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Tom J.
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3/11/2003
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$400.00 F&B TB vs. $179.00 Fastman. This is for a 4.7l with HO cams, Magnaflow exhaust and K&N drop-in filter. Also can anyone recommend what size to go with 68mm-72mm? My next mods will be HO intake and Mike Leech flash and some type of FIPK intake.
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Darryl
Dodge Dakota
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3/11/2003
22:49:17
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FASTMAN
Save the money for other mods. I'm sure the F&B is an outstanding piece, but are you really getting 221$ more performance? I have the Fastman and it and Dan Arcand are 1st rate.
Darryl
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figitdotcom
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3/11/2003
22:57:11
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yup same here, running a fastman tb in my 00' r/t and love it. At the time I had like 350 bones to spend, went with dan's tb and had enough left over to get a set of jba wires/brass cap & rotor/and an msd blaster coil and still had money left.
-m
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Demon Dakota
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3/11/2003
23:04:38
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Do not waste you money on "pretty" engine pieces (unless you're showing your truck). If you drive it and only care about performance, then absolutely get FASTMAN.
K&N Drop in AF (CAI during summer months)
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
FASTMAN 70mm TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
TPS @ .76 VDC
IAT Adjuster Mod
14.52@94.2 MPH at Silver Dollar Raceway
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big_torque
Dodge Dakota
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3/11/2003
23:51:14
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Yep , I 4th that
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rtdkota
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3/12/2003
01:05:31
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Well--- Guess it's time for a dyno test to show who's putting out the most power.
Dan's got a deal going, sorry, can't touch that price.. Jump on it.
The fastest 4.7s are running the F&B though guys---
I wish I could have saved the voicemail from the gentleman who called me re: his current modded TB wasn't flowing enough, and wanted the F&B-- He's now got a 72mm-- and loving it.
For people serious in doing a fair comparison-- and will be unbiased--- I am willing to pony up a 68 and 70mm loaner...
Try it out yourself---
(I will need a contract or something else signed that they will be purchased or returned after the test--- as I got burned by someone I did this for recently).
Worth a look for people thinking of the most they can get from a TB.
Sam
www.socaldakota.com
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b1llyw
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3/12/2003
05:56:40
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Fastman is a decent product but it can't touch the F&B. You can only take an inferior piece (stock TB) and get so much out of it. The F&B is worth it.
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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Notchlx
Dodge Dakota
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3/12/2003
08:17:21
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When I can pony up the loot, I'm getting the F&B.
No doubt a sharp looking piece, and the flow numbers after looking at one, would have to be a lot better than any ported/hogged out stocker.
Sure the Fastman's are a good buy on a limited budget, but I can hog my unit out at home.(already have).
Sam, If I had the money right now, I'd take you up on your offer. I believe with the supercharged application, it would be best to run a 72MM unit.
Alex is running the 72MM on a N/A application, and it's proven to be a worthwhile mod.
If you're looking for the most out of your power, get the F&B.
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yates-in-DE
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3/12/2003
08:38:16
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I can't complain at all about the F&B. And I had ported and polished my own 68mm Stocker.
It's all about budget, i guess the Fastman is the way to go, if it's about performance and looks, Well F&B is the one.
It's Kinda like the Intense Performance Z-Tube versus the Crapper Pipe. If you don't have a lot of dough and moderate performance is cool, then the Crapper Pipe is the way to go. If you want the most performance, and you are going to be opening your hood for people to actually see your art work, well it's the Intense Performance Z-tube.
Later,
Lynn
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figitdotcom
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3/12/2003
08:48:20
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yeah I would agree that a part built from the ground up would have to perform better than a stock modified BUT is that extra flow worth 200 bones considering Tom's current mod state? He could use the extra loot on something that will make much better gains then what he would make dumping the extra 2 into the f&b piece know what I mean. I'm not arguing the point, just stating the obvious. I would be proud to show off a nice f&b tb though, it would be super cool but I just couldn't go that route knowing that dan can turn me out a solid piece for 200 man.
-m
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yates-in-DE
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3/12/2003
09:13:43
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I guess that sez it all. PEACE.
Lynn
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b1llyw
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3/12/2003
09:40:43
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Dan's best price that I've seen is $225, + core on a group buy. Now you can get an F&B 50mm for $400, shipped. Then sell your stocker to somebody for $100, and end up with an F&B 50mm for a net of $300. So, is an F&B worth it if it's only going to cost you $75 more than a Fastman? I think so.
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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figitdotcom
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3/12/2003
09:44:21
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good point bill, dan's been running a deal lately though and it's kind of risky to assume someone is going to purchase your core but if everything worked out like you say It would be worth it for the 75 bones. I guess tom if you go the f&b route make sure you have a sixer lined up to purchase your core bro.
-m
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.alex.
Dodge Dakota
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3/12/2003
10:01:13
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Or in my case, where I might actually sell my truck later on down the line....I'll be able to put my factory 65mm back in place and then sell the 72mm separately for about $350 to some guy with a 4.7 who really wants to go fast....
Then my 72mm only cost me +/- $50.
Now, that's a hell of a deal right there!
PS- Duner started out with a ported 68mm, but now he runs a 72mm F&B.
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yates-in-DE
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3/12/2003
10:23:23
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After I put my F&B on, I put my 68mm stocker on the block for sale. I sold it in 3 days and had 27, yes 27 e-mails of other people wanting it and damn proud to pay the simple $100 + Shipping I was asking for it. (makes me wish I'da asked $150 for it)
So at cost of $400 including shipping from Sam (aka RtDkota, see above) at Southern California Dakota minus the $100 sale of the stocker I have $300 into my F&B. Not bad economics I would say.
Kinda Like my Intense Performance Z-Tube, I paid $218 shipping included, and sold the Stock air box for $40 + shipping, making the cost on it $178 New.
Good luck with which ever Throttle Body you get Tom J.
Later,
Lynn
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big_torque
Dodge Dakota
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3/12/2003
10:42:35
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How much better is the F&B beside being all shinny ? I dont care about looks.
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b1llyw
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3/12/2003
10:46:19
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Well, for example. An F&B 50mm will outflow a Fastman 52mm and make more power. Here's a study:
http://www.dodgetrucks.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17124&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=throttle%20bodies&start=15
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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Pistolero
Dodge Dakota
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3/12/2003
10:55:52
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I don't have a 4.7, just a little ol' 3.9, but I also opted for the F&B. V6 F&B's went for $362 when I bought mine, and I could've gotten a Fastman for $250, which I very nearly did. But, for only $100 more, plus the fact that I didn't have to get rid of my brand new stock core, I decided that the F&B was the better buy. Like someone else said, if I trade the truck in a few years down the road, I can put the stocker back on and sell the F&B, so that my final cost on it might only be $150 or so. As easy as they are to change, I could also reinstall the stocker if I need to take the truck in for warranty service. The Fastman is a great unit, no doubt, but the advantages of the F&B for the money difference made sense to me at the time.
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Darryl
Dodge Dakota
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3/12/2003
11:35:30
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Guys, I think you're missing Toms question. I think he's a guy whos going to do minimal mods from the sound of it. I dont think he's adding a blower. Now, there is no one who can tell me they can feel the 4-6 extra PEAK HP that the F&B might flow, no one. (Unless you're the type of guy that asks "How can my V6 beat a Viper?"). Like I said before, the F&B is a nice piece, but if you're willing to spend that much extra $ so you can say "mines 48mm, yours is only 46mm and bigger HAS to be better" Well than give me a call, I'm sure I got something I can sell you!
My 221$ worth
Darryl
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rtdkota
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3/12/2003
11:55:23
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From the sounds of it-- He's going to run an HO intake, and a ML PCM-- I would imagine HO heads, and HO cams would be in the picture somewhere.
It boils down to about $100 difference if you sell your stock piece, and buy an F&B-- For that you get:
Lifetime warranty--- excellent performance--- all new materials/bearings/stainless mounting hardware, and direct support.
If he's pinching every penny, go for the fastman. That's been said-- Dan's a good guy-- makes the best reworked stock TBs out there-- C
Comparing the F&Bs-- well, F&Bs make more HP, Flow more, are completely new, cost more--
Make your decision on that-- I'm fair-- I don't loose any sleep over it. :) I know based on the amount time of engineering, machine work, assembly-- they are a steal, and worth every penny.
Enjoy the ride!
Sam
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wrkofrt
Dodge Dakota
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3/12/2003
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Hey Sam
Since we are talking TB's I have a question.
Can I run a 52mm on my 5.9 with minimal mods?
I ask because I intend to do more mods, but want to do the TB first. I have so far a K&N tube and
filter, Flowmaster 40 series,autolite plugs.
I am still using the stock intake manifold for
at least 3-4 months.
Thanks
Bill 99 CC R/T
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figitdotcom
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3/12/2003
13:15:10
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hey Bill I ran the 53mm (dan found that 53mm works better than 52mm on our 360's in a slightly modded environment using a stock/moddified tb)way before I was blown, I only had an airaid intake and gibson catback and noticed a great difference. I'm staying away from the m1 cause' I don't want to loose a single bit of low end, my powerdyne more than makes up for everything past 3k rpm's so yeah man do it up in fact in order of priority I think a tb would be the next logical step, that or the mopar pcm.
-m
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Stoutcc
Dodge Dakota
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3/12/2003
13:45:04
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2 questions
First what does F&B stand for and where is there site?
The second questions is not totaly related but it seems you all might be the people to ask.
What advantage is a TB spacer going to give. The purpose for a Spacer in a Carb system is to allow the fuel/air to mix more. But with a TB the fuel is injected later, Right?
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figitdotcom
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3/12/2003
13:48:42
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stoutcc F&B stands for frank and bruce and here is the site http://www.flometrics.com/TBhomepage.html, do a search on the tb spacers... they are a waste of money. In fact I saw some pretty interesting info on the speedtweaks.ca site pertaining to them check it out http://www.speedtweaks.ca/tipsandtricks.asp#TBSpacer
-m
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yates-in-DE
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3/12/2003
13:52:24
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Right, it mixes at theintake port.
And the spacer advantage is only 2, #1 you have less weight in your back pocket from the removal of the money, and #2 you have a smaller wallet to sit on,(which is good for your back) cause the money is gone. As far as performance the Company that makes Tornados, (and people that have tried and dyno'd them) sez they really do nothing for HP or torque.
Later,
Lynn
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rtdkota
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3/12/2003
13:56:02
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52mm F&B will be fine-- some low end loss-- but not a big deal, you'll like it-- especially if you are building the mods list and running with more stuff.
Hey Figit-- man, you need to do the M1-2bbl--- It's a good mod-- if you come out to Cali, I'll take you for a spin, and you'll see (even with my M1-4bbl--) the power is there-- No low end loss if done correctly-- and the 2bbl is even more forgiving.
Sam
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b1llyw
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3/12/2003
13:56:06
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They have a new site at:
http://www.fbthrottlebodies.com
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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figitdotcom
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3/12/2003
13:57:46
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hmmmm that's true lynn, I didn't think about the long term advantages on a man's back that's not straining as much from a wad of cash in the wallet. With that in mind maybe airaid should take there tb spacer over to webmd.com and/or hang it on shelves next to the magnetic bracelets :o)
-m
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rtdkota
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3/12/2003
14:01:14
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F&B - Flometrics and Bruce (that's what it's been for a few years)---
Sam
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Demon Dakota
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3/12/2003
14:02:32
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I really like Dan and his TB, but even I will go to F&B when I get blown. In the end, it's all about numbers for me. I want the fastest truck I can build. Plain and simple.
K&N Drop in AF (CAI during summer months)
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
FASTMAN 70mm TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
TPS @ .76 VDC
IAT Adjuster Mod
14.52@94.2 MPH at Silver Dollar Raceway
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big_torque
Dodge Dakota
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3/12/2003
16:21:32
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Id like to see a CFM flow comparison of these TBs instead of dyno HP. Too many variables that can affect HP on a dyno. I dont see how a 50mm can flow (make more HP) more than a 52mm.
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