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Dakotaboy5.2
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6/27/2005
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Subject: So does this 318 sound like a good deal?
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I'm having the engine pulled from my 98 4x4 to be looked at after ticking then losing oil pressure. While looking around online i managed to come across a motor someone was selling. I have a second truck so i was looking to toy up my dakota a little anyhow. this motor really caught my eye. I'm not that informed on motors but have a common knowledge. I thought might go ahead and make a post and get your thoughts on it. He has a paper for the cam and dyno but thats it. heres a qoute from the guys email. This qoute was after me emailing about not having much knowledge and thinking stock engines were putting out more than his readings (didn't know it was measured at the flywheel and not rear wheels)

"Stock HP on a 98 is 220 thats flywheel. Mines 214 rearwheel. Which puts it around 260 flywheel. A stock 318 will dyno 185 RWHP.

I'd be happy with $2000, Canadian. This motor is BRAND NEW, and complete, all you need is your water pump and fuel system. It also includes the 93 exhaust manifolds. It is completly internally balanced and blueprinted to a .030 bore. It has the R/T cam($600), and the heads have been cut to fit 1.97 valves(more than $700 spent right there). It also has flat topped hyperuetectic pistons, and a high volume oil pump. Since your
truck is 4x4, you would be in good shape to cut the intake runners down and that would put the torque up in the 300's rear wheel, it makes 283 right now. You could not rebuild a stock motor for what I'm asking let alone build it up. This engine cost me $5000. But I built a bigger one so this one has to go."



I've talked to the guy on the phone. Very nice and very informative. Definately willing to help me out (meet me half way for delivery) and has answered all my questions. Let me know what you think of what hes asking for what he has. thanks!




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6/27/2005
16:27:02

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I have also 3-mailed this guy. Go to http://www.car-part.com/ and you can find a 5.2 or a 5.9 for much less. Ya it will be a used motor but it will cost half as much. The choise is yours.



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6/28/2005
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The R/T cam wouldn't be an improvement and he would be an idiot for paying $600 for it, even in Canadian. I would want receipts for all non-stock parts and the machining.



Dakotaboy5.2
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6/28/2005
10:13:57

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thanks for the replies guys. He did find some receipts for head work.

Another qoute

"The heads have MOPAR springs #P52499464($139) and intake valves are #P5249877($157) and the retainers are #P4452032($111). "

He also found more receipts for the build.

Would you guys have a price you think this engine is worth?



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6/28/2005
10:16:06

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RT cam with 1.7s is a good combo in a 318. RT cam on its own is so-so. One pops up for sale every couple months or so for $125-175 usually.

It costs much less to rebuild a good block. If you find a low mileage 318, the bores might be in good shape and not require any machining. If the compression checks out, then you won't have to do a ring job. Likely the crank would be fine on something with less than 50k miles on it as well. Even if you had to do it yourself, you can get a rebuild kit for about $500 US that includes rings, pistons, bearings, etc. Add another $100 for a gasket package, maybe $200 to get the block cleaned up at a machine shop or you could attempt it yourself. Just something to consider.

Check out www.car-part.com and www.uneedapart.com.



Dakotaboy5.2
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6/28/2005
10:24:14

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I did look on carparts and a 318 out of a 99 durange with 50k on it was still about 1300. this motor has 15k kilometers on it and has upgrades. Doesn't seem like a better deal to me personally.... I'm not taking any sides just being curious :)



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6/28/2005
10:24:37

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If I were satisfied with the quality of the rebuild, yes, I would pay US$1625. If I had doubts I would make an offer accordingly.



Dakotaboy5.2
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6/28/2005
10:32:08

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My motor has 160,000 miles on it. I can't imagine that having good enough bores to let it keep going. right? It would probably need bored and such.

I'm going to keep the truck for a while so i'm not looking for the cheapest fix in this situation. Its not going to be a daily driver either.

any motor thats worth a rebuild that doesn't need bored is still going to cost a little. Plus rebuild parts. I'm just not seeing the huge amount of savings. Yes it may be a little cheaper but enough to make up for the performance difference?



Dakotaboy5.2
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6/28/2005
10:35:13

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thanks N56629, Thats kind of where i am standing now. Just trying to get as much info on the motor as possible and researching stuff other people have ran and think. Playing investigator ya know? I'm not to knowledgeable on motors but understand how they work so this is all a learning experience.



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6/28/2005
11:55:30

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One thing needs to be clarified. The RT cam. Is it from an RT Dakota, or is it the Magnum RT cam from Mopar Performance P5249549?



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6/28/2005
11:56:05

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It sounds like a decent deal depending on what the cost to ship or pickup are. Also, I would want to hear it run before buying. I would keep in mind a new crate 360 is around $5000. If the 318 is what you want that is not a bad price at all especially if you can talk him into throwing in a few extra parts. If you did yourself, you could save a lot of money. Does any no what the costs of a 318 rebuilt by yourself versus having someone rebuild for you? Just a few random thoughts.

Dakota5.2



Dakotaboy5.2
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6/28/2005
12:18:31

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Ok he sent me a paper on the Cam and he also sent me a dyno done in late 04. The engine is out and mounted to an engine stand. no way to hear it run. He said that he. He had some pics of the motor and had a comp cam slip in with the album. Not sure if its actually the same cam or not but heres the pic of a dyno run and that cam (not sure if its the one hes referring, i'll double check)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Camshaft.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/yellowfox/Dyno2.jpg



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6/28/2005
12:29:40

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hold on there, that is the cam ^^^^ from my new build.

The cam is the one refered to by Gen1Dak, MOPAR R/T.



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6/28/2005
12:41:47

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It sounds like a decent deal depending on what the cost to ship or pickup are. Also, I would want to hear it run before buying. I would keep in mind a new crate 360 is around $5000. If the 318 is what you want that is not a bad price at all especially if you can talk him into throwing in a few extra parts. If you did yourself, you could save a lot of money. Does any no what the costs of a 318 rebuilt by yourself versus having someone rebuild for you? Just a few random thoughts.

Dakota5.2


See the quote above about hearing it running, I am making this public , If it does not run I will buy it back. I can comfortably say this because it runs great, it's literally brand new.(and there are a few extra parts)

I will refrain from posting on this topic, to allow fair conversation. Unless clarification regarding parts in required.




Dakotaboy5.2
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6/28/2005
12:53:34

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Chris, thanks for the reply and sorry about posting that pic!

I'm hoping no flaming starts. Just open opinions that i can take.



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6/28/2005
14:20:12

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did that cam say it has a lobe seperation of 108 and to install on 104???


isnt that a little rough for a MPI motor?



Dakotaboy5.2
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6/28/2005
14:21:51

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intense, that cam that i posted is not the cam in this motor i'm considering to buy, its a cam in another motor he has.



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6/28/2005
16:34:22

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Not a single code yet intensedak39. pulls real strong tho! mind you it's in a 349.



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6/28/2005
23:37:48

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He has the Mopar RT cam. Same one I bought for my 318.

Dakotaboy5.2 - FWIW I have a 92 318. Engine now has around 191k miles on it. It still runs strong but does need new valve seals and likely a ring job at minimum. I'll know more when I get it torn down in the next couple weeks. Working on a 360 swap right now. I have also had the intermittent low oil pressure symptoms. I am almost 100% certain it is sludge/crud buildup that is partially blocking the oil pickup.

Janesy has been trying to sell that engine for a while now. I've run across him a couple times on other boards. Stand up guy from what little I know of him.

Car-part changes fairly regularly. When I was looking for an engine for my truck, either 318 or 360, I checked on it pretty often. Every once in a while I would run across a low mileage one for less than $1000. Unfortunately whenever that happened I did not have the cash available to capitalize on it. If I had not found the 360 I ended up getting, I was going to look at one of the local engine rebuilders here in town. $2000 would have gotten a complete 318 installed in my truck by them. About half that if I just wanted the engine and did the work myself. Of course that is a stock engine, no mods.

Good luck with whatever you decide.



Dakotaboy5.2
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6/29/2005
07:26:24

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yeh thats where i'm sitting now sneezer. I somewhat priced out building up a modded motor and the price was through the roof. Having my motor rebuilt and dropped back in was about 2,000 also.

Picking up janesy's motor and having the engine place drop that in without doing motor work to the other would run me about 1650 for his motor and around 650-700 for the engine swap. Under 2500 for a better motor. Then i still have my original motor to sell. This is just how i am seeing things.



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