
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7/29/2004
01:47:22
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As a shop owner I can tell you what we use in the
dodge trucks
Amsoil universal sythetic
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Chrysler ATF+4
ONLY
no dextron or cheap walmart fluids in these trans
The Amsoil works excellent in these transmissions
they run about 30 to 50 degrees cooler with the
amsoil iver the chrsler +4 and operate smother
And they are about the same price with the +4
also being a synthetic fluid
I have 98,000 on my 95 Dak always ran amsoil and
have customers with over 250,000 on thers running
amsoil and no problems what so ever and all also
noticed smother operatin with the amsoil
Its Good Stuff Put It In and enjoy many miles
of trouble free driving as we all do
Larry
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don
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7/29/2004
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i was looking to lower the ride of my dakota to give it more of the R/T look i found a coil spring kit that will lower it 2inch in front but i want to know how to lower the rear? any suggestions?
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