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LI Blackdak
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3/14/2002
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any idea of the 0-60 of a Turbo V6 4x4 CC auto 3.92....any chance it would be under 7 seconds??
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bernd,tom
Dodge Dakota
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3/14/2002
15:01:10
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No. Probably not. Nothing we have to offer will ever make your truck go faster than it already does. Sorry if that's too slow for you.
Oh- and we don't really go by 0-60 anymore. We have started measuring things in 0-55 for safety sake.
Sorry we couldn't help.
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cbsdakota
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3/14/2002
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You think the smartass would be smart enough to not give his email. Moron.
Airaid, 50 Series Delta Flow Flowmaster, Lund Elite Bed Cover...
Coming soon: Cleaned up factory V8 TB and custom ported intake manifold...
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tom,bernd
Dodge Dakota
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3/14/2002
16:12:14
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It's not even my real e-mail. I just made it up and it turns out to be a real e-mail. Heh.
Dude, I know Tom told you he would gladly answer all of your questions, but don't just turn your brain off. Do a little research. Go to dodgetrucks.org and look under the "Turbos, NOS, Superchargers" board. Go to Moparchat.com and look under the Dakota Truck Forum. There are plenty of posts dealing with turbo's and their effects.
Basically if you figure roughly on some of these people's posts and their quarter mile times, you can figure in your head that you will be able to reach 60 mph (why stop at 60 mph?) in about 6 to 6.5 seconds. Even with a heavy 4x4. If 0-60 matters to you that much.
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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3/15/2002
08:15:47
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I know everyone hates talking about 0-60 because its inacurate amoung other things but its really the only thing u can check w/o a track(granted its very inacurate)I figured 6.xx would be right but I wanted to hear it from them, because they are the ones making the turbo kit. but anyway thats quite an increase considering that my 0-60 no is right around 11.
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bernd
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3/15/2002
12:02:02
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OK...let's set the record straight before some imposters use Tom's or My name.
Hey Tom... ;)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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Tom Slick
Dodge Dakota
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3/15/2002
12:04:22
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Yo!!!
LI Blackdak - the 0-60 time will depend on how much boost your running, and the actual wieght of the truck you are in. Traction also makes a difference, too... right, Bernd?
Later,
Tom "Slick"
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bernd
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3/15/2002
12:07:17
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Yup...and then there's the variables of different mods for different trucks, different (factory) performance levels, and different drivers (driving style - novice, intermediate, advanced).
Nobody can give exact HP/TQ figures or how fast it will be...only approximations.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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3/15/2002
12:32:39
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I'm only asking for a range here. like under 8 seconds or like 5-7 seconds. I'm really leaning towards saving up for a turbo but my 0-60 has got to be under 7 seconds (or 1/4 mile under 15 seconds) to make it worth while to me. I dont want to bolt on a turbo and find out that the lag causes my 0-60 to be like 8.5 or 9 seconds and just gives me massive upper level power.
I just want you guys to say "yes it will most likely be under 7 seconds" you don't even have to promise I wont hold you to it. I just want a guess at it.
I'm sorry, I know there are problems with 0-60 times, but I'm addicted to them(just because mine is so bad.)
ok here again is what I have
2000 V6 CC Auto 4x4 3.92 w/ gibson 3" catback & 180 tstat (also jet 2 and airaid, but I assume the turbo setup will replace the airaid and make me remove the chip) curb weight 4173+me 235 and whatever gas weighs
just a guess within 2 seconds is all I ask
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bernd.tom
Dodge Dakota
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3/15/2002
12:33:26
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Guess I should have been more accurate: You SHOULD be able to hit 0-60 in under 7 secs. But it's all a bunch of variables like the real Tom & Bernd mentioned.
How's your traction?
What's the wastegate set at?
How heavy is your Lil Black Dak?
How hard are you willing to drive it?
What quality fuel are you running?
Did Tom & Bernd do their homework on the Turbo Kit that they sold you? (We'll assume they are doing just that..... otherwise there's going to be a lot of unhappy campers)
There are lots of other variables involved in hitting 0-60 in under 7 seconds. But on paper it just doens't look like it's going to be all that hard to hit that mark with 7-10 lbs of boost on a V-6.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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3/15/2002
12:43:30
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Actually, if you're planning on going off-roading, don't you want bottom end torque? I'd be looking into another solution than something that takes up til (approx) 2500 rpm to start giving you real power.
Or did you buy a 4x4 with the idea of drag racing it?
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Xphile1999
Dodge Dakota
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3/15/2002
13:08:35
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Well, a few of us bought our 3.9L 4x4, not knowing what we would be wanting to do in the future...like me, i thought wow, why not get a 4x4 for the snow here in colorado. Now, all i can say is damn it! i want to go faster but i bought this damn 4x4 and i cant trade it in!
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Tom Slick
Dodge Dakota
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3/15/2002
13:09:36
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We are not selling any turbo kits yet...
We are working on the 3.9L and 4.7L prototypes at this time...
Yes, you should hit 0-60 in under 7 seconds with a turbo, most likely...
Later,
Tom "Slick"
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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3/15/2002
13:19:11
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ok running 93 octane i said how heavy it is 4173 + me (235) and gas. whats a wastegate. as hard as it takes lets put it this way. I consider being in front at a traffic light a street race no matter what is next to me. my gas milage is at the bottom of the range on the sticker price i get like 11-12 in town and 14-16 on the highway. btw i got 21.5 once so i know its my driving causing this and not a problem with the car. the truck has enough power to go offroading as it is...how fast do i need to go off road. besides the 3.9 is lacking hp much more then its lacking torque 225+what ever the exhaust, intake and chip make is enough to get it moving. to much low-end and the tires will just spin and on top of that i really don't feel the need to put my realativly new truck in danger by doing a lot of offroading. I got 4x4 for rain and snow mostly. like a 40 year old woman driving an RX300 you know. (wish i got full time, part time isnt that great for wet street driving because u can't turn well. and also 4x4 have lower centers of gravity and i think handle better in some cases. I'm not gonna race (much) i just want good highway pickup and the ability to embarrass V8s(especially the blue RT in my area that would be cool(i can see it now..look a slow @$$ V6 lets roast him...oh crap what the hell happened...hehe)) and hopefully lightnings(doubt it) mustang GTs(hehe..ok V6 mustangs) I also really wanna have the word turbo on my truck.
BTW with 4wd i the rain i can drive like almost like the ground is dry(cept for stopping) this thing is hard to control in 2wd when the ground is wet. the tires the spin like crazy. with 4wd you just go....its awsome
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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3/15/2002
13:22:28
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thanks tom that is all i wanted to hear. time to start saving. when do you guys think itll be done?
also any chance of under 6 or under 6.5 or is that being greedy with a beast like a dak 4x4
or is there any chance of beating a stock lightning?
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IntenseDak39
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3/15/2002
14:19:08
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ll blackdak,
i am not trying to flame you or anything...heck i enjoy answering some of your questions (how is the jet module doing by the way?). But... why don't you do a little research on your own before you go out and have a turbo put on your truck. I understand that it will take a little while before you get one, if you ever get one, but look up and learn stuff about it. Do a some research about it and learn what that wastegate is and about the turbo and how to tweak it and so on...
one place you can go to learn a lot (where i did) is the Shelby Dodge Mailing List... don't remember the exact website but i think you can just type in SDML in the search box and it will show up. Good Luck!
Tom & Bernd,
were you guys on the same computer when talking back to each other a few posts up?
intense
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Capt FakeAss
Dodge Dakota
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3/15/2002
15:17:23
| RE: bernd, tom more 3.9 turbo stuff
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When I was being a moron and imposter (fake e-mails & all) up above, that's all I was ever really saying. Everybody likes the idea of a turbo Dakota. Everybody instantly has questions like "what's a wastegate?" But everybody (well a lot of people) seem to be relying on this website and ONLY this website to get all their answers. And there's a LOT of answers on this website that are crap.
So what I'm saying is what Intense is saying. Don't just turn your brain off. Use the internet to it's fullest potential. Go to www.google.com and enter a search for words like "wastegate" and "turbo basics" and "blow off valve" and other things that you don't understand. Then go to the sites that are listed and read about them. Once you understand those, then you can start asking questions like "Hey Bernd.... are you guys gonna have an air-to-air intercooler or a water-to-air type?"
And dont forget amazon.com where you really should go ahead and order a copy of "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell. It will tell you a PooooooP-Load of information about how your truck will react with a turbo system in place. And how to build the system to make it act like that.
Then everyone will stop flaming you. Even though we're not flaming you.
And I'd like to apologize for faking like I was actually Tom or Bernd earlier. I was just being silly.
Thanks.
Capt Fake-A$$
aka "bernd,tom"
aka "tom,bernd"
and the rest of us
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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3/15/2002
15:27:30
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Well, I can tell you that if you guys did not know what your future would bring as far as your 4x4 V-6 Dakotas, you know now. I used to have a 1992 Dak that was a V-6. At first I tried to go off road all the time in my two wheel drive peg-leg 5-spd truck. It was fun, but it kept getting muddy and things quit working right. So I started getting serious about horsepower and handling and I made a deal with my truck that we'd never go off roading again. So I lowered it and started modding the hell out of the motor and began having a blast learning about cars.
Once it got old enough that LOTS of little things started breaking (165,000 mi), I made a list of everything that I wished my V-6 had. I took that list and custom ordered my 2000 Sport with a 4.7L, a 5-spd, a posi rear, a sliding rear window, a CD player and lots of other options that I never had.
So what I'm saying is..... even though you got stuck with a 4x4 V-6 Dakota, now you know a lot more about what Dakota to get next time. So start saving and shopping.
BTW why can't you trade them in?
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IntenseDak39
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3/15/2002
16:21:05
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Capt FakeAss... thats great...LOL!!!
"How's my driving?........Race me and find out!"
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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3/16/2002
00:01:01
| RE: bernd, tom more 3.9 turbo stuff
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yeah u guys have a point. but this website is so easy. and i basically know how turbos work, but i figure tom and bernd know better. i looked a turbos on howthingswork.com i dont remember what a wastegate is (is it where the exhaust leaves the turbo by any chance?) I want to get a turbo because it sounds like the most easy way to be faster then a V8. not gonna make the dodge mistake again though (unless i have other cars and i get a 5.7 hemi rt) but dodges aren't the highest quality cars/trucks on earth (see guys I'm the master of flamming people up)(and no that doesn't make me a flamer!!!)
yeah so to sum it up
1.dak+turbo=good
2.dodge/quality=0
3.LI Blackdak+Mopar basing=flamming up
4.Intense+telling me to do research=not flamming up
5.next daimler/chrysler will be a daimler
6.Can't for give mopar for the V6
7.I Love 0-60 times
8.V6 4x4 CC hitting 60 in under 6.5 seconds=magical power(not saying it can't or that i dont believe it can...im calling turbo magic)
9.Bernd+3500 LI Blackdollars=happy bernd
10. my next CAR will be a ultra hot mocha colored SLK32 AMG (3.2 V6 Supercharged 349 hp 332 lb ft of torque 0-60 in 4.6 seconds(with an auto!!!(no i dont care that its an auto, manuals are annoying!!!)and retractable hardtop to boot from $55,565(gonna get it used in 3-7 years) (hope 6' 4" people fit in them)
beautiful
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bernd
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3/16/2002
01:02:35
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Next car for me would be the SRT-10. (Cheaper, faster, bigger, and 6'4" people fit in it.) ;)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
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14.55 @ 96.01mph
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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3/16/2002
01:34:12
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it aint faster or cheaper dodge said 40-50 thousand and its slower to 60 and i dont know the 1/4s but i assume its better too. its the faster benz ever 0-100-0 in 15.xx and i would much rather pay the gas bill for a supercharged V6 then an 8.3l V10 what kind of milage will it get? 8/11 maybe lol as opposed to 17/24 and the handling style and hardtop convertable..hehe..not to mention i hate parking my dak its too big...i dont want a ram...and its ugly too let us not forget traction 500hp 500 lb ft and empty bed equals dont drive in the rain and start slow on dry ground
if were assuming that we have this much money id rather have that awsome new viper then the ram. I'll keep my dak its much prettier then the new ram
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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3/16/2002
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besides this is the V6 forum...not the v10 forum...lol
exact numbers from motor trend:
hp:349
tq:332
curb weight:3220(almost 1800lbs lighter :-)
0-60:4.63
1/4: 13.06@108.74
0-100-0: 15.46 (i know them ram cant do that)
EPA MPG 18/24
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IntenseDak39
GenIII
3/16/2002
08:22:48
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that srt-10 is said to do 60 in less than 5 seconds...pretty close to 4.6 if you ask me.
have you guys seen the new mopar mag (i think it was mopar now) that had the Razor in it...12 second 1/4s for $15000....oh my goodness!
ll blackdak...the wastegate is used to control boost on the turbo...after the turbo spools up to a preset boost (determined by the wastegate) the waste gate will bleed off any extra boost to keep you from blowing up your engine. now on manual controlled wastegates you can plumb a valve into the map sensor line off of the wastegate and use it to add more boost or less boost. if you get a electronic wastegate (like what bernd is getting) you can control the boost pressure at the turn of a knob...i don't remember if it is a map sensor line on all turbos or what but on my shelby it was and went to the logic module that control the boost.
intense
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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3/16/2002
12:03:52
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oh, ok
i thought the said 5.0 seconds flat?
the only way ill get that truck is if im taking in over 200000 a year and i already have the slk, hemi rt and jgc overland
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CW
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3/16/2002
12:50:52
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The overland is nothing special. Drove one myself.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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david
Dodge Dakota
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2/02/2003
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hello all i was wondering what are some of the most noticeable upgrades i can do to a 1992 stock (except 2in drop blocks) dak ext. cab 3.9 with the 5 speed. got a friend with a camaro(86 ragged out motor) i could beat to 60(speed limit on road in front of work)but now he built a 350 and i wanna keep up hope im not just annoying yall but my friends are all bowtie thanks for any help
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FazDak
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2/02/2003
18:47:37
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Dude, next time start a thread, dont bump up a thread that doesnt have much to do with your question.
That being said, depending on how well this 350 is built and if well and his stock trans and other parts can even handle it you will need a pretty decent power adder or a V8.
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