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bbhemi 4x4
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9/03/2003
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 Subject: RE: 5.7 hemi power!!!
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Having recently purchased an 03 Hemi quad cab 4x4 and owning it for only one month I find it to early to pass judgement. I originally intended on purchasing another Ford but chose the Dodge because of the extra room and better price. And concerning price compared to all the other comments I've read on this site, I found it to be just the opposite with the Ford being much higher priced. I must have stolen my Hemi 4x4 Quad Cab at $28'000. But I am not really biased towards any make because they all have their pro's and con's.
This particle year I did not care for the appearance of the Chevy front-end and the fact that their 345 horse truck, the SS is over $40,000. The new 04 Ford looks OK but my preference in Ford is the F250 which was priced around $38'000 for 4x4. I also found that a regular cab F150 was priced about the same as my Quad cab, but I'm sure prices vary regionally. So far I like the Hemi quad 4x4, but find the tranny a little mushy. This being my 1st Dodge truck, only time will tell the outcome of my opinion, however with a 7 year 70'000 mile warranty I'm not that concerned.
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brad
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9/07/2003
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Hey bbhemi!
I have noticed a similar price trend here, but not the same extreme. My feelings re the Chevy are about the same, and I too have considered the F250, but more because of the load carry capacity. That is why I'm looking at the Dodge 3/4ton as it has the same basic load rating, larger cab, and I only lose about 3" on the box. BTW, are you in a cold winter climate area? I would be very interested in the cold weather starting on the new Hemi. I have about 6 months before my lease is up, so your experiences over the next half year will be of great interest to me. Look forward to future posts after you have had your new truck long enough to get a feel for it.
brad
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Jose
Dodge Dakota
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9/08/2003
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This is a 5.7hemi in a Dakota Quad Cab, or in a Dodge RAM??
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brad
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9/08/2003
14:51:37
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Either way from my perspective. I don't imagine that there is a lot of difference in the engine, but could be completely wrong. In my case, I am actually looking at the Ram 2500, but my question is general with regard to the 5.7 hemi.
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pill box
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10/08/2003
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Hey Brad have you had the privilege of test driving one? I remember when it first came in, the first HEMI truck on the dealer lot, a 03 3/4 Ton, The thing was surprisingly responsive, I could tell just from the feel of this 4x4, that Dodge had done an excellent job. I didn't get to drive it much. But started doing serious research, I have found that 99.9% Of HEMI Dodge Truck owners absolutely love their Rams, common problems are slight hesitation when flooring the accelerator from a dead stop, also the motor has a tendency to stall if you shift from R to Drive whiteout making a complete stop. I am told by many sources that these problems will be combated by a Mopar Chip Due out in early 04. The truck has also impressed me with its MPG, some Reg cab short bed trucks are averaging 20mpg when driving the vehicle lightly, and under the same conditions I have heard of 3/4 tons getting 17mpg. I completely understand this factor easily since I am able to get 16.5mpg with my 01 5.9 4x4 QC 32" tires and 4.10. I am told 04 Hemis will also have more torque with the HD trucks. The trucks themselves have been upgraded in a few ways since your more interested in the HEMI I wont go into that. Anyway The most serious problem I have heard was a rear main seal leak.... People shouldnt expect these things to be perfect but so far I am very impressed. Some 1/4 mile #s for HD Hemi 4x4s QC are as fast as 16.00 seconds flat.... The HEMI will outrun both Dodge and Ford V10 and is only Challenged by the GM 8.1, but I am told it will beat it unloaded significantly. You should also not pay attention to most Dyno Tests of the new Magnum HEMI, the Limiter in the PCM makes it fall back significantly at the Higher RPMs, Kenny Bell actually tested their 3/4 ton HEMI with 281 WRHP and said it was the most powerful naturally aspirated, fuel injected, stock truck motor they have ever tested. I have also been told by most owner that they are very impressed with its towing capabilities, Most people think its 375lbs of TQ at the higher RPMs would be so useful, but they have shown why effortless acceleration after 60mph is easily accomplished, The Engine is Definitely SPEED oriented. But for some reason it doesn't hesitate to pull either. In Comparison their are no Small block that can take on this engine, the requirment of a furd V10 or GM 8.1 is needed if your towing needs are high, but at the same time those MPG #s are far worse.
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Hemi
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10/08/2003
14:20:27
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I don't understand why people are comparing the Lightning to the Hemi. The Hemi is merly an engine option, Dodge doesn't clame it to be their sports truck or anything like that. Chevy's sports truck is their SS, which has the same horsepower as the Hemi. Truck Trend did a test on the Harley Davidson Supercharged F-150, the Chevy SS, and a Hemi Ram. Ford has the supercharge an engine to even come close to the HP the Hemi has. The regular cab 1500 Hemi Ram with 20" wheels went 0-60 in 6.8 seconds. The Ford went 6.2 and the Chevy went 6.4 I believe. The Chevy was also $40,000 while the Ram was $10,000 less than that. Go to http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/pickup/163_0308_3way/ to read the article.
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brad
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10/08/2003
15:49:33
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Thanks for the info pill box.
I have entered the information into the organic gray computer/database for futher processing.
YES!! I test drove the 03 model and felt right away that this was the truck for me. Because of my prior old Hemi experiences, I was concerned that the soft spot I've developed for the Hemi may have exaggerated my great test drive experience. Since then, I have spoken and written to many Hemi owners, who tend to speak highly of the new 5.7 Hemi.
---- Gaze into the Crystal Ball ----
I see what looks alot like a Dodge truck in my near future.
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pill box
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10/08/2003
22:25:19
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The Lightning HarleyD F150s are already the most over price trucks period. The SR-10 Truck is actually a "Truck" in the sense of its durability. The Ford option only looks like a truck and is substantially less capable in the "would be" applicable characteristics that other trucks posses. Even things such as electronics, modules, regulators on the Super Duty Ford have proven extremely unreliable in many cases. But from a (Frame Standpoint) The Dodge is superior in every category. The curb weights of the half ton vehicles that were previously mentioned make these factors obvious. Even the lightened SRT-10 Truck is around 5000lbs. Take into consideration also that its 8.3 engine is all aluminum and weighs less than a 5.9 Magnum. After my affiliations with both Dodge and Ford dealers my wide point of view has enlightened me to see both sides very clearly. I can see why people would want the F150 but at the same time, these people do not ask or have the requirement of a real truck in the least. To have an equal truck to the Dodge Half tons, a Ford Super Duty 3/4 ton would have to be shortened to the length of an F-150, but some things would still be inadequate is certain aspects, Especially if it was a 4x4 comparison. (the only factor that would be taken away would be the 3/4 ton spring tension) The Problem with these comparisons is that its apples to oranges. One side is a very light duty (Smaller) full size, supercharged "truck" without many truck features to say the least. The other side is a very realistic and capable full size truck with an extremely powerful naturally aspirated (super car) engine. And its motor is hardly stressed in comparison. A more apples to Apples Approach would be the Dakota VS The Lightning, even though the Dakota exists with even more truck like features still, the size and weight comparisons would be much closer. as for the Power plant, It would have a 5.7 Hemi (Supercharged) to go head to head with the fords 5.4L SC Motor..... The SRT-10 might seem a little high, but at the same time you are purchasing a Super Car Power train with the capability of easily obtained #s of 650hp naturally aspirated with few modifications. The interior quality of the Dodge is exemplary in comparison to the ford as well. There is a wide aspect of reason why the Dodge SRT-10 is more expensive and very well should be.
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