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Joe E.
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7/28/2003
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I have a 1990 Dak. Its a metallic dark blue with a silver strip on the sides. I installed a fiberglass hood scoop a year ago or so. Since then I have found a blue paint from rustoleum that matches my trucks blue well. I have already used it in my truck on the dash and etc. But I want to paint the middle part of my hood due to paint chips fallin off and silver hood scoop. What all should I do to make the blue rustoleum paint stick to the hood and to the fiberglass? I plan on sanding all of the center area down as much as possible. Applying a couple primer coats, then multiple blue coats, then multiple clear coats to finish it off. Any other thing I should do? Thanks
Joe E.



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7/28/2003
20:12:33

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you might want to paint the entire hood so you don't get diiferent colors on one panel, different colors show well in the sun



Joe E.
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7/28/2003
23:50:26

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What I want to know is that will the rustoleum paint stick well? It is the "Premium Rust-oleum Metallic Indoor/outdoor" Says its good for autos, bikes, hardware, etc. Any advice would be great.
And what type of sanding should I do? Should I take a hard grit paper and get all of the stock paint off? Or just sand it over and the parts that stay on leave alone? Give me some hints and clues guys. Thanks
Joe E.



Joe E.
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7/31/2003
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Well I took off the hood, sanded the loose paint off to the metal, and ran the sander all over the hood making a good surface for sticking new primer to. There was no left places that had loose paint. So I got a coat of primer on now drying, soon to put another on. Any advice would be appreciated.
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7/31/2003
20:35:22

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Dude, u should really find somebody locally who knows what they are doing and ask them. A painter has to see the item to tell u what's needed. Generally, U need to feather the edges of any removed paint spots, If u'r going to prime it(if there is bare metal it is a must)sand it with 120 or 220 grit. sand the primer with 320 grit for the finish coat. I would never use rustolem. take the hood or truck to a paint ditributer and they will but a color gun on the paint to match it up. Get good paint, It's worth it. Also use good primer, 545 Awlgrip or something. Most pros like Nasson for clear coats. You should really find a professional if u want it to look nice. It takes a long time to become a good painter and there's a lot of chemicals invovled that are needed for different applications and climates. Hope it helps a little.



Joe E.
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7/31/2003
23:39:01

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Well, I "feathered" the edge of the loose spots. If the term means to sand down the edges until the paint and the metal have a smooth surface. I just applied a coat of sandable primer. The reason why Im using Rustoleum paint is because it is the only paint that I have found that matches my daks blue. Ive tried for years to get a paint that matched but only the rustoleum does.
How much could you estimate to have a hood painted? Would they have to go back and sand down all the primer to the bare metal again? I know its a guess but what do you think? Thanks
Joe E.



Joe E.
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8/01/2003
17:18:46

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Well I went ahead and put a layer of blue on my hood. I took a fine grit sand paper and went over the primer. Then wiped it down with a cloth and cleaner. Then started the blue. We will see how it goes. Any advice would help. THX
Joe E.



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8/02/2003
18:21:26

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lacquer which is what your truck is painted with and enamal which is what you want to paint over the lacquer don't mix real well. One tends to cause early failure of the other. Which is which I don't remember.



Joe E.
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8/03/2003
01:03:09

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Thanks for the info. Im not to sold of the temp fix. I might end up taking the hood to someone and haveing them paint it. How much do you think itd cost to have it painted if I sand all the paint off down to the bare metal? That way the labor is knocked down some. Thanks
Joe E.



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8/03/2003
23:33:28

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Just make friends with an autobody or marine painter, take a twelve pack down to the shop. Trade labor if you have too, but it shouldn't cost more than a 100 bucks if they have paint in stock, otherwise you'll have to buy a quart, and that can get expensive, but use the painter's discount for all materials. It realy boils down to his time to spray the hood with three coats and clear(which does'nt take long at all), but all the prep work must be done perfectly. If U don't do it nice, you're gonna do it twice!



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8/24/2003
00:31:35

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O.K. I DO THIS FOR A LIVING.FIRST OF ALL, IF THERES FAILING PAINT ON THE HOOD IT WILL EVENTUALLY ALL FAIL. THE HOOD NEEDS TO BE STRIPPED TO BARE METAL ALL DINGS,DENTS,SCATCHES AND WHAT HAVE YOU FIXED.SHOOT SOME SANDABLE PRIMER-FILLER SUCH AS DZ3 FROM PPG OVER THE AREAS FIXED AND HAND SAND TILL SMOOTH.THEN SHOOT ABOUT THREE COATS OVER THE WHOLE HOOD AND LET DRY FOR AWHILE.IT DRIES PRETTY QUICK BUT MAKE SURE. BLOCK SAND ENTIRE HOOD.YOU CAN USE A WATERHOSE WITH NO LESS THAN 400 GRIT WET PAPER FOR BEST RESULTS. WHEN DONE RUN A STEADY STREAM OF WATER OVER THE HOOD AND AT A ANGLE YOU CAN SEE IF ITS SMOOTH ENOUGH.O.K. AS FAR AS THE PAINT GOES,YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE IT TO SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT HES DOING. DEPENDING ON THE YEAR OF YOUR VEHICLE IT COULD BE ACRYLIC ENAMEL, URATHANE, OR A TOP-COAT CLEAR-COAT.YOURS WILL PROBABLY BE URATHANE.THEY CAN MATCH ANY COLOR YOU NEED. NOW FOR THE HARD PART, COST, ITS USUALLY AROUND 350.00 FOR A HOOD, BUT IF YOU DO EVERTHING ELSE THEY WILL PROBABLY CUT YOU SOME SLACK. DEPENDING ON WHO DOES IT, IT COULD BE ALOT CHEAPER. THIS MAY BE A DAY LATE AND A DOLLAR SHORT, BUT IF IT DONT HELP YOU IT MIGHT SOMEONE ELSE.



Joe E.
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8/25/2003
02:00:17

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Hi there. Yeah Im finally deciding that the job is only temp. until I can find a deal on a cowl fiberglass hood that im satisfied with. Then Ill have that painted right. I figures no point to have a decent job on a hood that Im planning to ditch soon. But thanks for the info. Have a good one.
Joe E.



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8/25/2003
13:49:22

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I use Auto paints all the time, and have gotten used to spraying them from a spray gun and can. A can can get you a nice paintjob if you know how to use it. Here's what I'd do:
1. Sand the hood down to bare metal/fiberglass with 240 grit sandpaper.
2. Wash the hood with soapy water and spray it clean. Make sure that ALL the soap is gone, then use a shammie or lint free cloth to dry it.
3. Put on mist coats of primer until the part is covered, then got with 2-4 more coats to allow for some sanding. Allow 10-15 minutes between coats. This should fill in the scratches made by the first sanding, which also give the primer a good surface to stick to.
4. Use water and 600 grit sandpaper to sand the whole piece just enough to smooth it. If your primer isn't smooth, the color coat will just enhance it even more. Be sure to dry the area you're sanding from time to time to check progress.
5. Repeat Step 2
6. Now, start misting the color onto the hood. You should no longer have any bare primer showing through after 3-4 mist coats. Allow enough time for the coats to get tacky between coats.
7. Now the hard part starts. You're ready for the wet coats. The problem is that if you move the nozzle too fast, you'll get orange peel. If you hold it too far away, you'll get orange peel. If you hold it too close or move too slow, you'll get runs. This is the part that takes practice and skill. You need 1-2 wet coats.
8. Allow the color coat to fully dry. This might take 2-3 days from a spray can. The gases must fully disapate from the paint to avoid problems.
9. After the color coat is dry, you can go for a clear coat. Depending on the manufacturer and paint type, you may need 1-2 coats, or 4-8 coats. The clear coat will bring out the depth of the metallic paint and make it look a lot better. It will allow you to sand and polish, which you can't do to a metallic.
10. Now let the clear coat completely dry. Allow 2-3 days to make sure.
11. You can now wet sand with 2000 or higher sand paper, but ONLY IF YOU NEED TO. Inspect the paint for any runs and such. If there are any, carefully sand them out. At no point do you want to sand through the clear coat and into the color coat.
12. Aftersanding, use an automotive paint polish to smooth the whole job. This will make it look a lot better.
13. Put the hood back on the truck and wax.

The only problem is that metallic paints get darker with more coats, so matching your paint is going to be hard. If you're going for a temporary fix, then you'll be fine and should be able to get pretty close. Metallics also seem to lose their luster over the years, so the hood might actually end up looking better than the rest of the truck if you do it right. I hope I've helped you out a little bit. Good luck!



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