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shdow
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2/16/2006
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I wrecked my 1998 3.9 ext cab dakota wed 9:30 am
going uphill at a off ramp had a sudden downpour rain shower went to brake the ABS failed and locked up and I hydroplaned into a Volvo going 50 one way was forced to T-bone I guess I was skidding at 20 the radiator got hit air bags failed too
I'm ok so is other guy My dog is ok too
I called Benz (Daimler Chrysler) they are going to send rep to look at truck they admitted a recall on the brake system
if any of you know a product liability attorney that might be intersted please email me at
vavco@yahoo.com
so ABS is potluck when you need it most
I tell you one thing the volvo is solid
the truck bounced off it
I need a new front grill and hood and 2 side quarter panels and radiator any sources on that please tell me
Be carefull People
^Shdow^
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shdow
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2/16/2006
05:41:37
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I forgot to mention
the cab bolts got bent I'm lucky they didn't snap
the cab would have separated
you can see that it is obvious I would say a good 1 inch sway bend point from the bed
it's another thing on the recall list
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GB2000
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2/16/2006
07:50:19
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ABS is only standard on the REAR wheels...therefore, your fronts will still lock up and you will skid.
The air bags go off only when the sensors are tripped...if you hit at an angle or hit a point where it doesn't set that sensor off, you're air bags aren't going to work. I bet if you'd hit a brick wall head on, you would have set both of them off (unless you had the passenger one set to 'off').
Honestly...it sounds like you were just going too fast for conditions.
Josh Blackshire - Founder, OhioDakotas.NET
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shdow
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2/16/2006
08:42:59
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thanks for thought
I was at a 20 mph (60ft from turn) brake point hydroslid into car
another factor is it's problem intersection
I read in this forum about brakes locking up
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shdow
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2/16/2006
08:46:14
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where can I get some body parts I should have asked
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daddio
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2/16/2006
08:50:32
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the RWAB's on the daks are not the best but i know mine work. as far as airbags- i broadsided a schoolbus @ about 35mph and took out the whole front end on my truck from the bumper up and the airbags never went off. saved my about 2g's on the repair bill though.
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OBIO3
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2/16/2006
19:13:47
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One thing a lot of people do not realize is rubber on the road. In heavy traffic areas, the rubber builds up from the tires when there's a spell between rain falls. When it rains the combination can be close to ice conditions. To hydroplan is for the water to be deep enough to lift your truck up off the pavement. You become an unsteerable boat. Although a wet road is much more slipery then dry, not likely you hydroplaned at 50 unless your talking about a river of water.Glade everybody was ok including the pup. Luck was with you that day.
So many problems .... So little time
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shdow
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2/16/2006
22:11:40
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the brakes locked up lost control of truck the water made it like I was on grease surface
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Bob Lincoln
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2/17/2006
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You were. When it starts to rain, the water lifts road oil up and greases the pavement. Still sounds like you went too fast. As stated, standard ABS is for rear wheels only. The fronts can lock up and you can still slide.
These trucks take considerably longer to stop than my 92 Daytona. You have to plan for it when driving.
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prodak
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2/17/2006
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shdow- ABS was never designed or intended to decrease your stopping distance. It's purpose is to allow you to maintain DIRECTIONAL control of the vehicle. The function of rear-wheel-only ABS is to (hopefully) prevent the lightweight back end (of an empty pickup truck, for instance) from getting sideways on you.
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prodak
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2/17/2006
13:57:32
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OBIO3- the Volvo was doing 50 - shdow said HE skidded at 20, so you're right, there's no way he was hydroplaning.
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GB2000
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2/18/2006
00:37:59
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Aren't the air bags on most newER vehicles also designed not to go off in low speed collisions...like under 25mph or something? I could be wrong...but I thought I'd read that somewhere.
Josh Blackshire - Founder, OhioDakotas.NET
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Jeff
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2/18/2006
01:48:57
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i had to brake suddenly once and it appeared that the rear wheels had locked up - until i really started to analyze what had happened. the rear wheels never 'locked up' - they simply slid on the super dry dusty desert pavement because the bed was empty and the fronts did most of the work due to the forward inertia pressing on them and lifting the rear. it that instance, i was actually dragging the rear wheels as they slid maybe 5 feet forward and a foot to the side.
in other words - due to teh lack of weight on them, the rears stopped spinning before the truck was stopped. the fronts didn't lock up even though they arent abs because they had enough weight to keep them on the ground and i didn't stomp the pedal to the floor, i pressed it hard but controlled.
you may have experienced a similar occurence - your rears came to a 'controlled' abs style stop but were dragged or hydro'd as the front has a lot of weight and teh rear doesn't when empty. you may also have locked the fronts as they arent abs, sliding on the greasy road.
so quite possibly, the abs rears did do their job as best they could, but the empty bed let them 'float' on the wateradding to the problem not helping it.
Jeff
'99 3.9 clubcab
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MatildaSue
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2/18/2006
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Everyone wants to add their two cents. I had a similar experience with front wheel lock up in the rain. I was driving normal driving speeds in wet weather. Took my eyes off the road to adjust radio. Looked up, and saw an unexpected red light and a already stopped car, in my path. Pulled steering wheel to turn while hitting the brakes. I immediately went into a skid and the rear end of a Ford Escort. Smashed my fog light, trashed the Ford. All due to the rain and my driving. Not likely the fault was my vehicle but more my lack of experience in wet weather and braking.
-CYA
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GB2000
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2/18/2006
07:29:49
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MatildaSue,
Honestly...I think that would be more attributed to not paying attention in the first place.
Josh Blackshire - Founder, OhioDakotas.NET
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Joe M.
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2/18/2006
08:14:33
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lmfao,
hey want another few pennies for that jar?
dont rule out he didnt hydro
i dont know what the weight diffs would be on his 98 to my 94 but in a good rain fall
on the highway i have to slow and hang on
the ass-end of my truck has fishtailed
more then a few times & when a semi is passing
i've also had it happen! that wind off one
(i'll guess his speed at 75+) has also pushed the ass-end of my dak into a wet road skid!
(uncomfortable feeling to say the least)
this truck is so damn light in the back
also had it weighed with a 1/4 tank
(me not in it) 3180 and prob 85% or more of that is over the front wheels
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prodak
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2/18/2006
09:28:43
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Skidding/sliding on wet pavement is NOT the same as hydroplaning.
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prodak
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2/18/2006
09:37:09
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"Took my eyes off the road to adjust radio. Looked up, and saw an unexpected red light and a already stopped car, in my path."
Yeah, those unexpected red lights and stopped cars will get you every time (*shakes head in disbelief*).
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MatildaSue
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2/18/2006
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Prodak,
"Yeah, those unexpected red lights and stopped cars will get you every time (*shakes head in disbelief*)."
LOL. I mean, why did that light turn red in the first place. What was it thinking. I should check that light for defects, or read the wiring diagram to make sure its operating properly. Who knows maybe it skipped yellow. :)
I am the king of 'reasoning.'
-ROFL.
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MatildaSue
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2/18/2006
12:35:20
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OOoooppsies,
"I am the king of 'Reasoning.'"
-Prodak
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toolfan
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2/18/2006
13:38:46
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had my brakes go out on my 98. on the freeway and was real lucky i was able to get in the shoulder. a valve went out and there were warning signs before this happen.
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