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Ric
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1/21/2004
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I currently own a 88 Shelby 12sec daytona, but im tired of the car body and its time for a slammed truck. The factory 2.5 L1 i hear is the same block as the turbo FWD cars. So i was thinking, would a turbo dodge 2.2 or 2.5 motor bolt to the RWD transmission and if so, could one be bolted into a dakota truck with some of course fabrication for exhaust, intercooler. It would in theroy be installed in a 91-95 truck with body kit, lowered, 88+ turbo II motor and ecu. Please reply if you have any knowledge about if this motor would be able to be installed.
Ric
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IntenseDak39
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1/21/2004
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i dont think the blocks are the same... the truck 2.5 has bosses for the truck motor mounts and the FWD 2.5 has em in other places.
You will need to build or "adjust" the factory intake because it would hit the firewall.
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could you
Dodge Dakota
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1/21/2004
07:27:56
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Could you take the head, and call the other important turbo stuff off, and put it on the rwd block?
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Ric
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1/21/2004
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Some stuff on the engines would be different, but in the mid 80s dakotas also came with a 2.2 engine, the same block. The 2.4 dakota is a jeep motor. The 2.5 in the early 90s late 80s was the 4cly common block. The only thing i basically have to do is drive around car lots til i find a 4cly dakota and see if its the same engine. If it is.. With some work, a 400+hp 4cly dakota is not a problem :)
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IntenseDak39
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1/21/2004
14:19:39
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there is a big post about it on www.dakotausa.com and i was just relaying the info i read over here. And the people that mentioned it are shelby dodge finatics. I would believe them.. i had a 2.2 turbo but never played with the 2.5. Also, i never mentioned the 2.4 and was wondering why it was brought up??? because the 2.4 was never in the dakota... it was put in the jeep starting last year and is actually from the PT (or another FWD chrysler)
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Ric
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2004
04:26:58
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Yep.. Got all the info i need on it. The 2.5 dakota block is different for the RWD motor mounts, thats it. Everything else fits, works, and bolts on. Dakota RT can kiss my ass, cause a i4 will run circles around one, no matter what mods it has.
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ass
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2004
07:47:50
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I thought you were cool for doing this turbo 4 thing, but I figured it would be to kill chevy's, not mopars. Thats like killing your own family. BTW 4 bangers sound gay, a 360 will sound better than your crap ass i4 anyday. Oh, and why do you say "no matter what mods it has"? what if it has like 600 rwhp? It will kill your 4 banger. Peace--
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vern
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1/22/2004
09:28:49
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hi Ric,the trucks and cars use the same head gaskets i checked in to this awhile back i was thinking about doing the same thing.
a friend of mine has 4 turbo motors that he gave me for a drag project.but then i changed mine mind
for the moment any ways.
you,ll have to fab your oil pan for the oil return
from the turbo the standard blocks don,t have this
and if you go with the older dak i think the ecm,s will plug in.DON,T TAKE THIS FOR FACT,BECAUSE I DID,NT CHECK ALL OF THE WIRING
also would you or someone you know be interested in a 84 shelby head?it has large int and exsh ports factory,there larger then the turbo heads
i,ve worked on.the ports are the same size as the gasket ports.chrysler says this head give you a 35-50hp depending on whats done to your motor.
you can exspect 35hp on a stock motor
good luck and keep us informed
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Ric
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2004
12:31:05
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The whole point of building a turbo 4 will to beat any V8, especially those punk 360 boys. The turbo dodge motor using the factory turbo, head, intercooler can make a 3000lb FWD car run low 13s, high 12s in the 1/4mi with good tuning. My current motor for this years drag season in my shelby will be dynoing over 450fwhp in my 2300lb 88 daytona shelby 5spd. Total cost for that motor is only in the $4000 range. Personally i think a turbo 4 with a loud BOV and open downpipe sounds better then any V8.
My question is, why hasnt anyone done this before? Just using a totally stock 2.5 turbo motor swapped in will get a truck at least into the low 14s in the 1/4mi. It could probably be done for under $500 bucks for the average person. Too much pride to use a 4cly maybe?
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IntenseDak39
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1/22/2004
14:30:35
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someone has... there was one on ebay probably six or so months ago. I think it was in a GenI dakota.
the FWD turbo cars are easy to pull power out of.. but a 2200-2800 lb car isnt the same as a 3500-3800 lb truck. while turbo fours make a lot more torque than NA fours... it wont take a V8 much to make a LOT more torque. And it's torque that gets you out of the hole.. Just dont go talking sheety to the 360 guys until you can deliver.
I think turbo fours sound good, but i think a nasty big cam in a V8 sounds a little better. I like the sound of my turbocharged V6 a whole lot better than the sound of my turbo 4 i had.
but i'll really really miss the sound of the BOV.
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Ric
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2004
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A Turbo 4 making 450hp makes around 400-420+LB of torque. Smaller engine doesnt mean less torque, thats a fairy tail.
Thats fine u can drive your 8 piston boat anchor cause it "sounds good". But when a 11sec daily driven 4cly pickup runs circles around you dont make 50 excuses like all other v8 ppl that race my shelby car. I can make a complete GenII truck for the cost of an average S/C or turbo kit for a 360. If you do mods dollar for dollar and price match everyting, a 360 dakota will never come close to the speed of a 2.5 turbo II truck. But it will sound good loosing.
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IntenseDak39
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1/22/2004
20:52:48
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ric,
a NA big block making 450 hp can make 600 lbs torque if not more. A four cylinder with 450 hp is probably pushing 30+ lbs boost and will need a head gasket changed every month because there are only 10 wimpy 10mm bolts holding the head down. I never said that all smaller engines make less torque... i said that NA ones do and turbocharged ones dont.. thats until you start getting into the higher power limits.
I wouldnt give any excuses because i dont ever see you getting it done. You need to keep that motor in your Daytona and work out the problems it's having... because with 400 hp, you should be doing better than 12s. My shelby charger i had dynoed 270 whp and ran 12's on street tires.
i am not trying to get ugly but i was all for it and letting you know my opinion but you're acting like someone poked you in the butt... just calm down.
" I can make a complete GenII truck for the cost of an average S/C or turbo kit for a 360"
yes... someone can
i turbocharged my V6 in my GenIII for less than $800... i know thats not a "complete.. truck" but just shows the possibilities.
I have probably spent about the same on my big block and i am expecting more power. With the V6, i was running 8 lbs of boost and figure i was kicking 275 hp and 350 lbs torque... or maybe a little more. Now i know thats a guess but all i have to go by is the vehicles that i have raced.
"a 360 dakota will never come close to the speed of a 2.5 turbo II truck. But it will sound good loosing."
thats cool... i got a 6.6 liter and my parts cost no where near as much as a 2.5 or 5.9.
360 roller cam... $400
2.5 turbo cam.... $325 (and that was 4 years ago when i bought mine)
6.6 camshaft..... $110
hell... for your $4000 you spent on your 12 second motor... i could have a full roller 503 cubic inch monster!!
here's what i would do with $4000
4.15 stroker kit.. $1650
edelbrock heads... $1250
roller cam set.... $450
pushrods.......... $100
team g intake..... $150
demon carb........ $400
and you know what.. the possibilities of me doing all that are probably the same as you putting your motor in a dakota.
now when you stop the crap talking... i'll try to suggest more and tell you more places to look like i already have
just so you know... my motor is already in my truck... i'll be waiting for you
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v8s dominate
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2004
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Hell ya, I agree. I have a 2.5 turbo 5 speed with the super 60, parts are not cheap at all. My 318 is actually cheaper to upgrade. If ric ever gets this thing going, I would like to see it running 12's, if your 2300 lb car was doin 12's, what will your 3300 lb dak do?
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RAT
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2004
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If the engines have the same head gasket, could you take the head and turbo manifold and turbo and put it on a current new 2.5L? My good friend has a Shelby Carger, that kicked butt, but he blew his transmision. He needs to get rid of it and would probably give it to me. Would I be able to use the turbo and stuff from it? Cause it didn't look the same to me at all. Although the guy with the charger is in Iraq on duty, and met a guy that worked for Chrysler and said it would bolt up to my tranny. Anyways. I'm not out there trying to burn V8's (main word is trying), I'm just trying to do somthing new.
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IntenseDak39
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1/23/2004
18:04:48
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no you cant... the truck magnum 2.5 is a pushrod motor with the cam in the block. The older 2.2/2.5 are over head cam motors.
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Outlaw
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1/23/2004
18:07:59
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There is 1 rule you all overlooked. More cubes equals more power. I've had turbo daytonas so Im not biased either way. But you just cant squeeze the power out of the 4 the way you can a v8. If you build each motor to max the v8 will be more powerful. As soon as I get the money Im putting a hemi in my 89 dak 4x4. Ill whip just about anything and have great traction. I know Im going to have to put in straight axle but it will be worth all the work. Plus the emblems will look cool. And it will sound great. Dont get me wrong turbo 4s sound good to. Good luck on the swap it should be interesting. I like to see trucks that are different. And I respect u for using what u have. Thats what true hot rodding is.
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Ric
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2004
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My 12sec daytona uses uses a stock T3 turbo and head and intake manifold @ 20+ psi. It maybe makes 230fwhp. If i were to build a turbo dakota it would be somewhere around the 400hp range. To make my daytona run 12s took around a total of $800 bucks using a big spearco FMIC and various other parts. My friends mid 11second custom home made twin turbo 2000 v6 mustang makes 310hp 370tq at the rear wheels using a bone stock engine. Thats a 3600+lb pure street car. I was part of a huge street racing scene in central florida, i have yet to see one dakota R/T 360 that can even beat a stock 4th gen LT1 fbody. To make an RT come close to a 400hp turbo 4 would cost around $10k, and it would get 5mpg and be unstreetable in daily driving conditions, while the turbo 4 under low boost conditions drives just like any other car and gets 20+ mpg. I can make a 400+hp turboII dakota genII dakota for under 5k total cost, including buying a truck. Isnt it what its all about anyways? Going fast without spending alot? Its funny that the fastest street motor u can put in a dakota isnt used just because people are stuck in the 1960s state of mind. :(
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Ric
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2004
19:36:37
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BTW there is a replacement for displacement. Its called forced induction. Tell the guy with a 1100hp 3.0L inline six supra more cubes = more power. Titan motorsports in orlando FL has a few of em running around the streets. Tell them that more cubes = more power. They are pure sreet driven cars that u can take on 500mi trips or sit in stop and go traffic all day. You wont find one v8 car in the world that makes 1100hp that can do that.
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1/23/2004
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a v6 2000 mustang running 11's? OK time for a bull shlt flag. Everybody knows that the new stangs are a lot heavier than the fox body stangs, I know of a 93 cobra with 317 RWHP that hits 12.7 how does a heavier car with 7 less hp go faster????? You're right, forced induction is a good thing, but if you put that much boost to a v8, you are killing the 4 popper again.
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IntenseDak39
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1/23/2004
19:58:23
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"My current motor for this years drag season in my shelby will be dynoing over 450fwhp in my 2300lb 88 daytona shelby 5spd. Total cost for that motor is only in the $4000 range."
now you say its only 230 hp and $800????
i beat a LT1 with my turbocharged V6. With just nitrous (no turbo) i beat several Cobra's and LS1 powered F-bodies. To say that you have never seen a 5.9 beat a LT1 doesnt mean that it doesnt happen everyday.
Ric,
not trying to get ugly with you but you take every statement so offensive.
"Dakota RT can kiss my ass, cause a i4 will run circles around one, no matter what mods it has."
yeah... sure...
and one more thing... sorry but i dont know what the 60's were like. I am only 22 years old and my block is 28 years old. (400's werent made in the 60s)
No replacement for displacment? tell that to John Force and all his buddies... they dont drive 3.0 liters and make five times the amount of power.
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Ric
Dodge Dakota
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1/23/2004
22:25:37
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John Force is a professional drag racer. Theres a huge differece between a fast street car and a fast drag racing car. Thats cool if someone has a 600hp R/T, but i want him to come on road trips and sit in stop and go traffic every day to work and back in 95 degree florid sun. It will get 6mpg, stall, and overheat, among other things. A 4-500hp turbo 4cly u can turn down to 10PSI at the flip of a switch, make 250hp and get 25mpg and its 100% driveable like your grandmas caddy. We are talking daily driven street cars here. If you wanna run 9s, and trailer it to the track, yeah get a 600ci big block, but that defeats the purpose of a daily driver street race machine.
Heres your BS flag burner about my friends mustang
http://v6power.net/images/justin/timeslips110703.jpg
http://www.velocitymustangperformance.com/pics/turbo/enginebayfrontdone.jpg
http://www.v6power.net/images/justin/justinttdyno.jpg
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