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Waltherone
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1/01/2003
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I just rolled over 30k miles, and was getting ready to change my tranny fluid and filter and thought hmm...this should be under warranty at this mileage, so I'll make them do it at their cost.
They were closed today obviously, but I am just wondering, does anyone know if they'll do a tranny flush and replace ALL of the fluid all under warranty?
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Paul Watts
Dodge Dakota
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1/01/2003
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Maintanance items such as oil changes, trans
service, brake lining and such isn't covered
under warranty. On really low milage some
maintanance items are covered like brakes if
they should "fail" in a resonably short time.
The Neons back in the mid 90's that had lining
that would fail under 1000 miles comes to
mind. A trans. service at 30k would not
thought.
Paul
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
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1/02/2003
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Get some Amsoil from Grady and take it to a shop and have them do a service on it ($40-60) which includes a filter change and band adjustment.
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Waltherone
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1/02/2003
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Jim.....I thought the 45RFE had no bands? :D I forgive you tho... and I can't afford the amsoil (see post regarding this on the delphi r/t board called tranny flush (houston))
You wanna buy me a bunch of amsoil? My birthday is in march, it could count :)
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
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1/03/2003
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How can not afford Amsoil. Amsoil is about $2.00 cheaper then ATF+4 at the Dealership and is a better product. If you do not have a prefered customer account you are looking at $7.50-$7.80 a quart for Amsoil ATF and Dealership want $9.95 a quart for ATF+4 and only sell it by the gallon. If you get a preferred customer account you can get Amsoil ATF for something like $5.50 a quart!!!! So it would be very dificult not to be able to afford it. Amsoil ATF will do more to protect your transmisson from early failure then ATF+4.
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rudy
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1/04/2003
13:45:39
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put the amsoil in and if your trans blows your out
a trans, mopar won't warranty it you must use
atf +4 if it calls for it
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Hanky
Dodge Dakota
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1/04/2003
18:34:26
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Here is a thread I saved in my favorites for future reference:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/5599.html
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
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1/04/2003
21:57:26
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Rudy their is no polite say this so here it goes. You are wrong!DC can not void the warranty because you do not use Mopar ATF+4. All they can reguire is that you use fluids meeting the minimum specifications they set out. So it does not matters who makes the tranny fluid as long as it meets ATF+4 spec.'s. DC does not make their own tranny fluid. They pay someone to produce it to their spec's. It could be any brand you want!!!! If they try to tell you that get it in writeing!! See Magnuson Moss Act it prohibites them from requireing you to use any given brand of parts or chemicals to maintain a warranty unless they are going to provide the parts and chemicals free of charge to you! As far as I am aware only two companys have synthetic Tranny fluid that meets ATF+4 requirements and that if Amsoil Universal Synthetic ATF and Redline Synthetic C+ATF.
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Eric
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1/05/2003
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FYI,
Here in SD(actually Escondido), I just saw Amsoil ATF for approx. $8.90/qt. at a local off-road supply store. Makes me glad I get a discount.
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Waltherone
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1/05/2003
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sandman....as you can tell I hadn't priced the Mopar tranny fluid yet. If that's the case then I WILL be switching to amsoil.
Also, I was given the idea to FULLY drain the fluid without paying for a flush to do the following:
Drop the pan, change the filter and then refill with the amount needed to fill the pan (service manual said 5 quarts I believe). Then, disconnect a tranny cooler line and start the engine, the tranny will automatically pull from the pan and push it into the rest of the tranny, pushing the stuff that was up in the convertor out thru the unplugged line where it would normally go abck into the pan.. steadily pour tranny fluid into the filler as the truck runs..once 7 quarts flow out of the unplugged line (7 quarts as specified in the manual) reconnect the line and shut off truck, check tranny fluid, add or drain as needed if extra or not enough is present. Then drive off happily.
Is that really safe to do???
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1/05/2003
21:18:28
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12 EASY STEPS FOR CHANGING TRANSMISSION FLUID AND FILTER
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This information (provided by Amsoil) has been posted on other threads but I am posting here for the benefit of all interested:
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AMSOIL Synthetic ATF provides outstanding high and low temperature performance and oxidation stability. AMSOIL Synthetic ATF also improves fuel efficiency, reduces transmission temperatures and increases equipment life. The service life of the universal AMSOIL Synthetic ATF is up to five times the service life of conventional ATFs.
Since 1999, due to the special requirements of their automatic transmissions, Chrysler has recommended a unique ATF+4 formulation. In addition, Chrysler has been recommending ATF+4 for all previous makes and models of Chrysler Corporation vehicles. The new AMSOIL Synthetic ATF exceeds the performance specifications for Chrysler ATF+, +2, +3, and +4 as well as MS-7176 A, B, C, D, & E; MS-9602 A, B, & C. as well as Ford Mercon or General Motors Dexron III applications.
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12 EASY STEPS FOR CHANGING TRANSMISSION FLUID AND FILTER
1. Make sure the fluid is warm. Warm up the truck so the transmission is at normal operating temperature. Pull the transmission dipstick. Fresh fluid is translucent and cherry red. Some darkening is normal, but if it is reddish brown or mustard color and smells like burnt varnish, it is worn out.
2. Drain the fluid by loosening the pan. Select the correct filter replacement based on pan shape and prepare a large pan to catch the fluid. Then loosen each pan bolt a turn or two and loosen one corner more than rest. Drain mostly from this corner.
3. Finish removing the pan and any gasket material from the pan or case. Avoid scratching the metal and make sure the pan’s gasket surface isn’t bent or distorted.
4. Remove the old filter. Most transmission filters are held in place with a bolt or two, but some are held by a clip. Be careful to include O-Rings or other seals.
5. Install a new filter. Use the clips or bolts from the old filter. Be sure O-Rings, etc. are in place. If the filter has a long intake neck, gently push the neck into place without unseating the O-Ring.
6. Clean the pan thoroughly. Inspect the pan before cleaning. A small amount of fine grey clutch dust is normal. However, if you find metal shavings, there has been transmission damage. Clean the pan with solvent and wipe dry so there is no harmful residue.
7. Position gasket on pan. Some gaskets have four holes slightly smaller than the rest to allow four bolts through the pan and through these smaller holes to hold the gasket in place.
8. Hand tighten pan bolts in a criss-cross pattern. After that, use a torque wrench to tighten bolts to proper ft-lbs as per manufacturer.
9. Refill the transmission using only the amount shown as “refill capacity” in the owners manual or "AMSOIL Product Selection Guide,” using the type of fluid specified for the vehicle.
10. If doing only a partial fluid replacement, skip to instruction 12 below. If doing a complete fluid replacement, follow the steps in instruction 11.
11. You now have replaced the fluid in the pan. To replace the fluid in the torque converter and oil cooler also, follow these steps.
Step 1. Obtain the total system capacity of the vehicle from the manufacturer or AMSOIL. Have this amount readily available.
Step 2. Disconnect the oil cooler line from the oil cooler. As you may not know which is the pressure side and which is the return side, have both directed so the stream of fluid will be directed toward a receptacle.
Step 3. With another person, be prepared to add ATF to the fill area as it is being pumped out of the oil cooler line.
Step 4. Start the engine, and as the old fluid is pumped out, add fresh fluid to the pan.
Step 5. When either the fluid color brightens or the total capacity has been replaced, shut the engine off and re-attach the oil cooler line. All fluids has now been changed.
12. Recheck the fluid level. With the truck on level ground, set the parking brake and the transmission in “Park” or “Neutral.” Let the engine idle for a few minutes. Shift the transmission into different positions before returning the lever to “Park” or “Neutral.” Check the fluid level again and check for leaks.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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sandman
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1/06/2003
19:12:39
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It is safe if you follow the steps and have at least two people three is even better involved with clear comunication signals. If you wait until you have hit 30,000 miles this is about the cheapest way to do this and do it all at once. In the future I will tell you what I do. I drive the truck until it has 10,000 miles on it. I put it up on ramps and then I drain all the fluid out. I change the filters at this point as well. Then I refill with 7 quarts of synthetic ATF. I drive the vechile until it has 30,000 miles on it and do it all over again. This time I put another 7 quarts in and call it good. I figure that the concentration of synthetic ATF has to be very high at this point. Considering that the ATF+4 that DC uses is hydrocracked(see semi-synthetic)I really can not see messing around with a flush or removeing the return line to the trany if done on my time table. With my time table you get two trany fluid and filter changes in the first 30,000 miles so the OEM fluid never has a chance to significantly oxidize. If you have waited to 30,000 it might be a good idea to follow the 12 step flush plan Amsoil outlines for best performance. As long as you are dumping it in faster then it is comeing out and the guy in the treck shuts off the engine when you give the signal all will be fine! I would recomend a cheap kiddy pool or other large container that will not require any supervision to catch the fluid as it comes out. Review the service manualy and see if DC uses teflon tape on the thread fittings if so make sure you have some handy.
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parts manager
Dodge Dakota
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1/07/2003
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for the question about selling atf+4 only in gallons part number 05013457aa is quart size 05013458aa is gallon gallon are cheaper to purchase from chrysler.
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sandman
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1/07/2003
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I figured DC sold it by the quart. I was just telling them about my experince at the local DC parts counter. They would only sell it to me buy the gallon and priced it out by the quart. They wanted $9.95 a quart. I do not understand how dealerships manage to sell anything to anyone. The prices are so insane! It is no wounder their are so many parts stores poping up!!
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Waltherone
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1/08/2003
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Yup, I went and got prices on the stock limited slip and 3.92 gears just to compare to aftermarket..
The prices they gave me were $430 and $375, I think the 430 was for the LSD and the 375 for the gears...either way, that's still insane, I got BOTH of them in the end, for less than 430!
Oh...and one more question about my tranny flushing thing...what if you DON'T have a tranny cooler? I'm getting one soon, but kinda planned on the flush before the cooler.. I imagine I can just hook up a hose to wherever the cooler will hook up in the future, and use that hose strictly for the drain, then plug it back up afterward?
Thanks....you guys are helpin a LOT on this one
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sandman
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1/08/2003
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You can get a nice trany cooler kit for $20-$40. I would wait and do both at the same time. This way you can kill two birds with one stone. It would be a shame to make a mess twice and waste good fluid the second time around!
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Waltherone
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1/23/2003
22:16:35
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heh, digging up an old thread, again!
One more thing, I'm about to do the flush tomorrow, when I shut off the truck, will fluid continue to drain out of the disconnected hoses? (other than the little that was in the hose right when I shut it off?)
My sister is going to be the one manning the hose-watching post, but if those hoses need to be capped right as I shut it off, I might need to find someone else..
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