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alex
Dodge Dakota
11/02/2001
17:09:59
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That's complicated. Over here on the right coast, we deal in cash on the barrel-head and friendly deals and jobber prices and do-it-yourself labor rates. But yeah you're right. Jeez. I guess I'm wrong. I'm calling auto trader right now. anybody want to buy a damned worthless old pickup truck? I'm going to buy a 60smusclecar!!!
Whatever......
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/02/2001
17:19:06
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with the money you save on the suspencion/drivetrain mods you can buy a 60's muscle car AND keep your truck.
Eric
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alex
Dodge Dakota
11/02/2001
17:38:05
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Yeah. Better buy another car, since I wasted my money on my truck.
Here's an idea. Let's start some new forums here. We've got a Performance Forum, a General Forum, a V8 forum and a V6 forum. Let's start a new one called "I Came To This Dakota Site To Talk Smack About Dakota Owners and Their Dakotas." Then another one can be "I Think It Costs Too Much To Make My Dakota Perform." Then there can be one called "Yeah I agree With Those Guys That Have Ford & GM Cars. We Suck." And then there can be one called "Hey There. New To This Board. Haven't Read A Single Post And I Need To Know How to Make My Dakota Go Faster Without Doing Any Reasearch On My Own." Or we can have a forum called "My Other Car Is Faster Than My Dakota And That Doesn't Bother Me At All."
If we start a few of these new forums, then I think the frickin DAKOTA PERFORMANCE FORUM that already exists wouldn't be so damn cluttered with useless drivel.
I'm going to the track to make my Dakota Perform.
Thanks,
alex
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Jason
Dodge Dakota
11/02/2001
18:42:45
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I don't know why everyone always wants to beat a mustang or camero. I consider Dakotas their own group. My goal is to be the fastest Dakota, and if it beats a GT, SS, or Lightning, just more to brag about. So far all I've done is Flowmasters, but I'm making plans for more mods.
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Jon
Dodge Dakota
11/02/2001
18:59:27
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Amen Alex, "I have a new Dakota, will a supercharger make it go faster? Oh and I dont want to void warranty, looking to spend about $300? Any Help"
im tired of hearing that, but that is what we are here for, help. Anyways I agree with Jason, i want to have a fast Dakota, If I wanted a fast car I would have bought one.
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
11/02/2001
19:06:51
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Hey, there is a definate downside to owning a Dakota as opposed to owning a Camaro...... when you have a Camaro, you are waayy less likely to have somebody ask you to help them move!
So I guess what I'm saying is that I traded the sleak looks and handling of a Camaro for the ability to haul furniture? hehehehe
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
11/02/2001
21:06:00
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People are fools to say something pure stock will always beat something with serious mods. A Dakota R/T can be had for under $20,000 (I had one with a few options on order for $18,000) there is a lot you can do to make a R/T beat a stock TA in all areas for $10,000. Serious autocross tires will go farther then you would ever imagine. I've seen neon ARC's pull over 1G on a skid pad with good tires and the right adjustments on the suspension settings. Yeh a TA can do it too but not stock, there are too many things the factory does to make something appeal to the masses that someone looking for max performance could care less about. The part about adding tax and financing to the add on parts doesn't hold water either, you have to pay thoses same taxes and intrest on the $10,000 more you pay for a T/A as well. Saying 10 year old camaros and firebirds are valuable is just plain wrong. Whats a 1990 Z28 bringing these days (if you can find one even worth buying)? more then $10,000 I don't think so. According to Edmunds retail on a 1990 Iroc Z28 is $3800. Retail on a 1990 Dakota 2wd 4cly RC base model Dakota is $2100. (The convertable 4x4 Dakota has a retail of $4000). So you get an extra $1700 for a top of the line Camaro compared to the base of base, vinal seat, no carpet, 4 banger, gear jammin, AM radio, 2WD Dakota.
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Todd W
Dodge Dakota
11/02/2001
21:17:43
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Well... I know my Dakota won't be the fastest out there. I'm not looking to be the "fastest" out there. I want a vehical thats comfertable, fun to drive, and can get out of it's own way, preferably while haulin all my stuff.
Dakota does that. :0)
Plus, let's face it, ever try to get insurance on a 60's Muscle Car, or any sports car? Compare that to what we pay on our Dakotas...
Plus, ever take a 6 hour trip in a Corvette? Ye gods, never again! *shudder*
Although... I have to admit, I'm eyeing my fathers '67 Pontiac GTO and hoping he decides to sell it to me like he said...
Ohhhh.... 400 small block, 30 over, domed pistons, chevelle rearend, hurst shifter, Rochester 850CFM carb, dual exhaust... smoke them through third gear, quarter mile in 10 seconds and 0-60 in 5....
*drool*
For now though, I'll live with my 3.9L that manages to haul me, my stuff, and get out of it's own way pretty good. :0)
I love my truck... in fact, I think I'll sleep in it tonight! 0.o
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/03/2001
03:33:41
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ok how about this. I paied 18,100 for my truck (it stickered at 21k) it is now worth $14000. going off the sticker i already lost 7K!! (on paper)
now my dad has a 69 roadrunner with a 383 that needs serious help. if i dumped 10k to fix it up it would be worth 50k!!
my poit is, old cars hold their value far better than new cars. no matter how manny mods you dump into your truck, the value is always going down.
i have changed a lot on my truck, and i did add some performance parts just because i just wanted a little more power. not to set out and destroy everthing that happends to catch a red light with me.
some of you might have the money to dump into a truck with the goal to keep up with a stock whatever. but im 22, going to school, working, and tring to save for a house.
i personally dont see dumping tons of cash into a truck, but thats just me. just think, is the truck going to be worth anything to you in 15 or 20 years? one day you will be old and retired and wish you would have invested the $$$ you dumped into the truck more wisely. or saved it! I know your point of view, and im letting you know mine.
im not tring to tell you how to spend your money, because i dont know you from adam, so what the he11 do i care? you might think "yea i beat a camaro with a 4200 lb truck!" well if you reall want to impress someone DO THAT WITH A HUMMER!!
Eric
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
10:42:56
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Gee! That 60s guy sure flamed you guys up. Gotta' go now. My check just came in and I gotta' go buy some more parts for my Dak.
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Dr.Q
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
10:47:14
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You know in seventy years you're gonna be worm-feed what's gonna matter then? How much livin' you put into your life or how good of an investment you transportation was. You want a good investment, get a viper put it in a garage for 60 years. You wanna live, you drive that viper like you own it!
Q
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Lesley
GenIII
11/03/2001
15:50:43
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So how many of my fellow dak owners would take the time to search out a board specializing in something that they aren't interested in and then criticize it? It wouldn't occur to me to do so, but then I know who I am, and I'm happy with that. I'm also very happy with my dak thank you very much. And I don't give a rat's åss what anyone else's opinion about it is. But then it's all about having fun for me, not one-upmanship or compensating for something I don't have.
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black.
Quick D Intake.
Awaiting Installation: JBA headers, V8 R/T TB,
Autolite 3923s with Borg Warner Wires
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CW
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
17:24:26
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Who knows maybe certain model dakotas will be worth lots of money. I am sure that there were lots of people that thought a Hemi challenger was a big waste of money and gas at the time it was built.
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Dave
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
18:39:59
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You musclecar guys are idiots! I'm 40 years old now and I had a GTO in high school and the odd assortment of rustangs and camaros.While the old muscle cars MAY be a little faster than my Dakota,I can cruise all day long at 85-90 miles per hour with the cruise control on, the A/C blasting in the middle of a Florida summer,the power leather seats leaned waaaay back,and listen to the factory CD player and never worry about overheating,busting a U-joint,throwing a belt or losing a filling on an expansion joint, losing my hearing on the exhaust or my life from gas fumes leaking into the cab.I can turn 13's all day long with a 150HP shot at the track without smoking the clutch or melting the pistons.I can do all this with a big fat extended warranty and a 7% intrest rate and still drive the truck to work on Monday or haul a dead deer on sunday!!!
Let's see you do ANY of the above in a 60's musclecar.
Dave
"Growing old is mandatory,growing up is optional"
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justin
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
20:20:15
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WHOS THE A$SHOLE WHO STARTED THIS MADDNESS AMONG US DAKOTA OWNERS?
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
20:53:23
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First off, there ain't no small block 67 GTO's normally aspirated out there runnin in the 10's (maybe a totally stripped down, professional super stock, in which case there are 360 Dakota's doing that as well). Second, a 69 383 roadrunner is not going to bring $50,000, A 69 Hemi roadrunner that was stored in outer space the last 30 years might, or if somebody spent $30,000 on the restoration of a Hemi. If you accounted for inflation on the purchase price of the 69 roadrunner you'd see it's probably not as good a deal as a new R/T is. If you accounted for what the price of the roadrunner was new and invested that money in the something that mirrored the S&P 500 over the last 32 years, you could buy any car out there, at least something worth much more the $50,000. A car is never a good investment long term. Sometimes somebody can make some quick cash by getting hooked up with a hard to get popular model, but if that person were to hold the car for 20-30 years (or 100 for that matter) almost any investment will out perform it. Investors tried making cars work as an imvestment in the 80's, they should have stuck to computer stocks. All they did is drive the cost of musclecars up so high they pretty much haven't beat inflation since 1985.
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Todd W
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
22:52:54
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Hey, all I know is that what the trophy says..
'course, considering it was some sort of factory test-car before he got it... *shrug* Then he did a lot of work. I've only seen the thing move under it's own power once, when he put it in the garage up on blocks for "restoration"
That was like, 4 years ago. Tires came off, so did the hood, and he took off the heads. Thats about it I think...
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Todd W
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
22:54:13
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But overall, for a daily driver, I'll take my Dak anyday. Easier on the wallet, and the butt when riding a long distance!
Although... that could be to do to the huge wad of cash that I would need to carry in my wallet on a long trip to keep a muscle car fed and happy. Ugh...
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/04/2001
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hersbird, you proved my point, which was if you took all of the money that you would dump into a dakota to beat a whatever and invest it, you could buy another car. the length of time it would take you to aquire a car, would depend on how wise the investment.
just wondering why some of you are tring to beat a STOCK lightning or camaro?
if you ran into a persone who drove one of these cars that would be willing to race you, chances are their vehicle is not going to be stock either.
so you will still get your doors blown off. a new camaro ss with $500-800 im mods will beat dunners 12 sec dak (nice time by the way dunner)
Eric
GTO= get tools out. what a piece ;=)
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
11/04/2001
11:41:11
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Hey Leslie - You go girl. You got the right frame of mind.
Whoever started this thread had a good idea. He brought all us Dak people together (3.9, 4.7, 5.2, & 5.9 alike). Thanks 60s dude.
BTW - I have a '98 LS1 T/A that is stock and runs mid 13s as well as my 15.0 sec. Dak. I also, drive my son's blown '23 tee bucket(500+ H.P./1600 pounds = veeerry fast). I have fun in all of them. Both of my boys have late model Lightenings. I raced one of them at the track. Had fun in it too. I have more $ in mods in my Dak than my car and am proud of how it runs even though it is the slowest of the bunch. I did it and this is my favorite truck that I have ever had and at 52 years old, I have had a bunch. It can do anything. I pull my bass boat, dirt bikes, go to work, haul garbage, & HAUL A$$. You can't beat that with a car.
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Joe E.
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
00:06:55
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Alex probably has a 4 cyl and wants to pull 400 HP out of it. Since you have such an extensive knowledge of automobiles, what type of 60 muscle car are you getting? These Dak R/T's and many of the modified V8s could easily hang with your so called muscle car. Think before you speak buddy! This is a Dak site, not a pussy-ass site, GO AWAY!
Joe E.
(Go work on your 60's gas guzzel'en rust bucket)
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alex
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
10:16:33
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No, Alex has a 2000 Sport with the 4.7 & a 5-spd and a 3.55 posi rear that he ordered that way and then waited 8 weeks to receive. I own a house, I don't have much more than $100/mo for mods and so it's damn near stock. I have added a Volant Performance Intake tube, Autolite 3929's, Mobil 1 synthetic in the engine, and Royal Purple 75w-90 in the rear end. I weigh 300 lbs, so with no spare tire and 3-4 gallons of gas, the truck (with me) weighs 4150. I run Firestone Firehawk SS20's in a 275/60/15 and Lakewood Bolt-on Traction Bars. With this combo, my personal best package at Atlanta Dragway (elev 1050) is 15.38 @ 89.11 mph. I go to Atlanta Dragway every Friday nite and Saturday afternoon that I can get there. I race the hell out of my truck and then get 22 mpg on the way home from the track. I haul furniture, firewood, rocks and A$$ on a regular basis. So, don't go second guessing me, there, Joey. I think if you bought a 4000 lb truck, and got the 4-cyl., you just didn't do your research ahead of time.
I really wasn;t trying to flame-up anything here. I just don't understand how it is that everybody here wants to come to the "DAKOTA PERFORMANCE" board to complain about how their Dakota is too expensive to modify, how their $30,000 Trans Am will beat everybody else's $20,000 Dakota, and how we're all idiots. What really grabs my crotch is the guys with Dakotas that chime in and support the GM and Ford guys. Even though they own Dakotas!! What?? Why did you come here? Go post on the "Dakota Whiners Board" or soemthing.
Here's the way I see it: if I can have a truck that hauls ass and gets good mileage and pulls a respectable skid pad # and pulls a respectable quarte mile #, then you've pretty much got it all in one vehicle. Here's the up-shot: Mustangs, Camaros and Firebirds are all like Belly Buttons. Everybody has one.
As for 60's muscle cars, I fully plan to buy a 1968 Charger and slowly build on it until it's done. Then I will quit my job, pack a bag, and start cruising this nation. The fuel injected 440 with a 5-spd to back it will feed power into a 3.55 rear which will return lots of reasonable mileage, and a mighty top-end and still get me 13's in the quarter mile. But that's years from now. Right now, I plan on building up this Dakota and driving the hell out of it. I may not beat every F-Body or Mustang, but I'm gonna go down trying, dammit.
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