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Justin
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
13:14:49
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Hey, I just figured that you 5.9r/t guy's would like to know that I have seen it all,...a 2001 r/t beat a 2001 Lightning in the 1/8. Both were stock. But this did'nt happen once, I seen it twice, different day's, and different vehical's. I could not belive it, not that I underestimate the power of an r/t, but still, that is all that I have heard is that a lightning will spank a r/t anyday. The first lightning ran a 9:8, and the second ran a 10:3. First R/T ran a 10:2, and the second ran a 9:1. Well I hope this little enjoyment will add a little more confidence to all of you 5.9er's(not that you need it). see yah.
Justin
01;QC;4.7;3:55;auto
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coming soon 70mm TB(F&B) from speedtweaks
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
13:18:30
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God bless the R/T. I sure hope your right in case I race one in the near future.
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Robert
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
16:43:39
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Uh... NOT!
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SuperDak
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
16:54:29
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not what?
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BAD 4.7
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
16:54:30
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Lightnings are over-rated. I hear they're big within the Trailer Trash community. Just a big old heavy POS with a s/c'r.
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Robert
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
17:02:34
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Call them what you want... but they are fast. No Dakota (stock anyway) can possibly beat one. Nothing personal... but they are fast.
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BAD 4.7
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
17:47:53
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True...but if they were n/a from the factory like the v8 Dak's..they wouldn't be able to get out of their own way.It's just kinda humorous Ford had to put a s/c'r on them to get them in the 14's.
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Robert
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
18:26:02
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In other words, you have no clue what this thread is about. Were not arguing about F-150s without a supercharger. Were talking about the Lightning.
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Dave
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
19:44:11
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This is quite amusing! I really can't comment about how fast a lightning is or isn't,but just this morning,on a trip from Tampa Florida to Ft.Myers Florida (about 125 miles) I encountered TWO of them, a silver one and a red one. I was in my company van maintaining about 85 mph and just blew by them.My point is that Lightning owners seem to be as big a bunch of pu$$ies as Corvett owners, all that power that NEVER gets used! I guess they are afraid of breaking them, they are Fords afterall!!! hahaha!
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TJ Parker
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
19:54:25
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Bad 4.7 must be the new Moran!Hello new Moran.
I'm sure his parent's don't know he's on the PC again.The Moran's come and go,the best way to pis* him off,is not to answer his thread's.
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TJ Parker
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
19:58:41
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Sorry,I didn't say hello to the other Moran.Hello Dave.
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fearthis390
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
20:08:30
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Hey i dont mean to come to your forum and start anything i like the dakotas but Lightnings are flat out fast. We are gonna be getting one in 2002. Just to get your information straight the lightning's run 13.9 in the quarter not to sound petty for a couple tenths of a second but in drag racing thats all that matters. Not only are lightnings geared better for drag racing but it handles also. I think someone once told me that if you have your back tires last more than a couple months on a lightning you should be put in prison. But i dont mean to start anything in your forums
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BAD 4.7
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
20:23:47
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TJ Parker........get a clue,boy.
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Dr.Q
Dodge Dakota
9/28/2001
23:32:38
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"Bad 4.7 must be the new Moran!Hello new Moran.
I'm sure his parent's don't know he's on the PC again.The Moran's come and go,the best way to pis* him off,is not to answer his thread's."
I'm thinkin' are Dave and Bad 4.7 Irish? Then it occurs to me that What you're trying to say is "MORON".
Guess who the new moron is?
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
9/29/2001
00:08:52
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Althouth I think it would be a very good run for an R/T and a very bad run for a current generation Lightning (the older ones are not as fast) for the R/T to have a chance, the 1/8 mile is a little different then the 1/4 mile. Weight plays a much bigger role in the 1/8 compared to the 1/4. I beleive in most cases the stock R/T will leave the Lightning off the line and be passed by about a second by the time the 1/4 is over, however if the race is shorter then the R/T stands a chance on a good run compared to a poor run. As they say in racing this is whay they actually run the race rather then just looking at it on paper and crowning the winner.
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
9/29/2001
10:45:46
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Don't get your hopes up guys on stock R/Ts beating stock Lightenings in the 1/4. Just ain't happening. Don't get me wrong. I got a modded '99 Dakota and love it. I don't plan on a new truck of any kind in the near future (although a 2002 Firehawk is on order). My 27 year old son just traded his '98 Dak Sport RC 5.2/5 sp./3.92 ls for a low mileage '99 Lightening. It looks real good pulling his trailered Cobra kit car or his '23 Tee. That same month my 24 year old son traded his '99 R/T CC for a Y2K Lightening. The first time at the track I raced it because he was racing his 10 sec motorcycle. On a hot humid south La. evening I got it down to 14.02. That same night a brand new 2002 Lightening (up 20 h.p. from previous models) got down to 13.63....and he had never been on a drag strip before. Sorry Bad 4.7 but we don't live in a trailer park and these trucks are driven daily and don't break down. My impression is they are loaded and heavy for a short bed full size truck. The ride is slightly stiff. They are expensive but the blower sounds cool. It turns heads too...even more than the '99 R/T did. They still can't out run their mom's '98 LS1 though.
I have never seen a stock R/T run below 15.00 at that track and under those conditions. We don't run 1/8 mile around here but comparing some old time slips shows that his Lightening was faster to 1/8 mile than his R/T. Best E.T. he ever got with his stock R/T was 15.35 and no, he is not a beginner. He has numerous trophies to prove that. So you guys talk smak all you want but I just presented the facts.
Not bragging but we also have a '89 Firebird that runs 11.3s and pulls the wheels 6 inches on the launch. This car still has AC, elect windows, & cruise. We are not professionals but we know the facts about cars.
BTW watch out for Y2K and later full size Chebbbies with 5.3/auto/3.73 ls. I have seen more than 2 different trucks run just over 15 completely stock.
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Hawkeye
*GenIII*
9/29/2001
14:08:04
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I just have to ask this. How many of you have ever actually driven a Lightning of any year? Not being sarcastic in the least with that question. Just trying to figure if you are basing your statements on printed brochure numbers or actual driving experience. I would have to say without a doubt that I would have run my stock 94 lightning against a stock CC R/T in a 1/4 mi. any time. Not saying that I dont like the R/T's but I know what my Lightning would do. With the power it had and the 4.10 gears it was a 1/4 mi. dream. Now anything longer than that and there are lots of things that would walk away. A current gen. Lightning just has too much power to contend with in my opinon except with something like what Wayne has in his wifes LS1, etc. Not saying I would win against an R/T mind you, just that I wouldnt hesitate to give it a run.
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
9/29/2001
14:42:12
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Our conclusion was that people expect too much of the R/Ts. That means us also because when we picked it up, we thought it was going to be faster than it was. The R/T is a good looking truck and I like them. They are simply in a different class than a Lightening. In fact, they are in a class by themselves. Find another mid sized truck that comes with that combination of drive train.
Since I wrote that last entry my son called. In the discussion he informed me that there was an R/T at the track last night that never ran better than a 15.7. Had to be some kind of a problem with it. Some people don't know how to rev the engine to about 3 grand for a short time before the start a race to get the power sapping fan clutch cooled off and disengaged. Those things move more air than helicopter blades.
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Justin
Dodge Dakota
9/29/2001
15:10:57
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Man, I did'nt mean to start anything, but I'am just telling you what I saw, maybe the drivers of the Lightnings could'nt drive or something? I dont know for a fact, but all that I'am trying to say is " I saw it with my own two eyes along w/ my brother, and several other friends. The first r/t was a reg. cab and ran a 10:2, the second was a ext. cab and ran a 9:1, so go figure (its all in the driver, "JUST DECIDED THAT I WOULD POST IT" but I did think that it was a little strange to see two Lightnings run in the 10s, oh by the was it was on a 1/8 mile track, we dont have a 1/4 mile track around here, the closest one is in Bristol.
Justin
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
9/29/2001
15:24:40
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I'm with you. You seen it and that's that. I made sure to specify 1/4 mile in my writing 'cause we don't have 1/8 here. Stranger things have happened and driver input has more to do with it than most people can imagine...even when it's an automatic. That's especially true on 1/8 mile.
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Hawkeye
*GenIII*
9/29/2001
17:33:34
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I'll second that. The driver has everything to do with it. Nothing started with me. :-) A good driver can make a bad truck look good and a bad driver can make a good truck look bad.
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TJ Parker
Dodge Dakota
9/29/2001
19:28:51
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Dr.Q I got your attention!
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Dr.Q
Dodge Dakota
9/29/2001
20:07:46
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You left your self wide open brother.
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
9/30/2001
07:12:55
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Hey Dave - Driving 85 in a company van is no problem 'cause you look so dull the cops don't bother you. Try driving a REAL car/truck at 85 and see how quick you become a P---- when you gotta' start paying tickets. LOL
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TJ Parker
Dodge Dakota
9/30/2001
09:00:21
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Dr.Q BITE ME!
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
9/30/2001
09:52:04
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TJ - With a witty comeback like that, you look like a true "moran". Or is that "moron"? I'm as confused as a breast fed baby in a topless bar now.
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swampdak
Gen III
9/30/2001
09:55:05
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Hey Wayne do you think the 2001 lightning would work ok as a daily driver,50,000 mi a year(mostly hwy).A local dealer has an overstock of 2001 lightnings and the price is getting awfully tempting.Have your sons checked there mileage?Any advice on what to look for if I do take the plunge.I love my dak but I have to think a under 14 sec stock 1/2 ton would be a major fun factor.
Y2K CC 4.7 AUTO 4X4 3.55 TRAC-LOK SLT K&N 16.35/82.41
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Hawkeye
*GenIII*
9/30/2001
10:05:08
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I cant speak for the new ones but my 94 Lightning split time as my daily driver with my 91 F150 4x4. Did fine. Not exactly 25 mpg but not horrible either. About what my Dak gets now.
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Dr.Q
Dodge Dakota
9/30/2001
10:15:45
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Wayne stay out of this brother.I think ever one is a Moron or Moran!
Q
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swampdak
Gen III
9/30/2001
11:28:56
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Thanks Hawkeye I probably wont do it , but those lightnings sure do catch your imagination.I am having a hard time seeing me at the deer camp with a new lightning,but when you think about it the guys would not know the difference,it would look like just another F150 which a lot of them have, unless I told them or SHOWED them heheheheh!
Y2K CC 4.7 AUTO 4X4 3.55 TRAC-LOK SLT K&N 16.35/82.41
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Hawkeye
*GenIII*
9/30/2001
12:27:21
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Wonder what would happen if you put some BFG's on a Lightning. It already had a LSD and I do see them on the beach here from time to time. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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The REAL Dr.Q
Dodge Dakota
9/30/2001
15:00:05
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Wayne-I didn't make that last post!
But I did have a thought.
LSD-keeps our wheels from slipping, but not our heads from tripping
LDS=Morman
Moran=Irish last name
Moron=is some one who dares use Dr. Q's Name in vain
Vane=tells you which way the wind blows
Veins=take the blood to your heart
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The REAL Dr.Q
Dodge Dakota
9/30/2001
16:36:04
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Had another thought.
Dr.Q=queer:A lesbian,gay male,bisexual,or transgendered person.
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Dr.Q
Dodge Dakota
9/30/2001
21:51:27
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Oh you're soo funny! Just exactactly are you so concerned with what I do with my penis? Unless you're interested in it Pseudo-Q?
Q
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
10/04/2001
01:59:27
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Don't worry about it Dr.Q. My skin is thick. BTW watch out for T.J. I think he has the hots for you. Don't go for it man. He is a Moran.
Justin - I got some new numbers for you. I dug up some time slips and they have 1/8 mile info on them. Stock '99 lightning stock = 9.21 @ 78. Stock '99 R/T CC = 9.81 @ 71. We put a K&N conical filter on a homemade mount on the Lightening and got 9.09 @ ? (messed up time slip). I found the numbers for a R/T RC on another sight and he posted 9.627, 9.659, and 9.547 all at over 73. While passing out numbers some guy with a 4.7 CC auto/3.55ls posted 9.933@70.
Swampdak - Lightenings have been working great as daily drivers. MPG is about the same as the R/T if not better but you are better off with your Dakota for going to the deer camp. Personally, I don't think they are worth the $ but that is just my $.02.
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SuperDak
Dodge Dakota
10/04/2001
22:54:11
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hey swamp who's that sitting in your truck?
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FastRT6dakota
Dodge Dakota
10/04/2001
23:33:14
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I don't know where all the garbage came from about lightnings running 13.9's in the 1/4 mile, because I have yet to see it happen. all the lightnings I've seen at Milan Dragway Milan,MI only ran at best 14.5. still impressive for a 5200 or so lb. truck. but put 385 horse in a dak and you've got a 13 sec. ride easily. Also, put a stall convertor on the lightning so he can build boost at a standstill, and he's got a 5.9 beat any day. but still, I'd buy the dodge, cuz when the day is done, its still a Dodge and R/Ts are built far better than the fords. better yet, maybe dodge needs a s/c on the R/T and see what it runs. 12's maybe??? just a thought
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SuperDak
Dodge Dakota
10/04/2001
23:48:30
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some one told me that theres a rumor that the 2003 r/t's will be s/c
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swampdak
Gen III
10/05/2001
10:32:00
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Hey Superdak thats my sister,she had the digital camera and the pic is at her house, not bad hey !!
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v6bad
Dodge Dakota
10/07/2001
03:25:50
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ok...don't get me wrong there is nothing i hate more then fords but...morons the Lightning has 380 hp and 0-60 is 6.2 seconds...the r/t has 250 hp, I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH THE LIGHTNING WEIGHS, AN R/T CAN'T BEAT IT. supercharge the R/T and then maybe you can race but ur talking about 130 hp thats like an R/T with rice burner helping it the ram V10 only has 310 hp!!!!!!
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lando981
Dodge Dakota
10/07/2001
04:23:10
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Any Lightting can kiss my a$$!!!!!!!! I beat the first model made!!!!!! Wit my 5.2 5spd 3.92 RC 3850 lb. dak. Sh@$ on a lightning. I beat a lightning in a 1/9 or 1/10 of a mile close to a 1/8 but I whopped dat ass!!!!! no crap!!!! Jus know your truck!!!!! Where to drop it and hit each gear as quickly as possible!!!! as far as the mods. FIPK, 180 thermo, ice pack on my non filtered FIPK, I took off the filter and putt ice packs on my engine, other than that.... That is it!!!!! Lightnings!!! ha in less than a 1/4 they are our as$!!!!! yall KNOW THAT aight part of driving is confidence!!!!!! AIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!
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