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rEID tARDO
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9/21/2001
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Oh YEAH!!!!! well I can beat a 2002 lightning on my lightly modified riding mower... Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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kota on 20s
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9/21/2001
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dak guy, what can you do with $1000 to drop 2 seconds off your 4.7? or even 1 second?
the best mods i can think of is:
70mm TB & intake =$400
cat-back =$300
flash the PCM =$400
this adds up to over 1K and i was lowballing everything! maby a drop of about .6 in the 1/4
you could add nos, but i wouldnt squeez the amount needed to beat a "L"
Eric
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DakGuy
Dodge Dakota
9/21/2001
12:42:50
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Well I think mabey your math has got some flaws in it. The best I have seen a STOCK GenII "L" go in the quarter is 13.9 and after a $40 home made intake my truck will now run 14.7. That is less than 1 secon not even close to 2 seconds; .8 seconds to be exact. I think it is reasonable to say I could drop .8 seconds with $960.
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
9/21/2001
15:41:41
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i have heard from several people that a homemade intake actually slows down the 4.7's. the TB is almost $400 by its self
Im still interested in what mods under $1000 will make you drop even .8 sec.
i know you are not tring to beat the 01 "L"... are you?
Eric
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DakGuy
Dodge Dakota
9/21/2001
17:07:36
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Well I just ordered the IAT adjuster and the 180 T-stat. That cost me $49 hopefully that will be good for (I have heard)2 tenths. That puts me at 14.5 or 14.6. We'll have to see what I do with the other $910, but I assure you the lightning will fall it's just a matter of time. Only 5 or6 tenths to go. I am going to go to the mopar weekend on October 6&7th in baytown and see what I can dig performance wise there:)
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DakGuy
Dodge Dakota
9/21/2001
17:11:20
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I don't know who told you that the homemade intake doesn't work but I did it and it work very good. It gave me good power gains and a nice tone in the cab.
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svt4life
Dodge Dakota
12/04/2001
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heh, i have a '01 lightning, with intake, exhaust, chip, pulley kit, and 4.10 gears, and im running mid-low 12's, i havent tried slicks yet, but lets see an r/t run that w/o nos. oh, btw, im getting nos here soon, illl let ya know how that goes. :)
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SLEEPER318
Dodge Dakota
12/04/2001
09:43:15
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you can add a 150 shot of nos and some other small thing for under $1000$ shouldn't that spank a gen2 lightning???? SVT4LIFE your full of it. I have a friend down the street with a gen2 it has the bigger blower pulley, 4.10 gears, Bassini headers and cat-back, with bigger mass sensor and chip. He ran it at the track 6 times and the best he got with it was a 12.97 Your not in the low 12's strap on that nos your talking about and you'll be.
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litl punisher
Dodge Dakota
12/04/2001
10:16:00
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Watch what you say. SLEEPER318. Most of the stock Lightnings here are running 13.5 juct about stock. With chips , intakes, pulleys and gears. They're in the 12.9 range. Some have mustang nos kits with 75 shot putting them is the 12.4. Don't question with only one truck to back it up. however I'm not going to let svt4life say that he like to see an r/t do that without nos.
Well svt4life, seeing you paid 30,000 +- for that truck that gives a r/t6 to 8 grand of mods to catch up. For that price there is no way you'd smoke a r/t. If you want to run motor for motor, take the blower belt off and run an r/t. Compare apples to apples. If you want to compare special perfomance trucks. Companies do make dakotas the same way svt makes lightnings. If not run what you brung and don't compare something less. every one can pick things lesser to race. Won't find any lighning talk up from me . I've run beat-em, smoked them. Ford needs a blower to compete with MOPAR
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SLEEPER318
Dodge Dakota
12/04/2001
10:22:26
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yup your right, but he said he was running mid to low 12's with that combo. With the 75 shot like you said would put him in the low 12's. He's acting like with the nos the mid 11's are just a button push away.
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litl punisher
Dodge Dakota
12/04/2001
10:27:10
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I'm running 12.9's. 11's is a long ways away. I'm going from 318 to 340, 150 shot to 200, 540 lift, 3000 stall, shift kit and i'm hoping for a 11. He's got a ways to go and alot of money to get there. That's why he's talking numbers on a dakota sight because on a lightning sight they would know.
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SLEEPER318
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12/04/2001
10:54:15
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Your right. I have a Vortech T-trim @ 11 psi, Precision Industries 2800 stall converter that flashes 3800, shift kit, cnc ported heads, ported intake manifold, 52 mm throttle body, All crower valve train with a .533 lift crower cam (custom grind)and everything else with out touching the pistons, crank and rods. So far 12.12 at 114. Thats on BFG drag Radials, I'm waiting on Mickey E.T streets. All in all I have a fairly good chunk of money in my 98 318.
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snowman
Dodge Dakota
12/04/2001
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Everybody has A beef with the Lightnings. Thay are something to reckin' with even stock. No stock Dakota pulls those numbers and don't give me the dollar quotes as an argument. If we had 30,000 laying around we would all build our own special toy.But most don't so we get what we can and build it. But getting back to the point, has anyone challenged a Syclone? They were really hot.
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litl punisher
Dodge Dakota
12/04/2001
13:18:00
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Yeah they go real good. Mid 13 to lower 13. Seen some beefed up ones in the ten's.
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Quaddak
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12/04/2001
16:39:12
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DakGuy,
Your from the Houston area? There is a very good chance we met Mopar Weekend in Oct. What were you driving? I have a 2000 Quad Cab.
BTW, All this talk about the Lightings, did you see that Yellow Dakota R/T run an 11.3? I don't believe I've seen a Lighting run that quick.
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Quaddak
Dodge Dakota
12/04/2001
16:56:38
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I don't believe my first post took so sorry if I double posted.
DakGuy,
Your from the Houston area? We may have met at Mopar Weekend in Baytown. Any way, all this talk about Ford Lightings. Did you see the 11.5 Dakota R/T? I talked to the guy after the run, he blew the hat off of the throttle body and coasted the last 1.5 seconds and still ran 11.3. Mid to high 10 second truck for sure. Let the ford guys talk, there is always someone who is faster. Last year there as 95 Dakota 318 5 speed running 12 flat with no super charger. Out ran the fasted Vette and one of the Vipers that were there for the shoot out. Just wondering if you could confirm the 11 second Dak.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
12/05/2001
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Dakguy- I wouldn't say a stock R/T has never ran faster then your 14.9 stock 4.7 ran. Duner's CC R/T ran faster then that and many showroom stock RC R/Ts at DakotaRT websight have run 14.5-14.9. I'd say 14.8 is about the norm for a broken in RC R/T in good conditions with a good driver, and about 15.1 for a CC R/T. Even High Performance Mopar got a 15.1 uncorrected, in imperfect conditions with a new (unbroken in) 1998 CC R/T.
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DakGuy
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12/05/2001
12:25:31
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Hersbird- I'm sure that there are stock R/Ts that run 14s I just haven found any around here, and to be fair to all I will tell you that the 14.9 was run at Huston Raceway park in Baytown, Tx. I've been told that it is one of the fastest tracks in the US. The only thing that puts dought in my mind is that when I go up there on friday nights I see R/Ts running mid-high 15s, and it may be the drivers but I'm just dissapointed in general.
I have a cousin that has a 00' Chevy RC w/5.3L and he looks for R/Ts because the only Dakota that has ever beat him is mine. I have no intention on knocking the R/Ts. They have the potential to be exteemely fast but I think the owners need to tap into it.
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wldtm
Dodge Dakota
12/05/2001
17:50:52
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litl punisher-
is your engine carb. or fuel injected? I have a mild 360 w/ low compress, an 1800 stall, w/ carb. It runs 12.35 best w/slicks, and 150 shot of nitrous. I would definitely say you have a good chance of 11's. Good luck !!! let me know about your engine and truck!!
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carhart32
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1/14/2002
23:39:45
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hey put i vortec supercharger on my 2000 chevy ex cab pulling 13.00 right now thats with single chamber flowmaster and thats it stock it was pullin 13.9 dont know what it is about it there anit much that can hang with it around here i dont know why it was so fast stock i beat a 99 lighting by about i car leagth
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DakGuy
Dodge Dakota
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1/15/2002
09:08:30
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Why do people feel the need to lie on this board, My cousin has an 00'chevy 5.3 RC and it won't run 14s with mods much less 13.90. Give me a break!!!!!
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CW
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1/15/2002
09:11:13
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He is a chevy guy. He has to make up big stories for lacking in other areas.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25
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svt4life
Dodge Dakota
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its been a while since i have checked the posts here. before i start listing my mods, i have access to a tuner shop here in town that does all the labor for me because the owner's son works for me. mods are, 4.10 gears, intake, exhaust, superchip, maf, tb, s/c pulley, udp's, cobra r heads fitting and reworked for the engine, and all new wiring. dynoed it puts down 512 hp, and 628 tq. its still being tuned to the heads, but it increases the redline to 6250 safely so far(still trying higher rpms). best 1/4 is 11.2 on slicks down in lubbock. best times on street tires was 12.13(it melts the tires all the way through the 1/4). im going to try with higher geared rear ends to get that time down, liek a 3.55. the truck was 34620 out the door, the mods were just at about $8k. ill see if i can find the link to a race with a lightning and a z06. heh, the lightning ran 11.69, and the vette 12.24 or something like that.
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Hersbird
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1/16/2002
10:48:03
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When a Dakota actually even approaches $42,000 total cost with mods then maybe we'll have a comparision for you. Of couse for now we could just use Big Bird wich runs low to mid 11's and cost less then you truck did stock...
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lightning lov
Dodge Dakota
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1/16/2002
16:47:56
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ok you guys say, "stock for stock" and then say, "take off the blower, and run all motor" wouldnt that be "non-stock?" it doesnt really look like svt4life cares about how much his truck costs. anyone who owns one, doesnt. the r/t is for less expensive performance. the lightning is for all out, no compromises performance, that can still be used as a truck. i just went to the dodge web site, and built an r/t. with everything on it to make it comperable to a lightning, its stickered in at just under $28k. thats not much less than a lightning. a lightning comes fully loaded, the dakota you have to get everything else on there, like a/c. but, since this is a dakota forum, its bias towards dakotas, and ill leave yall be and thinking that your truck is the god of all trucks. its a good truck, dont get me wrong, but it doesnt compete with the lightning, its a small truck, the lightning is a big truck. the money you save on a r/t, could make it faster than a lightning, yes, then you are not comparing stock to stock. put the same amount of money into a lightning, and it would be faster still. and remember, it wieghs a lot more.
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1/16/2002
16:59:11
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28,000....? where did you get those numbers?
I think the R/T package is a little under $3000
on top of the regular dak price. My dak fully
loaded (2001 sport) was $21,??? so for
another 4,000 I could throw on a powerdyne
charger, and some headers, and bye bye
lighting! and still be $8,000 less than a stock
SVT. Take a look at either last months sport
truck magazine, or this months (not sure
which one) and check out the article on the
supercharged S-runner w/limited slip diff.
They raced it side by side with their 01
lightning on the road to vegas, and the S-
runner was just as fast, if not faster!!!! beat
that, a japanese V6 with competition against
the so-called "fastest production truck ever"
They are in the process of putting NOS on the
tacoma, after that, there would be no question
as to who has the fastest truck. (p.s. you can
pick up an 01 S-runner for less than 17,000!)
As for the dakota fans, lightning wont have a
chance when put up against the soon to be
2003/2004 5.7 R/T, and the Ram SRT-10????
fogit aboudit!
D
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180stat/JetStage2/DJMdrop3-6/pegleg
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lightning lov
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1/16/2002
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dude, these are compact trucks that weigh 1000lb. less if not more. yeah, that magazines numbers were on the major conservative side for the lightning, 6.3 0-60? try more like 5.5ish, if not better. and 1/4 of 13.8. and as for the price i got, thats ith a/c, and fully loaded because thats what a lightning is. the only option you can get on one is a bed cover and tanoe cover. and are you comparing aftermarket to stock again? hmm, headers and a s/c. so thats 4k. put a chip, s/c pulley, udp's, complete exhaust, gears, and have enough left over for a nice radio and it would take down that dakota of yours.
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1/16/2002
22:53:28
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$34,000 is $34,000
$21,000 is $21,000
I have $13,000 to play with then we will talk
comparisons.
Price vs. price, its like saying my ferrari can
beat your BMW. So what! You spent more
cash than I did, you have to compare pricing,
and another thing, your truck is a fullsize
truck...go compare it to the Chevy thunder...oh
wait those trucks are faster than the lighting,
and from the factory too. (ooops)
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anthony
Dodge Dakota
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HEY buddy. the one who posted about his 12 second lightning.... YEAH RIGHT!! second of all did you forget that your ford comes supercharged. duh of course it will win. but let me put an ati procharger on my R/T which does 14.0 without the S/C. then lets see whats up.. i will smoke each and EVERY lightning out there. remember my compression is 8.9:1 so i can boos 15 psi all day long and get a 100% hp increase and do laps around you. so dont even compare apples and oranges. BUDDY
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lightning lov
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18:33:38
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ok, the chevy thunder isnt a production truck. if you want to talk about factory mods, talk to svt about the lightning-r. it has the cobra r engine in it with the s/c putting down 500 hp and 500 tq at the wheels(thats detuned). any heavily modded aftermarket vehicle will beat any stock vehicle. i wasnt comparing my truck to the dakota, the forum was. dodge doesnt make a super sport full-size truck. people on this forum were saying "that this heavily modded truck will beat a stock lightning" and things like that. so you have to spend 5-8k to get it to beat a stock lightning? and that number was right off the website with all the options that come standard with a lightning. ok your compression ratio is 8.9, wow, mine is 9.0 and i am pushing 12 psi off the stock s/c, whats your point? also anthony, my motor comes stock reinforced to handle those extra horses, does the dakota? i havent done anything to the motor, just the 32v dohc cobra heads (instant 100 hp). and anthony, its a 11 second lightning, not 12 bud. and "i could do this and that to my lightning," and "it would beat this and that, if i did this and that." when you do it, then you can talk. yeah there are dakotas around that have those mods that are pushing very good numbers, but is one yours anthony? have you done those things yet anthony? once again onto the money issue. i happen to have the money to pay for a lightning, some people dont, thats fine, thats not my concern. also, others that might have it dont feel the need to spend that on a truck. the bottom line is, a stock lightning was faster, is faster, and will always be faster than a stock dakota. any mods you do to a dakota, doing the same thing to a lightning to make it a fair race, the lightning will still be faster. right now, as far as being produced, there are no trucks that compete with the lightning in stock form. the toyota doesnt handle as well and cannot keep up with a lightning. until i see specs on it in a motor tend, automobile, or car and driver(magazines whos numbers are from professional test drivers), then i will believe otherwise. and that 17k doesnt include the trd package. link:http://classifieds.nwsource.com/autos/researchit/content/review122900.html#performance and for being a full ton lighter, and still being a whole second slower in both the 1/4 and 0-60, thats not very impressive. and heres a link that says the r/t starts at 22.3k http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/spin/45342/article.html stock numbers from car and driver are 0-60 in 7.2? and 1/4 in 15.8? so im thinking to see a stock one hit 15 would be good. heh, stock lightnings hit it in 13.5, if not lower. yes, ford doesnt have a sport compact truck, mainly because the f150's are the best selling full size truck in the country(dont even try to deny it, check anywhere), and the chassis on it isnt that great for performance, but you can still drop a 5.0 and s/c it. they might do that with the new dohc 32v 5.0 thats supposed to be coming out this fall for the new cobra. it was rated at 550 hp, but because of government regulations, will maybe see 400 though i doubt that too. anyways, no matter what i say, you will never belive me, and this will continue to go on and on and on. it doesnt really matter. keep up the competitive attitudes and always try to succeed. its better than being a lazy bum and not doing anything.
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YJ
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OooooooKkkkkkkk. Who wants the Dodge SRT10? ;)
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svt4life
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oh, yeah, srt-10, hmm, will it make production, not anytime soon, and how much will it be? about 40k(the viper engine is expensive). the chevy ssr? lol, its not a functional truck. yuo can tow about 2 tons, if that and cant even use the bed. it defeats the purpose of being a truck. also starts at 38k the dakotas can pull more than that and look a lot better. lightning? half ton in the bed, and about 8k pulling. starts at $32k. not bad, not that great either.
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Hersbird
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lightning lov- saying the Lighning was faster, is faster and always will be faster then a Dakota is wrong on two outa three. Only the current generation lighting is faster then the Dakota. The older lightnings got ripped by a GenII 5.2/5-speed/3.92 LS Dakota. And the future is sure to have a 5.7 hemi Dakota R/T or better yet a factory ripped PVO 5.7 hemi Dakota. Maybe once Ford cuts all the jobs and models they need to, they can go back to work and make a better Lighning. I bet they just cut their losses and dream about how for a few glorious years, they had the fastest setup.
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CW
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1/17/2002
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The lighning isn't that fast in my area. 14.2 is all this guy I know could do with his. Still faster than my dak though.
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lightning lov
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hersbird, sorry about that statement, i completely forgot about the gen 1 lightning. to me its just another f150. it was pretty fast, but nothing compared to sports cars. when those new engines come out, ford will have the new ones out, so lets just hope that they are close in stock form so that it will be good racing, and not this bullying crap like that past couple posts. keep me posted on the str-10 and the new hemi engines please.
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ferd mechanic
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Jack-ass , cobra 32v heads won't fit on a 5.4 truck motor. I' ve been a ford dealer mechanic nearly 20 years. I've got a dak r/t and will never buy a ford again. Why? the piece of craps scare the hell out of me...[ problems that ya can't fix,built right in.] and I'm not the only ford mechanic that feels this way. Oh yea I make a good living piecing them ferds toghther,busy every day, year after year, after year,after year... buy the way, 2 years and my dak has needed no warranty work whatsoever......
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conig
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why is this argument even going on? these trucks arn't even in the same class. cobra r engine in the lightning where the hell did that come from? the lightning has better pistons and rods then a stock 5.4 but and I'm sure some sort of cams or cam can't remember if it's sohc or dohc. and compare svt to rt. rt neon svt focus the neon is virtually the same as almost anyother neon optioned simeliar. an rt is a barely modded 360. svt's are heavily worked over.
my svt contour had so much money worth of power compared to a v6 se. trick cams extruded honed intake ports extruded honed intake manifolds a great intake and exhaust piston forged rods and pistons 10:1 compression all stock. cobras are the same story.
dodge is building some nice engines and dodge has gotten better at not building tinney(duck) cars over the years. lets see an rt with a modified manifold cam and exhaust come from dodge. svt is like slp, amg m series or any other higher model line, dodge doesn't do this. but there are plenty of parts to be had from the mopar performance catalog were ever company but toyota and dodge lack heavily. I remember when my parts maniger at our ford called me to tell me he had performance parts in the new catalogue for my car. you know what ford had plugwires.
and I drive a dodge because my $25,000 25,000 mile sedan caught fire driving down the road one night and almost took my life! yes I had nitrous but I had no bottle in my car at the time and a ford mechanic installed it at my house with me and on a three wire system like zex it's hard to not hookup right. ford svt is great but let me ask you this do you still have a warrenty if you messup your engine will ford pay to fix it with your larger pulley? no, I know all about ford I almost got kicked out of my house for buying a mopar.
If you were so big and bad you wouldn't come here starting this long BS taking up bandwidth.
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Crusty
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I drive a 4x4 so my truck is slower than a Lightning. My fully loaded 4x4 CC cost me $24,010. Now thats 8k cheaper than a Lightning.
Now to do a little closer reading...
svt4life qouted above "im going to try with higher geared rear ends to get that time down, liek a 3.55. "
He is saying this in the context that he is going to go with higher gears to go faster. He has 4.10 gears now. His truck would only go slower with 3.55 gears in the 1/4 mile.
Now I say we lay this thread to bed and forget about it. Someone is obviously screwing with evryone. Until Dodge makes a fullsize truck with comparable horsepower to a Lightning this discussion will go nowhere. I mean sh*t I could prostreet a Metro cheaper than a Dak and go faster but....
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EXACTLY!
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Josh
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What a sofaking retarded argument!
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