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Steven
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11/25/2002
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I have an 87 3.9l 4x4. I would like to swap a v8 in it. Anybody do this yet? If so please reply. I would like to talk.
Thanks, Steven.
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MoparDude340
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11/25/2002
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Currently, there are only kits for "2WD". There isn't enough room in a 4X4 for an 8.
Later,
'98 3.9 RC... A few mods... ;-)
'88 340 RC... I'll never tell... Okay, I might... ;-)
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Steven
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thanks for the info mopardude340.
I will have to suffer............
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88 SC DAK
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11/25/2002
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Hey Mopardude what interfering with a V8 in a 4x4. Just asking didn't think there was that much difference in the engine compartment.
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kracker
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11/25/2002
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I hope theirs a way, cuz thats what I wanna do with my 91, If not, Ill just rebuild the 3.9
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spitfire9137
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11/25/2002
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With the 4 wheel dirve you have a transfer shaft to the front axle. The V8 is too big to fit in to the engine compartment with the front axle stuff.
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John RT/SE
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11/26/2002
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Correct me if I'm wrong but...
Hasn't the 5.2/4.7 V-8's been optional in 4wd Dakota's for a long time now???
John
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MoparDude340
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11/26/2002
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Steven... sorry you can't do the swap. There is a lot that you can do to that pre-mag 3.9 though. The only downside to hopping it up is that it's really hard to come across the parts, being that most of them are discontinued.
spitfire9137 is right with engine compartment problem.
John RT/SE... They didn't offer the V8 4x4 until the genII's. Yes the 5.2 (318) is old as dirt, just wasn't availible for the start of the dakota 4x4's. The 4.7's are only a couple years old though.
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'98 3.9 RC... A few mods... ;-)
'88 340 RC... I'll never tell... Okay, I might... ;-)
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88 SC DAK
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11/26/2002
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What's the difference between the gen 1 front end and the gen 2 front end. I can see the overall length being a problem in an early one, move the radiator forward and that's taken care of, but the not the height. In other words what does the front shaft hit. Thanks, Jim
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John RT/SE
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11/26/2002
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Thanks for the info MoparDude340! I'm new to the Dakota scene- still trying to learn about the diffences, similarities, etc...
Good choice with putting the 340 in the Dakota!! My 71 Road Runner is a 340/auto car; I have a 340 block for it, but with all the trouble I've been having trying to find a decent, affordable forged crank, I am just about ready to order a 4" stroker crank.
Not that the extra torque would hurt either in my big a$$ B-body car...
John
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MoparDude340
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11/27/2002
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Thanks John. The 340 came from my '73 Charger Rallye. I ran through the build sheet and all and the damn thing is 1 of 43. (maybe less if I sat down and narrowed it down to color, it having both mirrors.... you get the idea.) After I got the car, I ran all the numbers and the motor didn't match up. It is a 340, just not the one that was put in the car. Turns out, the original owner blew the motor up and had the dealer replace it back in '78. Being the tank that old school small block mopars are, I don't know how in the world he managed to blow it. Must of beat the hell out of it, followed by completely 0 maintence. Some people. Anyways, since it wasn't the right motor, I decided to yank it out and put it in that '88. I got a 383 I'm about to tear down to put in the Charger. I hear you about B-Bodies being so heavy. Hopfully I can get this 5400 lb Charger down into the high 10's or so.
88 SC DAK... The engine compartment on the genI's is too shallow. That's why a v8 won't fit with a 4x4. You could, but you need to make your own motor mounts. Get a costum hood, or use none at all, since the motor will be sitting to high for the stock hood. Angle your rears up to compensate. Cut and remold the floor for the tranny and transfer case. Get costum made CV driveshafts so you won't be braking universal joints every week. etc. etc... You get the idea.
Later,
'98 3.9 RC... A few mods... ;-)
'99 340 RC... I'll never tell... Okay, I might... ;-)
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james slenk
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12/01/2002
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try engine-swaps.com they have kits for 2wd and 4wd they say
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Steven
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12/01/2002
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thanks all for the info. I'm sure i will have more questions in the future.
Love my dakota!!!!!! Later
Steven
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MoparDude340
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12/02/2002
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James... engine-swaps.com only make the brackets for the 2wd's due to the room in the engine compartment. They didn't have anything for the 4wd when got my stuff from them for my '88. A buddy of mine was going to do the conversion on his 4wd. Unless they have a kit (I don't know how) now for the 4wd's that aren't listed on the site. Anyways, there are always ways to do whatever you have in your head to do. It's just a matter of time, money, and fabrication. Must of the wild autos out there are custom fabbed anyways.
Steven... good luck, and I hope you can figure out a way to pull it off.
Later,
'98 3.9 RC... A few mods... ;-)
'88 340 RC... I'll never tell... Okay, I might... ;-)
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David Barnes
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12/03/2002
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Hey Mopardude, I have a question for you. You seem to know your daks so I was wondering if you could help me out. I have a 93 4wd that I was thinking about putting a V8 in and was dissapointed to see your information. My dak has magnum on the air cleaner cover but I'm not sure it is. What's the best way to tell? It has throttle body injection but someone told me that the magnum was multiport, is that correct?
I would really like to wake it up but not sure what all I should do. Thanks for your time.
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Brent88
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12/03/2002
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mopardude thats bull. not to rain on your intelect but ive talked to a lot of people who have put 318's in gen 1 daks with a lot less mods than you say needs to be done. the 318 block is almost the same as a 3.9, its just longer and that requires you to use an electric pusher fan like carol shelby used on the gen 1 shelby daks. all the people that i talked to used the same motor mounts, cause again the blocks are a lot alike. the biggest hurdle ive heard is the oil pan, most people either mod'd it themselves, or had a shop do it. what about gen 2's with v8's, they have virtualy the same front end as we do and that v8 sits under that hood just fine.
didnt mean to break down your ego, just wanted to lift the spirits of my fellow dak owners who want to swap the engines. later
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92whitedak
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12/04/2002
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Brent: the 318 IS a 3.9L. It's just missing the rear two cylinders. Aside from that, width and height are both the exact same. I'm not sure about the mounts though. Like Mopardude says, everything is a possibility, just a matter of time, money, friends, and alcohol consumption. If a v8 is really all that important for you guys, stop your crying, slap your sticks in 2x4, cut out your front driveshafts, and drop a 440 until your heart sings. I still don't know about you 4x4 guys.... little flakey if you ask me.
92 dak, 72 road runner gtx.... BOTH 2wd ;)
-Fox Deacon
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Steven
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12/05/2002
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Hey FOX. U think 4x4 guys are flakey? Well you really have never gone off road ( Off the beaten Path, Try something New ) and thats sad. I bet your the type who like racing in a straight line. Try 4x4 some time and u might enjoy being vertical.
Happy holidays
Steve.
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92whitedak
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Steve, I actually used to 4x4 quite frequently back when I was a resident in Arizona. 89 GMC Custom Sierra 8.5" inch lift and 35s. I did enjoy it, there is no doubt about that. But to me, and I'm sure to some other people, having my vehicle thrown about only snap a driveshaft (as i've done), pop a spring perch, or crack an axle isn't the thrill I'm looking for. To set the record straight, yes, I do race in a straight line. I like speed, I like fast. Its the innate feeling of the world behind you. And if seventh grade math serves me correct, the shortest and fastest route between two points is a straight line. (not a mudfield or a road coarse).
-Fox Deacon
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Steve
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12/05/2002
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Hey Fox. Well at least we have Dakotas in common.
"Make the world a larger place by moving slower".
Happy Holidays.
Steve.
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Super Bee
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ok WTF are you talking about, there have been many peopel who put a 318 into a gen 1, a few 360s out there too
and there are very minor differences in the gen1/gen2 front ends
same axle, same locations ect
if you can get a lift kit for gen2 to fit a gen1 with a little owrk i think a v-8 can go in there as well
it HAS been done
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vern
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i had a 91 4x4 dak le a/c,cc,reg cab,factory 318
SO IF DODGE CAN DO IT SO CAN YOU!!!!
DON,T LET THESE GUYS TELL YOU DIFFERENT!!!!
just read some of the post on this sight.
the guy i sold the truck too would probally sell the truck,since he,s beat the sh_t out of it.
so if you want a v8 in your truck GO FOR IT
HAPPY TRUCK-IN
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vern
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hey super bee,howed you get your name did you or do have a super bee?
just wandering.i use too have 2 ,68 and 69 both 383s,68 auto ,69 4spd , they go like h-ll.
vern
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Super Bee
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no id ont have a superbee
i WISH i did
dreaming=me owning a 440 six pack or even a Hemi, doubt that would happen unless i got a SuperBee bodya nd stuck a new 426 in it, but if i were to do that why nit jsut go for the full 528 hemi and s/c it?
i would love even a 383 auto (lowest on list but hey, id still take it)
and i know a 318 will go into a genI, if you can pull one out of a 92+ with tranny it woul dbe ideal
not sure if the transfer case would take it, ill have to look around, or maybe walt or somone with a good knowlege can chime in
this is me jsut thinking, nothing serious planned
i would liek to have a motor and tranny and everything lined up to go if my motor dies and i actualy go through with it, so my truck would have a minimal down time
oh well
Dream on Super Bee, Dream on!
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vern
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super bee-the 383s pull good they run mid 14s qrt mile,on street tires,no mods and 3.23 gears,top out 140-145 clocked top speed.
i just rebuilt a 360 for a 89 dak 4x4 sport.waiting on the heads right now,having them milled,i,ve already ported them.hoping for 275-350hp when its all said and done
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SuperBee
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i REALLY hope your TC will hold up to the torque
and let us knwo how it goes
has anyone got a website of a 318 dropped into a genI?
lol, i know, id liek to have a 440, a Hemi, and a 383
LOL
anyone got a million dollars layin around to buy me cars?
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vern
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same transfer as in the 318s in the 91 daks
only time will tell
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Super Bee
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keep us informed, we havea gen1 thread ont he raised dak forums
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/raise/333-7.html
do you have a digital camera, i would love to see pics of the problems you encounter with that 360
i would be happy with a 318
but please do keep us informed
it would be killer if you ould make a webpage out of it
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SuperBee
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WE NEED UPDATES PEOPLE
AND PICTURES OF COMPLETED v-8 SWAPS IN GEN 1 DAKS
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Brandon
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TO anyone that came help me:
I have a 1995 dakota and I am putting a very very high performance 360 in the dakota. I need to know two things: one do i need a conversion kit and if i do where can i get it. and two I the truck came with a V6 will the flywheel work on the 360 or not and will I have to modifly or get a shorter drive shaft?
Thanx to anyone who came help me.
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Gen2dakotas4u
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I have a 98' dakota 4x4 with a 3.9, what is involved in swapping to a 5.2? will my present tranny work?
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