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9/02/2005
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If Amsoil "did" have a money back guarantee, they would make it so difficult to satisfy thier money back requirements that no one would do it. A lot of other compapanies do the exact same thing. Also, just because the produce says "Money Back Guarantee" or "Satisfaction Guaranteed", doesn't mean it's a good product. Matter of fact, many inferior products have these type of guarantee's to make the customer feel all nice warm and fuzzy inside, while in reality thier products are crap. Hey,,, but you got your warranty.
1- Package used and unused oil into origional bottles.
2- Complete our 5 page questioneer about how you were dissatisfied with our product.
3- Return oil and questioneer form to manufacturer for complete refund of purchase price. Customer must pay for shipping to Amsoil Corporation.
4- In 4-8 weeks you will receive one of those post card checks that you will most likely mistake as junk mail and throw away in the trash.
After all is said and done you waste $25 in shipping and a 1/2 day getting everything shipped off,,,, but WTF you got your "Satisfaction Guarantee".
N, your beating a dead horse,,, Just live with it, Amsoil is a good product though they might have some outrageous claims. Heck, thier oil might be safe in an engine for 25K, but I am not going to try it or experiment with my truck, 10k max with an oil filter change at 5K. Mobil One says thier oil will go,,, what is it, 15,000 miles, you going run M1 in your engine for 15K just because M1 says "Satisfaction Guaranteed" on the bottle?
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N56629
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9/02/2005
13:19:36
| RE: Amsoil = Better Fuel Economy ... & MPG
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I would rather try M1 then play some stupid preferred customer game. I might even check out the prices of Amsoil at Fleet Farm.
I'm not real sure that I would want to try cleaning out all the dino oil, put in synthetic and then try to clean it all out again just to go back. Contaminating either can't be a good thing.
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9/02/2005
19:35:49
|  Amsoil Dealer # 1061837 - Steven Roark - Amzoil
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Compared with conventional mineral oil "crude or dino" formulations, no synthetic oil is cheap. The higher cost of the synthetic may be set against a lower oil consumption, lengthened drain periods, increased parts life, longer overhaul life or reduced maintenance costs.
I always use synthetics. The main reason synthetic oils perform so much better than petroleum is that it is molecularly stable. All of the molecules are virtually the same. Not so with petroleum.
With synthetic, you reduce friction which in turn reduces internal heat and wear and tear on the motor or moving parts. Less friction means less wear - more horsepower with less work for the engine to do.
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Why Synthetic Oils? Why Amsoil?
Most synthetics have similarly good typical specs, but the performance from better additives, more shear stable VI, higher TBN, etc, can not be easily demonstrated with a test or a chart. These attributes of AMSOIL show up by controlling acids in the oil, eliminating corrosion in the engine, maintaining viscosity throughout the drain interval helping improve performance in the areas of fuel economy and cold weather starting, keeping contaminants in suspension until they get to the oil filter for removal or the oil is drained, and generally keeping the engine cleaner and deposit free. These benefits are not easily demonstrated with a test or a chart. Amsoil produces a SUPERIOR Synthetic Motor Oil by using only the best base oils and additives.
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Classes of lubricants
All synthetic base fluids are NOT not the same. Therefore, not all synthetic oils are the same.
There are many useful classes for the production of lubricants. The principle classes have proved to be esters, phosphorus esters, polyalkylglycols and synthesised hydrocarbons or polyalphaolefins. There are also classes within classes and the characteristics and performances of a synthetic base oil can vary considerably from one chemical structure to another. Selection of the correct base fluid for a particular application is important.
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Why use synthetic lubricants?
Longer oil life --Enhanced thermal and oxidative stability
Benefit = Use less oil, less down time, longer filter life, lower disposal costs
Reduced oil consumption -- Lower volatility and higher density
Benefit = Less top up, less inventory
Safer operation -- Higher flash points, fire points
Benefit = Lower maintenance costs, lower replacement parts cost
Predictable properties -- Uniformity of product characteristics
Benefit = Lower product rejection, lower maintenance
As mentioned earlier, these fluids are pure hydrocarbon chemicals, enabling particular specifications to be met.
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Thank You, Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer # 1061837
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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DSW
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9/02/2005
20:09:30
| RE: Amsoil = Better Fuel Economy ... & MPG
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How the heck did Amsoil get into Fleet Farm if Amsoil doesn't sell directly to stores? Same thing with the Dodge dealersh1ts carrying Amsoil?
Fleet farm is kind of like Home Depot and Walmart combined for those of use who don't know, ain't got any of them out here in NV. Thought it was against Amsoils marketing plan to sell directly to mass marketers???
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9/02/2005
21:02:48
| Amsoil = Retail-On-The-Shelf - Amzoil Wholesale
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Amsoil is available is some speciality shops (and even some Dodge Dealerships) as "Amsoil Retail On-The-Shelf. Still, ... that retail store (or chain) has been signed up as an account by an Amosoil Independent Dealer like myself. Great way to make money --- sign up a retail store and let them move quantity. Whoo Whoo !!! Caa-Ching !!!
However, finding Amsoil in a store is not easy ... since Amsoil has NO interest in competing for the "big-box" shelf space (i.e. Walmart). Walmart did contact Amsoil, but Amsoil would not sell to them at less than Dealer Cost because Amsoil respects it's Independent Dealer Network.
Independent Amsoil Dealers are located across the country -- in all 50 states, Puerto Rico, Canada, and New Zealand.
Amsoil is usually purchased through an Independent Amsoil Dealer (via catalog or their website) but if you want to find it on-the-shelf in your area ... one way is to check the Yellow Pages under automotive lubrication and/or oil. Word-Of-Mouth at a local track may also help you find Amsoil Products in a local store.
If you can't find it locally, I would appreciate the opportunity to be your Amsoil Dealer and help you in every way possible. Why not support an advertiser (me) that supports and advertises on one of your favorite sites ... www.DodgeDakotas.com ?
The benefits of ordering via catalog ... you can become an Amsoil Preferred Customer and save between 20% and 25% across the board on all retail prices ... buying at the same wholesale prices as an Amsoil Dealer (me). you can't do that at the retail store.
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Thank you, Steven roark, Amsoil Dealer # 1061837
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9/02/2005
21:09:02
| Amsoil = Retail-On-The-Shelf or Amzoil Wholesale
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Worthy of a repeat .....
Whoo Whoo !!! Caa-Ching !!!
Amsoil is available in some speciality shops (and even some Dodge Dealerships) as "Amsoil Retail On-The-Shelf. Still, ... that retail store (or chain) has been registered as an account by an Amosoil Independent Dealer like myself. Great way to make money --- sign up a retail store and let them move quantity.
Whoo Whoo !!! Caa-Ching !!!
Think about it. Do you know someone who owns a retail store that would consider carrying Amsoil. If so ... become an Amsoil Dealer yourself ... sign them up as an "Amsoil Retail-On-The-Shelf Account" and you could be going ... "Caa-Ching" yourself !!!
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Thank You, Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer # 1061837
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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N56629
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9/02/2005
23:26:14
| RE: Amsoil = Better Fuel Economy ... & MPG
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"How the heck did Amsoil get into Fleet Farm if Amsoil doesn't sell directly to stores? Same thing with the Dodge dealersh1ts carrying Amsoil?"
Once you start to mainstream it's hard to stop. As it becomes profitable it is only a matter of time before these so-called dealers get left dangling in the wind.
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9/03/2005
08:42:21
| Amsoil = Retail-On-The-Shelf or Amzoil Wholesale
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N56629,
Does the "N" in your name "N56629" stand for Negative ???
All accounts are assigned to an Amsoil Dealer ... ALL ACCOUNTS. If you called Amsoil direct via their toll-free phone number and placed an order, your account would be assigned to a local Amsoil Dealer in your area. If Fleet Farm called Amsoil direct and placed an order, their account would be assigned the same way. If a Dodge Dealership called Amsoil direct and placed an order, their account would be assigned the same way. NOBODY does business with Amsoil without an Amsoil Dealer getting the credit ... and commission ... "Caa-Ching".
"Caa-Ching" "Caa-Ching"
"Caa-Ching" "Caa-Ching" "Caa-Ching"
Like the sound of the catch tray at the Casino.
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Thank You for asking ... which allowed me the opportunity to clarify the information. If you would like to REQUEST A FREE AMSIL CATALOG ... so that you can become an Amsoil Dealer and hear the "Caa-Ching" for yourself ... please click the following link and request INFORMATION ON BECOMING A DEALER.
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Thank You, Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer # 1061837
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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N56629
Dodge Dakota
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9/03/2005
09:53:45
| RE: Amsoil = Better Fuel Economy ... & MPG
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"All accounts are assigned to an Amsoil Dealer"
Do you mean if I'm a dealer and DC calls Amsoil to order 10 million quarts they might be referred to me just because I'm the closest dealer?
LOL - Anyone can be a "local Amsoil Dealer in your area."
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DakotaEnthusiast
9/03/2005
12:46:45
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No Mr. Negative56629,
Daimler/Chrysler (D/C) CAN NOT order motor oil directly from Amsoil and have the commissions diverted to a local Amsoil Dealer. Only local Chrysler / Dodge Automotive Service Centers can order Amsoil Motor Oil ... and YES ... if they ordered direct from Amsoil Corporate ... that account would be assigned to a local Amsoil Dealer. REPEAT -- NOBODY does business with Amsoil without an Amsoil Dealer getting the credit ... and commission ... "Caa-Ching".
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Thank You again for asking additional follow-up questions ... which allowed me the opportunity to clarify the information. If you would like to REQUEST A FREE AMSOIL CATALOG ... so that you can become an Amsoil Dealer and hear the "Caa-Ching" for yourself ... please click the following link and request INFORMATION ON BECOMING A DEALER.
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Thank You, Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer # 1061837
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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DSW
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9/03/2005
13:20:05
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This is getting off on a wierd tangent, but what's stopping "Sam Walton Jr." from becoming an Amsoil Dealer and then ordering a gazillion quarts of Amsoil oil to sell in Wal-Mart stores?
Orrrr Lee Iaacocca (sp wtf) from becoming a dealer and then ordering a bazillion quarts of oil for exclusive use in all DC vehicles?
Awww Crap,,,,, now that I thought of it someone is going to go out and become a jillionare off my idea...
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N56629
Dodge Dakota
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9/03/2005
14:17:32
| RE: Amsoil = Better Fuel Economy ... & MPG
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"Only local Chrysler / Dodge Automotive Service Centers can order Amsoil Motor Oil ... and YES ... if they ordered direct from Amsoil Corporate ... that account would be assigned to a local Amsoil Dealer."
Who decides? I suppose a little money under the table would work. Nah, it couldn't be the old case of the welthy (top area dealer) getting wealthier. Maybe there are different classes of dealers. Elite dealers on down to the peon dealers just like in a pyrimid? Nah, that couldn't be either because there is no pyrimid even if it looks like a pyrimid.
Here's what I like about the Amsoil business model
"AMSOIL Dealers can sell retail, build a sales group including Preferred Customers, work the catalog business, set up commercial accounts for commercial and industrial accounts, set up retail-on-the-shelf accounts for retail establishments, and set up fund raising accounts for nonprofit clubs and organizations, or just buy wholesale - whatever you want to do with your business. "
As you can see there is absolutely no need to sell their product to make money. You merely get other people to become prefered customers or dealers and do all the selling for you. This is no different than Amway or MaryKay both of which I consider to be pyrimids.
Very few companies engage in this practice as it designed on a tier system where there must ALWAYS be a very broad peon tier to support all the upper tiers. Each tier gets broader as you move down and each tier gets smaller as you move up. The bottom tier makes little or no money unless they build their own "sales group" or as I call them, Peons.
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DakotaEnthusiast
9/03/2005
16:11:33
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DSW,
It does not work that way - and you know it - so I should not even respond but I will. WalMart is all about LOW Prices and not quality. Lee Iacocca is only a commercial spokesperson for D/C and NOT an executive ... AND automobile manufacturers will NEVER offer Amsoil in their vehicles ... for one simple reason. They will only offer FACTORY FILL with an oil that is available in every country they sell their vehicles and Amsoil is NOT in every country they sell their vehicles.
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No Mr. Negative56629,
Unlike Amway or MaryKay, Amsoil has NEVER been the subject of federal investigation ... AND we sell SUPERIOR Products that everyone needs. 70% of my personal Amsoil income comes from catalog or online customers actually purchasing Amsoil products.
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YES ... you are correct ... Amsoil Dealers are NOT limited ... and can do all of the following to generate income. Our commission schedule is weighted more heavily towards retail sales ... and not generating a downline network.
"AMSOIL Dealers can sell retail, build a sales group including Preferred Customers (wholesale buyers), work the catalog business (retail buyers), set up commercial accounts for commercial and industrial accounts (commercial buyers at commercial prices), set up retail-on-the-shelf accounts for retail establishments (again, retail buyers), and set up fund raising accounts for nonprofit clubs and organizations (more retail buyers), or just buy wholesale (for myself) --- whatever I want to do with my business."
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Thank you,
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer # 1061837
P.S. ... "Caa-Ching" "Caa-Ching" "Caa-Ching"
Like the sound of the catch tray at the Casino.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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N56629
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9/03/2005
21:40:17
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Thank you Mr. Amsoil Super Sponser
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N56629
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9/03/2005
21:53:48
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"They will only offer FACTORY FILL with an oil that is available in every country they sell their vehicles and Amsoil is NOT in every country they sell their vehicles."
That seems highly unlikely, Mr. Amsoil Super Sponser, considering they make numerous other modifications to vehicles that are sold in other countries.
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DakotaEnthusiast
9/03/2005
22:07:56
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Mr. Negative56629,
Wanna Bet ???
How much can you afford to loose ???
Read any auto manufacturers RFP for factory fill
motor oil and it is there ... in black and white.
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Thank you,
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer # 1061837
P.S. ... "Caa-Ching" "Caa-Ching" "Caa-Ching"
Like the sound of the catch tray at the Casino.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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N56629
Dodge Dakota
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9/04/2005
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You could be right Mr. A.S.S. but that doesn't mean that it is logical or that it all couldn't change tomorrow. With the high cost of crude it might be in their intrest to partner up with another company to produce a synthetic oil similar or nearly identical to Amsoil. With billions of dollars at stake Amsoil could be history within a year because such a partnership could produce it far cheaper. All they need is an incentive called profit.
One day Amsoil will be just another footnote in history and Mr. A.S.S. will be back to flipping burgers and dreaming about the life of the rich and famous.
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DakotaEnthusiast
9/04/2005
09:33:38
| Amsoil Dealer # 1061837 Steven Roark - AGGRAND -
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N56629,
... um ... me? ... "back to flipping burgers" ... NO. I mean it's a fine job for some people, but that's what I did while I was in High School as Head Line Cook at a Shoney's in Georgia.
Being an Amsoil Dealer is just a part-time endeavor and I have fun with it and make good money from it as well. AND ... Amsoil will provide me with extra income until the day I die ... because my customers are "customers for life" and per my Amsoil Agreement they can never be taken away ... AND ... I can pass my accounts down to my children as well. T hey can "inherit" my Amsoil Business.
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In response to your comments, Amsoil has been in business for 32 years and continues to grow adding new capacity and distrubution facilities last year. Amsoil is happy being a "niche" synthetic oil provider offering SUPERIOR synthetic oils for those auto enthusiasts that prefer a SUPERIOR product.
In addition ---
Amsoil has other divisions as well. For The Record, I would NEVER promote these products on a "truck website", but you suggested that we might be forced out of business so I will continue.
I am proud of ALL of the products offered by Amsoil and its subsidiary ALTRUM, which includes the ALTRUM, AGGRAND, PURE POWER, and AQUABRITE lines.
The ALTRUM Division of AMSOIL, includes four product lines for a healthy lifestyle: ALTRUM (Nutritional Supplements), AGGRAND Natural Lawn and Garden Products (Organic Fertilizers), Pure Power Cleaning Products (Biodegradable and Phosphate Free), and AquaBrite Water Filters (An Economical Alternative To Bottled Water).
WHY? Because all the above products are GOOD FOR THE CONSUMER AND THE ENVIRONMENT ... whitch fits in with Amsoil's corporate philosophy with their SYNTHETIC OILS ... which are GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT ... and good for your Dakota.
Information can be obtained on all of the above products, ALTRUM, AGGRAND, Pure Power, and AquaBrite, by sending me an email requesting additional information.
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To Request aa FREE Amsoil, ALTRUM, AGGRAND, Pure Power, and AquaBrite Catalog click below.
Thank you,
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer # 1061837
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9/04/2005
12:30:20
| Amsoil = Better Fuel Economy ... & MPG
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Back to the subject:
With Regular Gasoline above $3 per gallon it is a good time to think about ways to increase fuel economy (mpg).
FUEL ECONOMY a.k.a. MPG
Switching to Synthetic's Increases M.P.G.
Fuel economy can be very difficult for the consumer to accurately gauge. If you fill up at a warmer part of the day one week compared to the previous week you can sometimes see a huge fluctuation in MPG just based on that. Also, the pump may have stopped pumping sooner this week compared to last, making it "seem" like you used less (or more) gallons of fuel.
It has been proven by Amsoil (and other leading oil manufacturers and suppliers) through use of industry accepted fuel economy tests, field demonstrations (and as witnessed by most of our customers), that switching to synthetic oils and lubricants can (and does) improve fuel economy (mpg).
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VISCOSITY can increase Fuel Economy - a.k.a. MPG
Depending upon your driving habits, conditions, and climate ... switching viscosities can improve fuel economy also. I've observed a MPG increase when switching grades (using 5w-30 vs. 10w-40).
Tighter government regulations and increases in engine manufacturers’ demands are calling for more fuel efficient lubricants. Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oils reduce friction and drag better than petroleum oils, resulting in significant fuel economy increases.
In a 1.2 million mile demonstration, AMSOIL Lubricants showed a 4.5% increase in gas mileage. Other tests have shown increases of as much as 15% under certain weather and driving conditions.
Yet, because every vehicle is different, as are driving habits and conditions, it is difficult to accurately project an exact increase.
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You can Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog by clicking below.
Thank You,
Steven Roark ... Amsoil Dealer # 1061837
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9/04/2005
13:38:15
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"It has been proven by Amsoil (and other leading oil manufacturers and suppliers) through use of industry accepted fuel economy tests, field demonstrations (and as witnessed by most of our customers), that switching to synthetic oils and lubricants can (and does) improve fuel economy (mpg)."
You just haven't demonstrated that the cost equals or exceeds the savings in fuel consumption.
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