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Jeff P
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3/20/2002
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Has anyone checked out this new package KRC sells.
It includes Heads, KRC 220 cam, M1, 52mm tb, etc. all adding up to a low 13 sec. 320 RWHP kit.
Do think an R/T will be able to pass an emission test with this cam and other parts?
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nick99
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3/21/2002
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Where is this place at How Much????
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alex
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www.krcperformance.com
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Jeff P
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3/21/2002
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Anyone else have any ideas on this subject?
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Duner
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3/21/2002
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I've seen plenty of trucks out there with the RT heads, big cam, M1 and 52mm TB. Even with headers, slicks and a stall convertor they have trouble getting into the 13s. If they have their combination going low 13s they must be doing something right/different than others are. I also doubt it would pass a sniffer test with a cam radical enough to get to low 13s. But like always..... I could be totally wrong!
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Spiler
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3/21/2002
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Been Dealing with the guy at KRC for a few months now. He seems like a real good dude. He has always been prompt, and has a full service shop down in FL. Just got my M1 intake in today, and it goes on Friday.
The main HP inc. is going to be from the head work he is doing. I have seen over 45-75 hp at the rear wheels from a set of good heads ported and polished.
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bernd
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3/22/2002
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Marty knows his stuff at KRC. On the emissions part...sorry, won't pass (at least not on CA that's for sure). The heads, intake, and cam are not CARB approved and will also fail on visual.
Duner, there are other ways to put DOdge Magnum 5.9L in the 13's without having to mess with big cams, custom heads, and custom intakes. If you don't believe me, I can give you the email address of a good aquaintance who runs a 13-second Indy Ram (5.9L / 5000lb truck). It's 100%, 50-State emissions legal. Him and I have talked several times on the subject and we both know it can be done with the right combination.
An different example of 13-second truck:
Matthew Bonnette: 2001 R/T - K&N Gen-II, Fastman 52mm TB, JBA Headers, Spintech Exhaust, 180 t'stat, NX Nitrous (Not quite 50-State legal but legal in Texas) = 13.6 @ 103 on Street Tires, Factory PreCats & Post Cat still intact and stock heads/cam/intake. (He's now running the M1 2BBL and Powerdyne...soon to be at 9# boost.)
While his truck is just one example, there's two others in my area running 12's and 13's on the stock cam/heads/injectors. Both using power adders though.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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Chopsuiee
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3/22/2002
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Good lordie... You guys do realize that would mean a non blown Dak 5.9 beating a Blown 5.4(obviously). Just suprising to me, but cool though of course!
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bernd
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3/22/2002
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It's entirely possible. Marty (KRC) built a Gen-II dakota that is all motor (no nitrous/blower)...running 11's! :)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
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Duner
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3/22/2002
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I think the whole issue was getting into the 13s NA - as in no power adders. I know full well about the potential with a blower, turbo or Nitrous. I don't want this to sound like I'm making any statement about KRC at all. I'm sure Marty does know his stuff. I just meant that there are quite a few trucks out there with supposedly all the right stuff, and that have spent a whole bunch of money on it and still don't run 13s...... let alone low 13s. It's my opinion that if anyone really wants to go fast - the easiest and most painless way is to go with power adders.
Although, based upon very many first hand accounts - probably the easiest way to get anything into the 13s would be to take it to Cecil on a good night! ;>)
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Hersbird
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3/22/2002
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Duner, I think I know about most of the trucks you are referring to, and I'd say none of them are running ported R/T heads, let alone the big valve ones. Also I haven't seen many trying the Row Controller. Also lots of folks ignore the torque converter potential. I'd say that $4000 worth of KRC stuff (along with a few other simple things they must assume people already have, like a cold air kit), should put a RC R/T into stock Lightning range for a lot less money.
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Jeff P
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3/22/2002
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Aren't you guys that want a thirteen second truck using a big cam and heads concerned about emissions? How would you get around this issue. I live in Canada and my truck has to be tested every 3 years.
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Hersbird
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3/22/2002
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There is nothing required where I live, and there is nothing even on the horizon here. The only thing to even slightly worry about are federal laws concering Catalic converters. Its hard to get exhaust shops to deal with anything around them, besides a straight replacement, as there could be a big federal fine if THEY mess with it. If I tear it off myself, the shops don't care, they will do header, and muffler/tailpipe work, and just stay away from that 18" that used to be the cat.
I think even a heavily moddified truck in a good state of tune will pass most sniff tests, it's just if there is some kind of visual test you might have a problem. I'm sure the average yahoo working those shops doesn't know the difference in the factory intake compared to a M1, and the headers are emission exempt, and everything else is pretty hidden.
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HSKR
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3/23/2002
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Emissions?? WHat's that?? I don't have to worry about them, and even have a gutted cat that an exhaust shop welded on for me. I removed and gutted it, and put it back up there. Drove to exhaust shop and complained of an exhaust leak. They welded it on free of charge and I was on my merry way with them none the wiser. I will soon be running the R/T big valve heads and cam(don't know if it woudl be considered a big cam though) and already have 2bblM1, ported TB, and ignition. Can't even break mid 14's now, but am hoping to hit high 13's with my combo. I'm not expecting a miracle, but I don't think high 13's are out of the question to expect, and that is in the territory of most stock Lightnings other than the new '01 and newer ones.
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Hersbird
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3/23/2002
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HKSR arn't you running at a pretty high altitude in Idaho? The big valve heads and a high lift cam are bound to add almost 100 HP. Do you have the headers yet? I thought the combo deal actually look like a decient price, as the price of the separate parts is like $700 more and KRC has pretty fair prices already. I just wonder if I could live without a few of the pieces, and shave $1000 off that, or will I just be dooming myself to being far off the expected results?
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w.henry
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9/20/2002
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I have a 96 Indy Ram with a 3.9 posi,1.92 r/t heads,not ported or even cleaned up,out of the box.M1 2bbl manifold,mopar 1.6 roller rockers,mopar headers 3 in exh ,dynomax muffler,Hughes Engines 1418her cam.,about,215,duration @.050 lift int.,218 exh. 520/544 lift int,exh. Hughes Engines stage III 53mm throttlebody,14 in K&N filter, 26# injectors roe engine controller,mopar computer from a 97 318 ram,mopar 2100 stall converter,transgo shift kit.stock ignition,bosch platinum plugs.I do not dragrace it & have not dynoed it yet but it will pull very hard up to 6000 rpm hitting the rev limiter.I ran a lightning svt ,not sure if it was a 2002.We did a roll on and he backed out at about 95 mph or so and i was still right beside him.He moved up on me about 1/2 the length of his truck.Not too bad i think.With a s/c i would kill it.
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w henry
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9/20/2002
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I almost forgot,it passed emmissions in Georgia.
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big_torque
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9/20/2002
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I have the L killer pkg. Its not on yet. The M1 2bbl is on but heads and cam still sitting there. Anyway , I think the key of getting past the sniffer is that Roe controller. Gotta lean it out enough to get the HCs down. Its 1.60 or less in Illinois.
I am worried my self. I`d hate to get all that stuff on and fail and have to deal with getting it to pass. I had to sell my 85 Monte Carlo SS ( with a 400 in it) because of emissions. I`m not selling my R/T because of that. No way.
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big_torque
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9/20/2002
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BTW , Marty is a great guy. I would recommend him to anyone.
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Dakzilla
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9/20/2002
17:44:21
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Is emissions a problem in your home state? Well Florida is a very nice place to live. We have the warm weather, sandy beaches, and best of all no emissions.
I'm gonna run KRC's 224/236 cam in the 360 I'm building. That's a step up from my last cam(KRC 220). I went 13.7 @ 101 with the KRC 220 cam, 88 degrees and 80% humidity.
Hey Duner doesn't Travis Mock run a smaller cam than the KRC 220 cam? He runs high 13's without the spray, and with the spray runs well into the 12's.
Mike in Florida
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big_torque
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Mike , love yer truck. Seen it @ KRC website. Shaker hood is nice touch. I see you got big plans for your motor. Wowski !
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Big59er
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9/20/2002
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Wouldnt it be easier to save some money and stroke it out to 408 first then mod from there? How much of power increase would you be looking at as far as that goes vs KRC's suggested method?
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SLF Dak
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9/21/2002
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I have personally seen Mikes truck run up in North Georgia, where it was sweltering, and he was still clicking off 13.7's. I was all over that thing for spray lines and it was clean. Mike also didn't hold back any info on his combo, he has nothing to hide. It was funny hearing how he said it, "All I did was drop it off at KRC when it ran 15.5's and it returned running this way". Funny though, I have seen alot of other trucks with heads, cams, intakes and such stuck at 15.0 or 14.7's like Duner said. I think there is a combo issue with those trucks. As for a 408, the average 408 full price setup is around $8000 complete, the lighting killer package is nowhere near that in price. Besides I think Mikes new motor is gonna kill any 408 it goes up against. Any thoughts...
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Big59er
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9/22/2002
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I hopped on a couple sites and I couldnt find kits that cost any more than over 2000 dollars. And I know labor doesnt cost 6 thousand...
Besides the fact I dont see how increasing the crank stroke and boring out the heads could accumulate to 8000 dollars...
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Jack Landston
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9/22/2002
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I agree with Big59er. SLF, 408 kits run anywhere from 1 to 4 thousand dollars depending on where you have it set up or where you get the parts from.
If it cost more than 8 thousand dollars to stroke it out then it wouldnt be such a popular alternative to the blower. (price wise)
Ill tell you one thing for sure is that if the 408 kit priced up to 8000 dollars I would pay the extra couple thousand and go with a big block hemi or something like that.
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SLF Dak
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9/22/2002
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I don't think I could take a bone stock R/T and build, not a kit for just the low end, a complete 408, heads and all for $4000.
Block, heads, cam, intake...
That's why I said full price setup. I am not talking about a kit, even building a complete top notch 360 will run over $5000, and I mean, pistons, rods, machine work, heads, intake cam, exhaust and control. Not arguing, just guessing that Mikes combo will cost much less than going to a 408 and have just as much ET ability as a 408.
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Dakzilla
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9/22/2002
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Building a 360 is a little bit cheaper then the 408. I'm tring to use the reving potential of the 360. I love torque but torque breaks things.
SLF is real close on the price of the 408 buildup. Why build a 408 and use your stock heads, cam, and intake. Maybe if you were pulling a trailor and you need alot of torque in the 1000rpm to 2000rpm range. I've driven a couple of daks with built 408. They had very good throttle response and tons of torque. With that big stroke the rpm potential is not there and the rpms are what I want.
big torque, thank you for the compliment on my truck. Check KRC's website around Nov. I should have dyno #'s and track times by then.
Everyone take care,
Mike
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big_torque
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9/22/2002
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Cant wait to see some numbers , Mike. Let us know. You`re right , torque does break stuff. Seen alot of muscle cars at the strip break drive shafts and axles. You should see how pissed they get.
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w henry
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9/24/2002
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The lightning is not all that special,it is a 5.4 with a supercharger on it making 360 or 380 hp.What ever you build,you should make that hp range.take into weight and gearing you will beat it.Although you can not cut corners when making hp with out a blower or other add-ons.Ford just took the easy route.
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