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Joe
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7/26/2003
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I have some rear dif fluid (2 quarts, hope its enough, couldnt find specs anywhere), and some ATF. Im thinking of putting it in my car's and truck's engine sometime soon (already put Redline MTL in my car's transaxle). I was just wondering what everyone who's bought it thinks about it. I know they have the oil analysis in you're planning on using it all year, but couldnt you just look at it like you can normal oil?
What have you all noticed out of it? More mpg, smoother, quieter??? I just spent $50 on it, and am hesitant about spending $100 more to do both my vehicle's engines. Its one of those things that sound too good to be true.
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J and J Auto
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7/26/2003
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I run all Amsoil, Eng, trans, rear's I even grease
it with the Amsoil grease with moly and to this
day 86,000 miles have not had to replace any front
end parts.
It does seam to help purformance, gas milage is
hard to tell I have so many mods and am stroked.
I checked overall 1014 miles I got 21.8 my last
check just last night 90% highway I got 22.4 and
this is a 4X4
I change the filter every 3000 and oil and filter
every 6000
I am going to try one of the K&N oil filters
next time they are suposed to run the full
6000 miles according to our local Amsoil guy.
Larry
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Joe
Dodge Dakota
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7/26/2003
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Larry, are you not a faithful believer in amsoil. If I end up putting it in my engine, I plan on changing the oil every year and the filter twice a year. But it will depend on what the oil looks like. Thanks
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7/26/2003
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Joe,
Let’s address the benefits of, and performance gain ... using Synthetic Lubricants. Increased performance is a subjective benefit, but it can be actually measured in numerous ways:
Better cold weather starting due to lower pour points.
Cooler running at high temperatures and under severe conditions. This requires measurement of operating temperatures when using petroleum lubricants and then synthetic lubricants in the same equipment under identical conditions. A controlled test is needed to demonstrate this, and it has been proven by Amsoil and others when testing synthetics in general. Most users are able to actually see the difference in their engine and transmission operating temperatures when running under similar conditions.
Less component wear, as AMSOIL and others have demonstrated that synthetics offer as compared to petroleum. Usually this is only apparent to the end user when comparing oil analysis reports and comparing the wear metals in parts per million per mile when using synthetics vs. petroleum in the same vehicle. Certainly after many miles of use there would be a visual difference in wear in a controlled comparison of two similar engines, transmissions, or differentials.
More horsepower as demonstrated on dynameter tests comparing AMSOIL products with petroleum oils and other synthetics.
Reduced oil consumption as experienced by nearly everyone using synthetics due to lower volatility.
Reduced emissions, also due to lower volatility, but not generally noticeable by the typical consumer. And there are others. Most of these performance benefits require close scrutiny by a consumer, or a controlled test to demonstrate quantitatively.
Fuel economy can also be very difficult for the consumer to accurately gauge. Once again, it has been proven by AMSOIL and others, through use of industry accepted fuel economy tests, field demonstrations, and as witnessed by most of our customers .... that switching to synthetics DO IN FACT show a fuel economy increase = better MPG.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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7/26/2003
13:12:04
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Joe,
I try to be very clear when talking about extended drains using Amsoil. 10,000 mile oil change is absolutely possible. Up to a 25,000 mile interval is possible under certain conditions, but please read further for additional information. But the KEY here is that --- The 3,000 mile recommendation is overkill, especially with superior synthetic oils.
I know it's hard to believe, but there are a few things that I would like to clarify. Amsoil has been in the oil industry for 30 years. Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST, changing the filter every six months).
However, the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle is NOT an absolute! One must realize that is for non-severe service (highway miles where you have stable operating conditions) and that the indicated drain interval also has a time period of 1 year maximum as well.
***** READ THIS PLEASE EVERYONE: Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 3k miles , then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k then 12-15k changes would be alright based on driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change). Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL SDF Oil Filters must be changed at least every 6 months regardless of miles driven.
Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals.
Notice: More frequent service may be required under severe service operating conditions.
Notice: For drain interval beyond 3x manufacturers recommendations (especially the 25k change) ---
Regular oil analysis is recommended for establishing drain intervals.
AMSOIL --- 30 years of manufacturing oil and mountains of data and tests make these clains possible.
Let me know if you need additional information.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Joe
Dodge Dakota
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7/26/2003
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So, will 2 quarts be enough for the rear end??? Larry, a KN is more expensive than the Amguard, so why not it. Probably a big hassle, I figure it'll be a month before my fluids come in because I ordered the Amsoil catalog twice, first time was over a month ago. At least I now Amsoil exists, unless you(Larry) are a part of the conspiracy!?!
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Scott
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7/26/2003
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I know Amsoil exist, they sell it locally at a CarQuest store. Im considering getting in as a dealer, simply to save a little cash since my initial purchase will be large..but yes, it exist, and Amsoil does SUCK about sending stuff out, I ordered a catalog and some other info 3 weeks ago, havent seen a thing
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JayDogg
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7/26/2003
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My dad is an amsoil dealer and we run amsoil in everything we own. You can not go wrong with amsoil. You might pay more for it, but you will save a lot in the long run, trust me. I use it in my four-wheeler, my dirtbike, my dakota, my father's ram, my moms avenger, and my friends YZ250F, and have not had any problems whatsoever. It produces less friction, therefore you will gain a little performance too. It is the sweet necter of life.
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J and J Auto
Dodge Dakota
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7/27/2003
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Yes 2 Qts is enough to change the rear end.
If you want to order your amsoil online go to
there website.
http://intershop.amsoil.com/cgi-bin/Amsoil.storefront?zo=530019
I got mine in 4 days its located in superier
wisconsin. But now I found out a guy up here
has an amsoil dist and I get it from him now.
Most of the stuff he keeps in stock.
Larry
J&J Auto
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DakotaEnthusiast
7/27/2003
14:23:40
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Scott,
Your Comment: "I ordered a catalog and some
other info 3 weeks ago, havent seen a thing" ...
How and where did you order your catalog? From Amsoil Direct, from an Independent Dealer? I know that I personally receive about 20 catalog requests each day, so Amsoil Corporate must receive hundreds if not thousands. It is my job to then forward the information to Amsoil Corporate, who then put it into their system. This whole process requires the entry of the information three times. Sometimes ... mistakes are made and the catalog is not shipped to the correct address. Let me know if I can help.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Joe
Dodge Dakota
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7/27/2003
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Its no big deal. I just wanted to read everything in writing but ended up spending a lot of time on the website. I like reading the testimonials, but there are only a couple that aren't race cars.
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gg
Dodge Dakota
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7/27/2003
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i just orderd my catalog of this site ,so i will have to order 3 times to get my catalog
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7/27/2003
14:48:20
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Joe,
Here is a Testimonial ...
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AMSOIL Races Against Drugs
AMSOIL is the proud sponsor of Race Against Drugs, a program developed by American Motorsports to assist with drug education in America. Race Against Drugs travels nationwide to inform children about the marvels of drug abuse. Race Against Drugs appears at race tracks (NASCAR, CART, IRL, APBA and others), community events (schools, shopping malls, parades and drug prevention rallies), trade shows (PRI, Circle Track and SEMA) and conferences (International Association of Chiefs of Police, Executive Offices Weed & Seed and the National Prevention Network).
Scott Steger, the deputy director of the organizations writes:
“On behalf of all of us at Race Against Drugs, I would like to thank AMSOIL for the support. I am sure you are constantly complimented on the superiority of your products in racing, passenger and fleet use situations. In the past year, we at RAD have logged over 450,000 miles in our towing vehicles using your products to lubricate engines, transmissions, rear ends and more. Not one of our trucks has suffered down time due in part to your fine products and your willingness to assist with the program."
The Race Against Drugs Tide boat.
The Race Against Drugs Tide race car.
"When we travel we are constantly asked about AMSOIL and why we choose to use your product instead of others. The answer is simple: superior quality, reliability, technical support, and your company’s commitment to preventing our young people from becoming involved in drug abuse."
Check out the Race Against Drugs website for information about the organization and a schedule of future appearances. Find the homepage at: www.raceagainstdrugs.org
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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scott
Dodge Dakota
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7/27/2003
14:54:17
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Steven
I ordered it direct from Amsoil. I do understand that things take time, but customer service should be of utmost importance. I dont have much doubt in the quality of the product, just wonder if it takes so long to get info, if I ever were to encounter a problem, or need help in any fashion, would it take a year for Corporate to respond. Honesty being what it is, I must say tho, I emailed Amsoil about the usage of the ATF in my DAk (ATF+3 req} and received a response the day after telling me that not only was it safe to use, it would safely mix with the conventional fluid left behind(doing a pan drop/filter change only} since I'm not smart enough to know how to flush the whole system and dont really need the hassle of removing the tranny cooler lines, wondering which is the in or out, and hoping I had enough fluid going in fast enough to replace the fluid loss from the lines to keep from burning it up, since the vehicle must be runnning to flush it this way. I do have the names of a few dealers in my local area however, so I will be contacting one of them shortly to go ahead with my dealer paperwork. Thanks for your help and concerns though
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DakotaEnthusiast
7/27/2003
14:54:22
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No gg,
To Clarify my comments ...
"This whole process (catalog request) requires the entry of the information three times"
You input your information and I receive it. (1)
I input it into my system and forward to Amsoil Corporate. (2)
Amsoil Corporate inputs your info into their database. (3)
Three times input ... Three humans are involved ... Three opportunities to wrongly input the address ... and that is why sometimes catalogs do not arrive ... Human Error.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Joe
Dodge Dakota
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7/27/2003
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Customer service seems very good so far. You can see that yourself by this post. Every question Ive asked has been answered quickly. Its just the whole catalog ordeal. Is amsoil cutting overhead? It seems it would be computerized, but going through three people explains it. I changed my tranny fluid not too long ago, bout 10k, but didnt adjust the bands. So I bought another gasket and filter ($5) and now ordered amsoil. I dont feel it was a big waste though. The fluid w/10k on it probably cleaned it up some getting it ready for the Amsoil. There's always a way to look at the good side, or I wasted $15, an hour or so of my time, and the trauma of tranny fluid in my hair that refused to come out.
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jerry
Dodge Dakota
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7/27/2003
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Steven, Do you see Amsoil going to the full retail market at some point or will they mainly stay as order only company? I rarely see the stuff on the shelf. I want to see it at Autozone, Pepboys and other major retailers. M1 is the only true syn lube on the shelf...thats not good. Amsoil told me they are adding more and more stores to the list that will carry Amsoil.
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Shane
Dodge Dakota
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7/27/2003
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GI Joes and NAPA stores near me carry Amsoil.
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7/28/2003
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Jerry,
Amsoil was incorporated 30 years ago and did not have a sufficient budget to sell national on every level, so they chose what worked for them at the time - a Direct Marketing System using Independent Dealers. If they were entering the market today they would probably pick a different course. Access to Venture Capital and the Stock Markets would give them access to the capital they would need for a different corporate structure.
The reason Amsoil is not on-the-shelf in more retail locations, is that they will not sell to retail stores for less then they sell to their Independent Dealers. All the Quickie Lubes and Auto Parts Stores you see carrying Amsoil are being signed up by Independent Dealers to be retail accounts.
In the next few years, I think you'll see Amsoil become much more widely available. If US manufacturers start recommending significantly longer drain intervals, I really think the extended drain synthetics will capture much greater market share. As you know, this is where Amsoil excells.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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akaproph
Dodge Dakota
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7/28/2003
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J and J bottom line is this oil worth it? I trust your opinion
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J and J Auto
Dodge Dakota
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7/28/2003
09:01:53
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I would say yes the oil is worth the money.
If you think about it and read the history of were
it was used and developed.
It kept all the jet engines with there major
stress and heat alive it sure will keep a street
motor alive.
Less friction means less heat and wear on internal
parts, we run it in all our vehicles and have no
complaints at all, on the 4X4's we own it even
gave them a little better performance and gas
milage
Larry
J&J Auto
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Bill1969
Dodge Dakota
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7/29/2003
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NAPA stores near me carry Amsoil.
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Joe
Dodge Dakota
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7/29/2003
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I just finished putting amsoil atf in and i adjusted the band in the pan to 6ft-lbs. I have 138k miles and it shifts very nice now. I also adjusted the TV cable a bit. I still need to adjust the kickdown band. just waiting for it to cool off.
Funny thing, I only got the atf today. They didnt send me the rear dif fluid..
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