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Cummins Man
Dodge Dakota
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3/13/2003
07:41:48
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 Subject: RE: whats with these ford and gm boys?
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Ford owns 0 percent of Cummins. I gota go my moms calling.
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bakindak
Dodge Dakota
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3/13/2003
08:06:44
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Cummins man I am telling as well as everyone else here by the looks of it that yes cummins is partially owned by ford, sh*t out of luck there man.
As for dodge switching to detroit diesel that might be a smart move if they did cause I know that the detroit diesel engines way quieter than the cummins and cost no where near as much to maintain
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Cummins Man
Dodge Dakota
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3/13/2003
10:38:32
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Your wrong, Ford owns zero percent of Cummins. Years ago they did have 10 percent of holdings. But that is not true right now. Also the Common Rail is very quiet, again your wrong. I couldn't care what Diesel Dodge uses, I'm a loyal Mopar person who happens to have a Cummins in his Dodge. Uh oh my Moms mad at me now, She caught me on the computer again, See ya.
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Marine1
Dodge Dakota
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3/13/2003
11:35:17
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I have to give Dodge its credit. The 5.9L is a true industrial engine that has had years of great service. Heck, its used in lots of applications, not just as a PU engine. When it comes to a hard working motor an inline engine will typically outlast a V configured engine. Just look at Fords 300 inline 6, in my opinion as well as others, is Fords best work engine ever. Another one is Chryslers slant 6. Both known to go 250K without being overhauled.
Yes, the Powerstrokes are good solid work engines and may have more power but which one is going to need more attention? If your in the real world (meaning a contractor, etc, not a pencil pusher) the answer is evident. The only thing that makes me nervous about buying a HO mopar would be the trannys, we just don't get along for some reason.
As a true work truck, being a chevy guy, but owning a Dakota, I would have to put my money on Fords. Coming from a large family of contractors Fords just seem to last longer under servere conditions. Not saying their engines are better just the way the trucks are built. A large HVAC company that my Father's plumbing co works with uses powerstrokes. They have been complaining of problems with the reliability of their 7.3s lately. They just bought (last year) 4 new powerstrokes and all but one has been back to the dealer for major work. To be honest with you guys I would prefer the Chevy/Detroit diesel 6.5 actually. My old mans 93 EX cab long box 3/4 ton has one an it has had no major problems at all except for the head gasket that we have to fix this weekend. Not bad for a 10 year old truck with 230K + and people still mistake it for a 65K mile truck!
Just wanted to express my views since we have been using these trucks for what they were built for (not saying that some of you haven't but we all have seen Pencil pushers driving em like they really need em)
Semper Fi guys!
Rob
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1999 Dodge Dakota CC Sport 4X4
5.2L 3.92 Auto
"If the Army and the Navy ever look upon Heaven's scene, they will notice that the streets are guarded by United States Marines"
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bakindak
Dodge Dakota
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3/13/2003
15:42:10
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I have to say you are right there marine1 those old 6.2/6.5 TD's out of gm just keep on going, or seem to to, my mom bought a 92 3/4 ton with the 6.2 and she worked the snot out of it, blew the engine at 260k if i remember so they rebuilt it and the 6.5 that is in it now has like about the same on it and it just keeps going
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diesel weasle
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3/13/2003
15:56:55
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Detroit Diesel's reputation is for power, not quiet; ask any real trucker !
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Marine1
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3/13/2003
17:59:34
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The 6.5L is a 6.2L with lower compression and a turbo and is not a 350 conversion. Just FYI. I have yet to experience a 6.5L fail in a Humvee.
Rob
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1999 Dodge Dakota CC Sport 4X4
5.2L 3.92 Auto
"If the Army and the Navy ever look upon Heaven's scene, they will notice that the streets are guarded by United States Marines"
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bakindak
Dodge Dakota
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3/14/2003
07:09:46
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well diesel being my dad owns a 98 freightliner FLD 120 with a 425hp detroit in I think I speak with a certain amount of confidence when I say it is fairly quiet for a diesel, second of all the old 6.2/6.5 td were made by you guessed it Detroit Diesel, dont believe me it is stamped somewhere on the block
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Marine1
Dodge Dakota
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3/14/2003
15:37:51
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*I agree with you wholeheartedly bakindak, just read my post above.
Rob
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1999 Dodge Dakota CC Sport 4X4
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"If the Army and the Navy ever look upon Heaven's scene, they will notice that the streets are guarded by United States Marines"
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bobarino
Dodge Dakota
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4/16/2003
01:20:01
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diesel weasel
Detroit's old rep is for smoke and noise, but their new engines are soooo much quieter thanks to common rail injection (developed in a joint partnership with mercedes). We run some 4000 series v12's (48 liter-roughly 3000hp 6900 ft-lb) and they get drowned out by the roar of an old 12v92. No smoke either. Also note that the ford doesn't have all those extra revs just to make powerchoke lovers happy it needs that much engine speed to make their "best in class power and torque" Watch a ford with the trashional pull a fifth wheel up a 10% grade and fall away from the cummins he could keep up with on the flats and you'll see what I mean.
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CarfixerDO
Dodge Dakota
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4/22/2003
00:10:47
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The stock holders for Cummins is as follows:
Ownership Information - Cummins Inc. (NYSE:CUM)
As of 21-Apr-03
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More Info: Quote | Chart | News | Profile | Reports | Research | SEC | Msgs | Insider | Financials | Analyst Ratings
Top Institutional Holders Shares %Out* Value** Reported
Capital Research and Management Company 3,300,000 7.95 $83,259,000 31-Dec-02
AXA Financial, Inc. 1,567,004 3.78 $39,535,510 31-Dec-02
Morgan Stanley 1,301,979 3.14 $32,848,930 31-Dec-02
LSV Asset Management 1,288,088 3.1 $32,498,460 31-Dec-02
Lord Abbett & Co 1,122,230 2.7 $28,313,862 31-Dec-02
Van Den Berg Management Inc. 1,080,681 2.6 $27,265,581 31-Dec-02
TCW Group, Inc. (The) 944,699 2.28 $23,834,755 31-Dec-02
State Street Corporation 929,539 2.24 $23,452,268 31-Dec-02
Dimensional Fund Advisors Inc 797,900 1.92 $20,131,017 31-Dec-02
Deprince, Race & Zollo, Inc. 772,700 1.86 $19,495,221 31-Dec-02
Top Mutual Fund Holders Shares %Out* Value** Reported
Investment Company Of America 1,700,000 4.1 $42,891,000 30-Sep-02
Lord Abbett Mid Cap Value Fund 674,100 1.62 $17,007,543 31-Jan-03
Pioneer Mid Cap Value Fund 450,000 1.08 $11,353,500 31-Oct-02
Morgan Stanley Institutional Fd-Value Portfolio 433,800 1.05 $10,944,774 30-Sep-02
Vanguard 500 Index Fund 346,259 0.83 $8,736,114 31-Dec-02
EQ Advisors Trust-Eq/Alliance Common Stock Portfolio 318,800 0.77 $8,043,324 31-Dec-02
Gartmore Total Return Fund 272,890 0.66 $6,885,014 31-Oct-02
Diversified Investors Growth & Income Portfolio 270,000 0.65 $6,812,100 31-Dec-02
Diversified Investors Value & Income Portfolio 270,000 0.65 $6,812,100 31-Dec-02
Armada Small Cap Value Fund 266,000 0.64 $6,711,180 30-Nov-02
I hope that puts to rest the Ownership confusion. As an owner of several service garages and the owner of a 40 ft. Fleetwood Discovery with a Cummins, a Ford F800 with a 5.9 Cummins and a Dodge Ram 2500 with a Cummins, I can state with accuracy that the Cummins has been the most tempermental engine I have worked with. I have several 6.5 GM diesels which are very underpowered and I also have two Ford F550 with the 7.3 Powerstroke. The Ford Powerstroke is by far the most reliable engine. The problem with the Cummins have been fractured engine blocks and fractured exhaust manifolds. My Discovery has had the most problems. But the most significant problem with Cummins has been Customer Service. They have successfully made me a Powerstroke fan for life. Cummins has cancelled my Insite diagnostic computer software program. Continually given less than accurate advice etc. I would hope that Dodge moves on and it is not with Cummins. One other interesting note is that Cummins is not doing well in the Stock Market and also Fleetwood has left Cummins for Catapiller. Maybe I am not the only one Cummins has marketed away.
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