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CW
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3/22/2002
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Alright the roads finaly gave me a chance to give the truck a run. Best I had run yet on that strech of road was a 15.2. I ran a 15.0, 14.76, 15.12 and a 14.92. This was under very simular conditions only thing changed was the cams. No rest between runs and traction is a problem. The 15.12 was when I tried not to spin out of the hole and bogged the engine. So far from what I can tell a couple of tenths for 3 hours of work and not that much money.
Remember this is at 3000 feet. Corrected times for my best run was 14.22. With the summer tires on I hope to have 14.7s and 14.8s as regular runs. Not to much further to corrected 13s. Traction bars would be a good asset.
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Dr Q
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3/22/2002
22:40:26
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YEEEEHAAAWW! Way to go CW! What's next chip or heads? Dropping four tenths with a cam...HMMM didn't you say a "mild" increase in power?
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'01 Patriot Blue SLT RC 4.7 5sp 3.92 pegleg
0-60 @ 6.20sec.
1/4mi @ 14.75@97.1
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conig
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3/22/2002
23:05:45
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In most cases I've seen cams add more in time than they do in horsepower,I think it'sbecause they change the engine properties
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CW
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3/22/2002
23:11:06
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Thats best run to best run. I usualy run the 14.9s instead of 14.7s. When I saw that 14.76 flash up there I was like WOO HOO gotta love that feeling. I got added torque with the cams that help me get out of the hole better. Traction is something to be desired though. Real easy for it to just blow the tires.
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CW
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3/23/2002
11:58:18
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Heads are going to stay on because I have no good place to tie up the truck while I have it apart. Think I will try a ICON timing controler. I like the ability to adjust the timing curve to how good of fuel you have. I don't want to have to run 92+ octane gas in the winter at 40 below. Way to expencive. It will make nearly as much HP as the custom programed controller but I can switch back to regular gas at will.
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ZenDak
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3/23/2002
13:14:21
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CW- do you wish you would have waited for other aftermarket/more aggressive cams came out? Isn't hughes engines working on something for us?
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alex
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3/23/2002
13:55:27
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The difference here is that CW already has his power RIGHT NOW. And for only $170 (or whatever he paid). The Hughes stuff is only rumor for now.
I say it's only a rumor because all i've seen is promises of "coming soon." Well, that's great. Where is it???
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CW
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3/23/2002
16:43:54
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Alex is right they were cheap. I only paid $150 Cnd. for both cams and did the work my self. It was a good thing for $150. KRC is working on them as well but seem sceptical to me. Doubt they will be cheap either.If there are cams that are better then I might try them out.
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alex
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3/23/2002
17:19:52
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BTW, dont' under-sell this stuff, CW. 2 tenths in the quarter is about 10-15 horsepower. And for $150, that's huge. And remember, you said that was on snow tires. Sounds like with soem bite, they could be worth 4 tenths.
Hmmmm.......
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alex
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3/23/2002
17:27:08
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Let's just re-visit this one more time. I just read under the "How Fast Are You" post that you're turning 97 mph, right? Well, G-Techs are notorious for inaccurate MPH readings, but they have been shown to be about 3 mph fast in general. So you could realistically be turning 94 mph in the 1/4 mi at 3000 feet above sea level. That means you are running about as fast as Matt Barrett in Virginia at sea level (4.7 5-spd, std cab, 3.90 rear w/ slicks.... 14.23 @ 94.49 mph). So, you may be running mid to low 14's from just the cam changes.
Whoa. That is really big.
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CW
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3/23/2002
19:05:44
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With all the other mods as well. Now you are making me sceptical. Just bolted on the summer tires I might have to try them out again.
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alex
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3/23/2002
19:08:05
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Keep us posted. If you are still spinning really badly (even on the summer tires) and still running 14.7's we're onto something big (as far as bang for the buck).
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CW
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3/23/2002
19:37:38
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I just ran out and made a few more runs. Results are 15.03, 14.88, 15.04, 15.11<---spun to much. Traction is a issue I think I was getting better bite with the winter tires belive it or not. So I would say I picked up about 3 tenths cause 15.2 was my best in that exact same spot similar conditions. Repeatable 14.7s would be possible with some more traction pretty easy to smoke em. No cool down between runs.
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Hersbird
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3/23/2002
22:10:25
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That is a good improvement CW. I always wondered if the snow tires might help sometimes because they are probably lighter, and maybe a smaller diameter then your factory 16's. even though my snows are lighter then my RSAs now that's is dry and I took out the weight in the bed, I can tell the snows get much less traction off the line. They may still accelerate faster once they hook up cause of the lighter weight, but they suck off the line. My snows are actually 1" taller then the stock RSAs and yet they still won't hook up at all anymore with full throttle anywhere in first gear. Then again I did install the MP PCM over the winter, so maybe that is really adding power off the line. On the note of PCMs, I know it's been discussed here before, but in the latest edition of Mopar Muscle in the "performance clinic" section somebody asked if a MP PCM was availabe for their 2000 4.7 Dakota and they said not only that is was available, they gave the part number, and even went on to say, "you'll have to run 92 octain. It will move the rpm cutoff up about 500-600 rpm and runs maximim timing all the time. The torque and horsepower will be up about 20-30 hp." I think they must just be making the mistake of using the part number from the old catalog and then appling the changes to the 5.2 and 5.9 controllers. Still it makes me wonder if a few of these did sneak out of the MP parts houses. They would bring pretty good dollar on e-bay if they did!
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CW
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3/23/2002
22:18:27
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Yeah I never actualy heard if any made production. I doubt it. That is why I want to try the ICON controller. That way I can adjust as I need. I sure would buy a mopar controller if they would come out with one. Count your self lucky that you got one. I can't:(
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Dr Q
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3/23/2002
23:11:44
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Hey Cw tell us more about the ICON timing controller. Where I work an ICON is a pregnancy test.
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'01 Patriot Blue SLT RC 4.7 5sp 3.92 pegleg
0-60 @ 6.20sec.
1/4mi @ 14.75@97.1
Home Brew Airbox
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kota on 20s
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3/23/2002
23:49:33
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can you hook up the icon to your home pc? (i dont see why not) can you find out the factory settings, so if you want to put the timing back to stock you can?
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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lighting8u
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3/24/2002
08:03:36
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Bla Bla Bla show me the time slips.Show me some proof.Bla Bla
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bernd
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3/24/2002
10:15:04
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The SuperChips ICON is a timing controller. It allows you to adjust the timing curve +/- 20 degrees from 1600rpm - 8000rpm in 400rpm increments. I've been using one for well over a year with excellent results. Biggest gain is allowing you to advance the timing right out of the hole and then retarding it at top-end. Works excellent on supercharged applications as well.
** It's a linear adjustment so it doesn't work well with turbochargers. **
Windows3.1x, Win95, Win98 all work with the software...WinNT, Win2K, and WinXP have problems with the parallel port. Laptop preferred but yes, you can connect it to a home PC with an extra 12v supply (you'll have to remove it from the vehicle unless your home PC can be moved closer to your vehicle).
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Curt
Dodge Dakota
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3/25/2002
22:59:44
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C.W.
Congrats on your experimentation and it seems to work for you. Can you give me the part #'s of the cams, I would like to see what the price is in TX!!
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CW
GenIII
3/26/2002
09:02:57
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Haven't a clue on part #s. Just get them to look up a 2002 Grand Cherokee Overland with the HO 4.7.
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JoeC
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3/27/2002
00:12:59
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Any other HO 4.7 parts worth looking into (crack? intake, pulleys)? Or is the only difference the cams?
Joe
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Jeffster
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3/27/2002
12:21:08
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Crank is billet, and I beleive the pistons are high comp and forged, so yes.
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CW
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3/27/2002
14:23:42
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Your info is a little scewed there jeffester. The pistons are just a regular cast aluminum alloy and the crank is forged. The forging is for strength no hp advantage. But the compression is up at 9.7 intsead of 9 not alot of advantage there either.
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Jeffster
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3/27/2002
17:07:44
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Thanks CW. I knew the fordging was for strength but that does allow you to safely build up your power.
Have you done any dyno pulls?
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CW
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3/27/2002
19:54:07
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No nearest dyno place is 2 hours away and only durring the the week do they run it.
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KenDawg
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3/27/2002
20:48:48
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Hey CW, just a few questions, did you have to buy new gear sprockets with your cams to change the timing? Would the cams work on a 2000 4.7 instead of a 2001? Thanks
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CW
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3/27/2002
20:53:19
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They change how long the valves are open and how much they are open. As far as advancing or retarding the cams no Just bolted them up to the existing gears. Will work on a 2000 as well.
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alex
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4/03/2002
15:42:53
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Hey CW.....
Just one nagging question for us smog-addicted Americans. How do you think these cams will affect the emissions? If they are in the Jeep, they shuold be just fine, right? I talked to a mechanic who is willing to let me help him to install them for a reduced price, but he thinks I will fail Georgia emissions.
Gotta have that!
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CW
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4/03/2002
20:33:48
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I sincerly doubt it but I have been wrong before. What usualy causes a increase in emissions is the fact that most cams increase the duration and decrease the centerline of the cam (increasing overlap). Neither of which is done on the HO cams. Only a increase of lift on the intake side. Actualy the cams are advertized at a little bit less duration on the intake. The biggest part of the increase seemed to be in low end torque.
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Dr0p0ff
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4/04/2002
09:18:42
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>>** It's a linear adjustment so it doesn't work well with turbochargers. ** <~~~ can someone explain that for me? i'm just starting to get real heavy into studying this stuff and i don't feel like looking it up at the moment. thanks
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