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Bozz
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12/05/2002
18:37:14

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Will a Dodge dealer do a reflash or judtperformance shops? ANy idea what it costs? Is it better to get a reflash or a new PCM? Thanks
I'm sure ya'll have discussed this before, but I'm just starting to get into the performance side a little.



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12/05/2002
18:57:12

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Don't let the dealer touch it unless it's absolutely necessary. Check out B&G, Mike Leach, or Kenne Bell for performance flashes. You can do searches on these. Good luck.

2000 4.7 CC auto, clear corners, Magnaflow catback, Kenne Bell s/c.

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12/05/2002
22:03:13

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Thanks. Thats a good start to research.



texaslawdawg
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12/05/2002
22:17:50

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Dodge only makes the high performance PCM for 2000 and below. I have done extensive research on PCM flashes recently. I will be sending my 2002 R/T's PCM to B&G Chrysler in Warren, Mich next week. I called both Kenne Bell and ASE and their flash only removes the speed limiter and advances the timing and "improves driveability" (what a joke). But the guys at B&G reprogam the air/fuel/spark ratios (advances the timing), increases transmission shift points, sets speed limiter at 135, and removes the torque management setting (this is what keeps all your power from reaching the rear wheels). They even give you the choice of flashes according to your intake manifold (stock or M1), the M1 flash has higher timing advance and higher shift points). Now for the bad news.....$630.00. But everyone says its awsome and worth the money. I'll be posting my opinion in a couple of weeks after I test mine out.



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12/17/2002
13:40:28

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Texaslawdog, have you tested your new PCM yet? I have a 2001 rc R/t and am waiting to see how you like it.



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12/17/2002
15:18:42

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When you remove the torque management will it make your truck lose even more traction off the line? I want the flash but I cant even hook up now with just an air intake, tb, and exhuast. Of course it could be due to the fact I still got the stock tires on. Also could I get the M-1 flash and add the m-1 on later.



texaslawdawg
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12/18/2002
00:19:08

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2002 R/T - Regular B&G Flash Results:

Well I plugged it in and took it for a ride. First off I'll I say I'm a
person thats not easily impressed and very negative. Having said that, here
is what I experienced: A rough idle for about 15 seconds then leveled out.
Quite a bit of smoke, it ran rather rich for about 5 minutes and the exhaust
had a strong fuel mixture. That also seemed to get better in a few minutes
and pretty well got back to normal after about a 10 mile drive. From the
start it will now spin the tires, which it would not do before so the torque
management was definately removed. It does seem to get to the 3000 range a
little quicker and the shift point at WOT is now about 4950 to 5000 rather
than 4800 as before (he said 5100 to 5200). The speed limiter was 115 and I
just pegged it out at 120 so that was also removed. Maybe I just need more
motor work (cam, lifters, TB, ect) but I was kinda disappopinted. I know
that a $500 flash aint gonna turn it into a beast, but I was expecting more
of a change, maybe I was expecting too much. But at least I have it now and
I can start adding more mods, it will come in handy in the future.

My truck has the stock intake manifold, K&N
FIPK, 180t, 3923's, Brass Cap, MOPAR Wires, Flowmaster, Basically a stock
truck, no internal mods.








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12/18/2002
00:23:24

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You don't seem all that impressed Texaslawdawg. Do you wish you would have done something else? What other options do we 01+ owners have?



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12/18/2002
21:02:44

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2001RT: Thats the problem, we 2000+ owners have limited choices. Actually the B&G flash has been by far the best recommended among all PCM mods. ASE and Kenne Bell both have PCM mods but they are not as good as the BG, and the ASE is actually a "chip" that they cut into your box and manually work on the PCM. B&G was the only place that can increase transmission shift points, the other two just advance timing and remove the top speed limiter. Ive had several guys tell me the last two days that the flash will get better over time, the truck has to actually adjust to the changes. I think a cam and 4:10 gears are my next mods. Im looking for low end only, I have absolutley no need to go 140mph, I just want to get to 100 as quick as possible !! Good Luck



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