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1/21/2003
19:49:05

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Jeff Arnold makes the M1 2bbl turtles. He can be reached at flameredrt@hotmail.com. Occasionally you can find a used small/large on sale from someone who bought a larger one.

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1/21/2003
19:55:16

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thanks for the info there Steve....but who were you talking to? just felt the need to blurt it out?....lol

~Eric
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1/21/2003
22:04:29

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I think he was talkin to anyone w/ a M-1 2bbl lol

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1/21/2003
23:05:21

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Anybody have a pic of a lrg. or extra lrg. turtle inside the M1 ? I`d like to see what it looks like compared to my small turtle. I think I shoulda got the lrg.



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1/22/2003
09:58:33

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I had the large turtle, I think you should go for the extra large turtle.

If everyone say's they didn't loose much torque, why is almost every M1 owner so intrested in trying to buy these turtle's up?

Mopar should convert there HEMI M1 dual plan intake into a MPI intake for the Magnum :)

It's too bad the magnum crate engines are not recommended to MPI replacements. In mopar mag they got a 380hp rated magnum to make 409hp and high 400tq with just some tweaks.



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1/22/2003
13:10:57

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i have a M1 without a turtle, and i dont really care to have one. no way in he11 i would buy one for $50. if someone gave me one for free, i would try it, but thats about it.

~Eric
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1/22/2003
14:23:17

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can u use a xtra large turtle in a stock 318 intake manifold will it increase power



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1/22/2003
15:36:27

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No, a dual plan intakes cannot take advantage of this part, just like the throttle body spacer.

If you read up on single plan and dual plan you'll under stand why.



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1/22/2003
18:02:27

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Does anyone have any dyno #'s to back the turtles up? It sounds like it would work in theory, just like the TB spacers. I'm just looking for some solid proof.



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1/22/2003
18:05:13

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There was a thread further down where someone asked about turtles, and I accidentally filled out the subject field so it turned my reply into a new thread. oops.





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1/22/2003
20:07:47

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"F" the turtle. Has anyone came across another manifold? Possibly a dual plane that is good up to say 5500 RPM's.



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1/23/2003
01:08:13

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frog, you still liking the 21lb injectors?

~Eric
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1/23/2003
01:31:55

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Eric,

So what are you saying about people who have bought a turtle (me)? You saying I wasted my money? ;)

Eli
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1/23/2003
01:57:02

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well, i didnt notice much of a loss in lowend with the M-1, and i highly doubt that it would give you even 1/2 of a tenth in the 1/4, so its just not a part that i NEED.

im not saying you wasted your cash. just try it out,and if its not for you, sell it. since jeff is not making them any more, you could probably get your money back, or maby make a profit off of it.
i have a 5speed, and my 1st gear is a lot lower than yours, so you might feel more of a torque loss than me (but you bigger engine might offset the gearing...i dont know)

yes, you can have a passenger at irwindale..you going?

~Eric
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1/23/2003
03:35:11

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Eric,

lol, just bustin your b@lls! As long as my mind thinks it's working, then it's all good. ;) Kind of like certain dakota owners who think there stock truck is faster than a Lightning...cough...cough...if you know what I mean! lol

Yup, I might go. What time will you be there? I can get to the track off the 210 freeway right? What are the helmet requirements?

Eli





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1/23/2003
03:47:26

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the track is off the 605 at. uhhhh....i cant remember the name of the off ramp.

you need a helmet of you run a 8.99 or better i beleve.

~Eric
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1/23/2003
23:27:35

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Hey Eric, I love these 21 lb injectors. I got all my issues fixed from when we were down in Carlsbad, and hope to get out again soon. She is running really strong. I just can't get the tme to get the gears done.

I beat up on a brand new M3 the other day. My buddy from work almost $hit himself. He didn't think my truck was that fast.

I think I would like to try one of those turtles. Where can I get one now sice Jeff is not making them anymore.



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1/24/2003
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I got in touch with Jeff 2 weeks ago and he still had some turtles. I got an x-large but I still noticed a lil low end lost with the M-1 over the stock kegger.



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1/24/2003
21:06:25

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frog, you have a mopar pcm right? what RPM is you engine setup for? (im assuming upwards to 6k?)

have you dyno'd it? what was wrong with it at carlsbad?

~Eric
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1/25/2003
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I do have to MOPAR PCM. It was missing on 2 cylinders down there. I had the MAP sensor plug routed to the intake manifold, and the signal was dropping it on it's A$$. I lost all the power in 3rd gear. These heads and cam are monsters. I did dyno it again, and she is at 293HP/287TQ.





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1/25/2003
22:02:31

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oh $hit! thats what mine did...only in 4th (wich is equivalant to a 3rd gear auto...both being a 1:1 ratio)

hmmm....so when you put it back to the TB, it fixed the problem?

what RPM was it that got you thoes numbers?

~Eric
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1/26/2003
00:37:10

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Yes it fixed it and I reset PCM(MOPAR) 3 times due to new injectors, and all was good.

293HP @5400, But they shut it off. I think it should be more. The curve was still climbing.

287TQ @3800-4800. It was a solid line all the way across the board. It dropped to about 267 at 5400RPM's

The best part is when you look at the graph, the lines are almost straight across for TQ, and HP just keeps going up up up.



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1/26/2003
00:42:22

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thats awsome dude, good numbers! i kinda figured with ported 2.02 heads on a 318, you would be making your power at 6k+ rpm's.

you interested in going down to irwindale one of these thrusday nights? maby we can get a few people together

~Eric
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1/26/2003
01:32:18

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Hell Yeah. I need to find some slicks for my stock rims though. I can't wait to get the TQ-Converter in and the gears.



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1/26/2003
01:33:22

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Hell Yeah. I need to find some slicks for my stock rims though. I can't wait to get the TQ-Converter in and the gears.



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1/26/2003
01:38:41

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cool dude, maby in a couple of weeks we can hook up. i am really interested in seeing how your combo works.

~Eric
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