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xplikt
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4/09/2002
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What would you know about adding power.. Duner! ;)
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Duner
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4/09/2002
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But it's still one of my favorite subjects!
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LI Blackdak
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4/09/2002
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dunner your truck is too slow...lol V6s run 9s stock...hehe
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Tom Slick
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4/09/2002
21:46:19
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In the eighth mile, maybe...
he he he
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Tom "Slick"
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bernd
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4/10/2002
02:08:26
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Easy there Tom. ;)
Lemme put my engine back together and i'll run ya with my V6. LOL
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TallQuad
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4/12/2002
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Hey bernd, you might have said this before, but when do you estimate the 4.7 turbo kit to be available and the cost of it? And what will the parts included be. I checked your site but couldn't find info. Thanks!
TallQuad
2002 2wd QC 4.7 5spd. 3.92
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Tom Slick
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4/12/2002
16:05:39
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We will begin on the 4.7L turbo kit once the 5.2L/5.9L twin turbo kit and 3.9L single turbo kits are done... no set timeframe, at this time.
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Tom "Slick"
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xplikt
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4/12/2002
18:43:58
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Aww man, savin' the best for last eh?
lol, kiddin' kiddin'....hold the flamethrowers.
You think it will be done by August? I was planing on taking a trip to Denver around then and wanted to go to a track -- I'll still go with or without the turbo, but it would be nice. ;)
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LI Blackdak
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4/12/2002
18:44:11
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hey bernd,
I'll bet u my dak that you can't make your truck faster then dunners w/o engine drop or N2O.
and if u can't u send me a 3.9 turbo for free...
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Tom Slick
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4/12/2002
18:55:27
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LI Blackdak - engine drop?
Are you sure you want to make that bet???
:-)
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Tom "Slick"
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Dr0p0ff
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4/12/2002
19:13:32
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damn... strong words.. and with a gun to my head is the only way i'd bet my truck, and i'd still have to think about it for a sec!
Sgt G
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bernd
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4/12/2002
20:56:00
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LiBlackDak: Hehehehe...ya wanna bet? ;)
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LI Blackdak
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4/12/2002
21:31:07
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WITH NO NITROUS YOUR GOING TO RUN 12S???
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LI Blackdak
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4/12/2002
21:32:42
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oh yeah...no weight reduction either
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LI Blackdak
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21:35:17
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you're not your...lol
i wouldn't really give it to him
i just want to see him do it without nitrous
lets remember bernds truck only ran 15s w/o n2o
what was duners 1/4 again??? 12.9???
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LI Blackdak
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4/12/2002
21:37:53
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doesn't count if the displacement goes above 3.9 either
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LI Blackdak
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4/12/2002
21:38:41
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give it a shot bernd
i wont give u my truck, but it would be neat to try
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Dr0p0ff
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4/12/2002
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Blackdak, i'm sure i'll get corrected if i'm wrong, but i thought Duner pumped out a 12.7
Keep on truckin!
Sgt G
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LI Blackdak
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4/12/2002
22:52:10
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even better
there u go bernd.. run a 12.7 w/o n2o and no one can talk shlt about u anymore
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bernd
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4/13/2002
00:29:57
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Hmmmm...projected, intercooled boost at 12# with modified (still 3.9L) engine comes out to an average of about 400HP. (No nitrous either.)
4100lb with 400HP comes to about a 12.6-12.8 1/4 mile.
Hehehehe...wanna bet? ;)
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LI Blackdak
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4/13/2002
00:32:56
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i dont wanna bet, but I'll believe it when i see the time slip bernd
your telling me that turbo is going to more then double your hp???
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bernd
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4/13/2002
00:46:47
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Turbo, Cam, heads, other "minor" engine work. ;)
Remember, the 10# boost (non-intercooled) from the old S/C gave me another 100HP at the rear wheels. With the nitrous, another (close to) 50HP at the rear wheels. Putting the RWHP at 259 (that's close to 310HP at the crank). Almost double from factory (40HP shy - stock heads and cam).
Add the intercooler (cooling down the intake charge) which helps to make more power, running 2# more boost than before (turbo as well which builds boost much more quickly that the S/C), custom cam, head work, 1.7 rollers, fully balanced and blueprinted engine (with all the trimmings to handle more than 12# boost), and a few other "tweaks" to the fuel/timing curve, and the 400HP at the crank isn't hard to reach.
Also remember that there was another turbo'd V6 running 11.7's with similar modifications (only twin at around 18# boost). A 12.6-12.8 isn't hard to reach with traction (which is gonna be a problem for a little while).
It's going to take about another 2-3 months for everything to be fully tuned and broken in...but will be worth the effort. :)
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LI Blackdak
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4/13/2002
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so your saying best case scenerio you tie him
i thought u were shooting for low to mid 13s
will a relative novice be able to do a turbo installation?? no not u liblackdak ur a moron coments from the peanut gallery. i know im a moron
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bernd
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4/13/2002
00:49:45
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Don't get me wrong here...Duner has an awesome running 4.7L. Just remember, there's always going to be someone faster (not saying it's me...but it is within reach if all goes well).
If Duner and I line up, believe me...it's gonna be one hell of a race. (And i'm sure either one would shake the others hand on a very quick run.) I would. :)
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bernd
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4/13/2002
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Best case scenario would be a 12.5. I was shooting for 13's in the beginning but found ways to add more HP without putting too much more strain on the engine. Again, we will find out once all is completed and broken in.
On the turbo installation, it's a bit more complicated with the intercooler than without (Liquid-Air intercooler is all we're using...no Air-Air as they're not as efficient).
Pump, Intercooler, Heat Exchanger(s), plumbing, heat shields, custom manifold(s), and oiling system takes a bit more than just a simple "bolt on" Supercharger. With a kit that's designed for the vehicle, a novice may be able to install it but would recommend that you have someone help that has some knowledge of engines.
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Duner
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4/13/2002
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Gee, I go to dinner and I come back and have a race lined up! hehehe
I would love to race Bernd. I love racing period. This is a friendly competition, and even if it wasn't - I would shake his hand regardless of the outcome. I think I would win.... but I don't think I would bet anybody's truck on it! hehehe Just so you know.... I would race even if I thought I would lose. I just love to race! Like Bernd said - somebody is always faster. Always has been and it always will be that way. A few of the local R/T guys have spanked me badly in the past.... and I am definately working towards getting them back!
Bernd - what I really want to race is that twin-turbo R/T you guys are working on! I think that would be the perfect turbo vs turbo - 4.7 vs 5.9 race. Do you have any predictions for ET and speed? Will I see the truck in June? hehehe Got Cage? LOL
The last dyno run I had done BEFORE going to the turbo showed 242 rwhp and 322 ft-lbs rwtq.
http://members.cox.net/duner/Turbo/Duner47DynoWcooler.JPG
Theoretically - 10 lbs of boost should equal 414 rwhp. That pretty much falls right in line with the 12.76 @ 107.77 mph that I ran with 10 lbs of boost at 1400' altitude with a 4225 lb truck. The mph is down on that run (too much fuel), but I expect to have all that dialed in a bit better in the very near future. 14 lbs of boost should come out to 484 rwhp - and about 12.0s at the same altitude. The Gtech said it went 12.05 @ 119 mph (on my street tires), but I don't have a timeslip to back that up. I have made some more mods since then, and hope to add the intercooler system shortly. I think you know where I'm heading with all this.....
I would love nothing better than to go to the track and have them kick me out for not having a cage! I'm not too sure I want to deal with that part of it.... but it would be an awesome milestone achievement to say the least!
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xplikt
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4/13/2002
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He hasn't even hit the drivetrain yet!
There is always someone faster! Here in Montana there are old beater hick trucks with large enignes in them that can really make them scoot. Can't say much about the ricers though...
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bernd
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4/13/2002
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Duner: Yup...we'll have the truck out at the R/T Nats. Don't know about the cage....but man, that would really SUCK if we needed it! LOL ;)
The Twin system is being installed on a relatively stock 360 (right down to the factory manifold). This is because we want to fit it for a "stock" engine. Granted, with custom ground Cam, Roller Rockers, M1, R/T Heads, and the standard "mods" for the driveline...heck, i'd go after Ron in "Big Bird". ;) We're predicting about 420-450HP out of the engine with the twin setup. Keep in mind that the ONLY reason for the twin setup is due to the CID of the engine.
Heheheheh...I could just see it now: Duner in his 4.7L and Bernd in his V6 running at the R/T nats and getting kicked off of the track for running too quick. LOL (Uhhhh...let's keep that to ourselves and off of the R/T list.) ;)
Folks, remember one thing in this thread: There's NO substitute for cubic inches so the end result (with all other mods being somewhat "alike") would be Duner kicking my butt all over the place at the track. (If they don't kick us off the track first.) With more boost, the smaller engine can act like a bigger one. But one you put more boost on the bigger engine, the smaller one can't keep up anymore. That's the cold hard fact on CID engines. (I don't see no steenkin' ricers running 4-second/300MPH+ passes!)
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Duner
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Very true. There is no substitute for cubic inches.... if all else is equal.
It sounds like you are planning on putting about 12 lbs of boost to the 5.9? If the rest of the engine is stock..... then I'll probably be enjoying life! hehehe Granted, I know full well that a sufficiently modded 5.9 would spank me badly with 12 lbs of turbo boost. You just know that somebody is gonna show up with a twin-turbo'd 408 that's built to handle the boost..... now that will fly!
What's the maximum amount of boost anyone has run on a 5.9 engine without needing head gaskets fairly soon?
I doubt that anybody will have to worry about hitting 11s in Tucson (in June). Between the actual altitude and heat - the density altitude will probably be in the 6500' range! Now that will suck some of the HP right out of the equation! LOL Everybody is probably gonna be giving up about 7 or 8 tenths. But I will certainly do my best to go as quickly as I possibly can. (like always) I have a sneaking suspicion that some people are going to be greatly disappointed when they get to Tucson. Enough of them choked when they went to Topeka last year! hahaha
But I still wanna get kicked off the track somewhere! Maybe Cecil? LOL
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xplikt
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A twin turbo 408 would be very frightening!
"I would love nothing better than to go to the track and have them kick me out for not having a cage!"
I don't know if I would be sad or happy if I got kicked out.. When do you need a helment? Like 12s or something?
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