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moparbyfar
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personaly when comes to 4.7 Vs 5.9 when you start your mods there is no replacement for displacment I always say. The pro drag racers KNOW THIS! You dont see them going to smaller engines do you? Its all about the $$$$$ if you got enough money you can make anything go faster but we are all dodge guys here I never mind too much if I get beat by another DODGE lets just help each other out to keep the pords n shevys behind us.
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Duner
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4/09/2002
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Wow! This thread took a 6-month vacation before surfacing again. I'm glad the site (and myself) have progressed beyond all the 4.7 vs 5.9 arguments.
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Brandon
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3/10/2003
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4.7 owner. has power but could do more first tweak, GCA true flow intake, bypasses resonator cavities. Will let yall know how much it helps should have it in two weeks. write me if you own a dodge so we can talk upgrades.. Brandon
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Texas Todd
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3/10/2003
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bypass resonator cavaties?-that's what my homebrew intake does!
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Brandon
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3/11/2003
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Home brew suspension kits, red neck lift kits on sale for all types fits all cause its home made, certified duct tape and wire on sale 19.95
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Luxury Levi
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3/20/2003
02:37:17
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You all know that your 4.7 is just a Mercedes motor with a Dodge badge. 5.9 all the way!
TORQUE CURVE TORQUE CURVE TORQUE CURVE
2000 QC 5.9 3.92 ANTI-SLIP
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01Motorsport
Dodge Dakota
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3/20/2003
23:24:21
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L'il 4.7:just a semi-hemi SOHC, basis for the 5.7 Hemi...hey, how many manufacturers would LOVE to have 2 high performance V-8's for their consumers to choose from? Count your blessings!
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Hersbird
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3/21/2003
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I have to disagree with the above statement. The 4.7 is not the basis for the new 5.7 Hemi. The 5.7 is much, much closer in design to the 5.9 then it is to the 4.7. Some things like the throttle body and transmission mounting on the 5.7 are similar to the 4.7 but the rest is pretty much just a 5.9 with a stiffer bottom end and new heads. Not that anything will swap form the 5.9 to the 5.7 but that the basic design is the same on those two motors. The 4.7 is pretty much a Hemi as well, closer to being a Hemi then say the 429 Ford Boss motors were that were also called Hemis. The valves are directly opposed on the 4.7 which is where the Hemi design gets it's power, not so much from having a "hemi" shaped cumbustion chamber. Matter of fact, I do beleive that Nascar outlawed "opposed valve" motors, not "hemisphericial cumbustion chambers". Still there is nothing wrong with the basis of the 5.9 motor as well, and actually the 5.2 may be one of the best overall designed samll blocks ever. I was just reading about how close the 318 was to having all the "magic" numbers when it comes to rod ratios, and bore, even to the angled plug heads that the 318 LA and magnum have always had. SB Chevy 350, and SB Ford guys have for ever had to pay big $$$ for race parts that duplicated what the 318 was running from the factory.
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Texas Todd
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3/21/2003
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Hersbird,
You also forgot to mention, that, and I"m sure you do know that,
The 5.7 is NOT SOHC, but rather single cam like the magnum motors, with the push rods and all!
From the post, it seems like 01motorsport, may think the 5.7 is SOHC.
I've got the 4.7, etc. etc., and do really like it.
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Brandon
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3/23/2003
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Seaking knowledge on 5 speed manual transmission reliability and failures that occure in there life period. Has any one experienced and problems with 5th gear (non lifted trucks).
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yeah
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3/23/2003
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Hey, dont know if you guys have seen it, but in the newest issue of Mopar Now!, they have a stock 5.9 r/t and a stock 4.7 slt pitted against one another, and sorry R/T guys, the 4.7 won; six times in a row. I know no matter what im just adding fule to an already burned-out fire, but all this says is, stock vs. stock, the 4.7 is better than the 5.9
The only replacment for displacement is technology
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hoo rahh
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3/23/2003
22:10:21
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yeah right, ill believe it when i see it, my r/t will blow any 4.7 outta the water without thinking twice
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dakota31852
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3/23/2003
22:16:30
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It depends on how you wanna look at it... times are largly based on traction, which the r/t would have had none of, thats why it was crossing the finish line later. HOWEVER, it was crossing the line 1 MPH FASTER, which means it was making more power, and signifigantly so too, beacuse it is a heavier vehicle. So, you can say that they both could have lost, and won as well, just depends on what way you look at it.
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Duner
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3/23/2003
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I love these kinds of threads! hahaha
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02GraphiteDak
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3/24/2003
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The stock 4.7 is faster than the stock 5.9, I just got done reading about it in a magazine. But with mods right now you can do more to the 5.9, so sorry to all the RT owners. 4.7 IS FASTER!
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steve
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3/24/2003
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In that ONE test the 4.7 is quicker than the R/T,look at MANY other R/T tests and tell me that there were any R/T's in those tests that were running those kind of crap times.Don't get me wrong the 4.7 is fast in a 5 speed! I have never came close to losing to a 4.7 auto with 3:55's never!5 speed yes.My argument is that those are purely bad times for an R/T and nobody here can say that a stock F150 would beat a R/T and that is what those times are showing.I have nothing against the 4.7 really( I love all Daks) but they had a lemon or a retard behind the wheel of the R/T cause that's just not how it is.And EVERYONE knows it!
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Joe
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3/24/2003
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That ONE test ran SIX times...
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steve
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3/24/2003
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So does that mean that they took the monkey out of the R/T?
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Brandon
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3/24/2003
08:28:03
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Real racers know its not if you win by an inch or a foot winning is winning, traction or no traction, winning is winning.
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Brandon
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Real racers know its not if you win by an inch or a foot winning is winning, traction or no traction, winning is winning.
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3/24/2003
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But, stock to stock motors, the 5.9 has more torque! Some people think that's the only thing that matters. That and 4.56 gears!
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Hersbird
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3/24/2003
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That was one truck with one driver. Did they switch drivers? Did they talk about where the trucks came from? The R/T had higher trap speeds with better tires for launching and yet it had had horrible launches. All they needed was somebody 1/2 way competent in launching a R/T and there wouldn't have been a problem. I agree if you just pull up and stomp on a R/T you aren't going anywhere fast until you get to 2nd gear. If you were to drive a Ligntning that way I bet you would be well into the 14's. I'm surprised they didn't run a 4.7 5/speed in that test. With drivers like they had they probably would have stalled the damn thing off the line or spun like crazy. I have never heard of a RC R/T running that slow stock consistantly. I have seen RC R/T's run in the high 14's stock and that means on a good day that 4.7 auto they tested could run a 14.5? I don't think so. Still a good kill for that particular 4.7 and driver, but it took no skill to drive that 4.7 fast. The 5-speed is the biggest challenge to get quick times (probably why they didn't get one) and the R/T also takes some finess on the launch as well. The R/T also doesn't have 4.56 gears from the factory, just 3.92s.
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Hoss318
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3/24/2003
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Anybody know what wheel/tire package this 4.7 had on it?
The race I'd like to see is the 4.7 auto 3.92 with R/T wheels on it against an R/T..... purely motor vs. motor.
But in reality, no matter what test any magazine does, this debate will never end, these trucks are too close to call (except for gas mileage! :-)
R/Trottmann
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3/24/2003
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You people defending the R/T are funny! Poor bastards...
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