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Dogger
Dodge Dakota
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3/17/2006
11:24:11
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 Subject: Tranny this, tranny that.
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I have an older version of the Dodge Dakota. Its a 89', 6-cyclinder. I have been reading some posts on here that sounds like everyone is having some fun with there trucks... performance mods. :-) I'd be doing the same if this truck was a little newer. But what i wanted to ask was about tranny conditioning and maintenance.
I own a rebuilt tranny of about 90K+ miles on it. I have changed the fluids from the pan at pretty good intervals: one thirty-thousand, the rest at the twelve thousand mark. I always change the filter too. I added a towing sized tranny cooler and its the second one I have put on for this tranny - other one cracked at soldering joint at around 85K. Now, it starting to shudder a bit. Not at city driving or anything, but only under-load. Specifically, its when I have some larger payload than normal or I am going up a steep hill at a stop and step on it it rev its way through. It will shudder only at the shifting point and not bad or anything but I notice it - its the only weak point in the performance of this transmission.
From pulling the pan every 12K I do notice some dirty, blackish colored stuff on the magnet - pretty typical for it. And also there is some minor metal filings usually resting towards the center of the pan. I figure this is from my tranny, like I said shuddering under load.
Now, is there any places you are aware of on the internet or in books that would help me figure out where this metal filing is coming from and how to eliminate this shuddering. That would be ideal, however I do understand that is just might be the way it is, the way it shifts. But I am welcome to any ones comments and suggestions to what I mentioned and any information in addition to fixing this shuddering thing.
Please feel free to posting anything,
-Dogger
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Shatto
Dodge Dakota
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3/17/2006
14:30:07
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My experience is 500,000 miles on a 98 v6 automatic.
Use Amsoil ATF. Sometimes drain and add, sometimes reverse flush machine (14 qts), couple times trans shop dropped pan. All done around 14,000 miles.
Amsoil also does oil analysis. www.amsoil.com for technical info on products and other answers.
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vern
Dodge Dakota
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3/17/2006
15:39:42
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that shutter could be wrong trans fluid,
if your not running 3plus or better these trans will shutter
some fine metal [metallic]in the pan is normal,big pieces are not
valvalone and texaco make a 3plus for chrysler,
i have,nt used amsoil but most everyone on here say good things about it
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Dogger
Dodge Dakota
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3/17/2006
22:04:24
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shatto,
"My experience is 500,000 miles on a 98 v6 automatic."
I wish I had your luck at 100K when my first tranny went out. lol. But then again I wouldn't want to be sitting behind a steering wheel long enough to built that kind of mileage. (500,000).. EEK!!! =:O I'll try the synthetic fluids and see if she makes it!! LOL!
vern,
"that shutter could be wrong trans fluid,
if your not running 3plus or better these trans will shutter"
I have read that somewhere on this website and noted this against my service manual. Its written in 1989 ( the year of my truck )and it recommends to use a type other than what is recommended today. Guess my tranny was a victim of the learning curve - I don't think the first owner used ATF...?
Oh, and I am using ATF 3+.
"some fine metal [metallic]in the pan is normal,big pieces are not "
Okay, but do you know why I am even seeing'em? Or what conditions create the small pieces versus the big pieces? ( Like everybody else, I am trying to avoid the big pieces, thank you ;-)
I guess the beginners approach would be to use a synthetic fluid and forget about it. But I am digging for any info that would help get rid of any metal pieces at all, or at least minimize it. If you know any info that would help, please let me know.
-Dogger
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Scott C.
Dodge Dakota
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3/18/2006
16:42:48
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no matter how much you change your fluid your gonna see fine small particles of metal..... thats just what you call normal wear.... in the tranny there is a pump and it has a planatary gear which consist of metal gears... those gears are gonna wear and you'll see fine peices of metal cause of that.... no big deal....the dark residue you see is clutch meterial from the clutchs in the tranny which is also normal.... there is additive for the shutter problem cause the shuttering is coming from the torque converter when its placed under a load.... you can try useing the additive and i believe is called Dr. Shutter, its in a little red tube... or you can use a ATF +3 Synthetic trans fluid or 7176 Synthetic equlivilant fluid...
Scott C.
Royal Auto
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Dogger
Dodge Dakota
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3/19/2006
01:16:06
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["no matter how much you change your fluid your gonna see fine small particles of metal..... thats just what you call normal wear.... in the tranny there is a pump and it has a planatary gear which consist of metal gears... those gears are gonna wear and you'll see fine peices of metal cause of that.... no big deal....the dark residue you see is clutch meterial from the clutchs in the tranny which is also normal...."]
Thanks Scott for letting me know that. Its good reference to hear that from two people so far and upon reading some it sounds pretty crediable.
["there is additive for the shutter problem cause the shuttering is coming from the torque converter when its placed under a load.... you can try useing the additive and i believe is called Dr. Shutter, its in a little red tube... or you can use a ATF +3 Synthetic trans fluid or 7176 Synthetic equlivilant fluid..."]
I look into the additive. Right now maybe that would be a little cheaper than buying over 10 quarts of synthetic to flush my tranny. If not, I'll go with something cheap in sythetics.
Thanks,
-Dogger
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