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Dr.Bleed
Dodge Dakota
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10/12/2004
02:58:47
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Soon I will have in my possession a slightly used T3 Garrett turbo, and I'v been thinking about installing it. The real trick is though figuring out how to get it to work with the shaker hood. My question is; Is there anyone out there with a 5.9 R/T that has either a centrifigal blower or turbo setup that has sucesfully plumbed a setup with a shaker hood?
Thanks.
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Dr.Bleed
Dodge Dakota
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10/12/2004
03:00:35
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Actually anyone with any FI shakered vehicle feel free to comment, I'd appritiate your idea's for figuring out exactly how to set something like this up.
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Turbofreak
Dodge Dakota
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10/12/2004
10:24:26
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As cool as it sounds like your truck would be with a turbo, unfortuneately, you will be wasting your time installing a single Garrett To3 turbo... You cannot get a T03 turbo to make more than about 280hp Max, at very high boost...
If you insist on doing a single turbo, you better step up to at least a T04 frame turbo with a .82 A/R exhaust housing, and at least a 60-1 or 62-1 compressor wheel and housing...
Sorry to bust your bubble...
GOOD LUCK!
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Dr.Bleed
Dodge Dakota
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10/12/2004
21:23:37
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I just now realized the turbo I'll be getting is a T3/T4 hybrid.
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Dr.Bleed
Dodge Dakota
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10/12/2004
21:24:09
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Would that make a difference? (as opposed to the T3)
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Turbofreak
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10/13/2004
09:04:09
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YES!!!!! VERY MUCH SO!!!!
A hybrid will work fine....
Duner has done this already.... To4BV1/V2 trim...not a hybrid, but a hybrid will just limit how much horsepower you can make because of the smaller turbine wheel and housing.... Try to get the largest A/R ratio housing that you can for the exhaust housing and try to get a stage 3 turbine wheel...
I would say the good part is T04 turbos are very flexible and even though you may not get the optimum match of compressor wheel for your application, almost all of them will work fine for up to around 450-480hp... but, again, your T03 exhaust housing will have to be large and your turbine wheel trim a stage 2 or 3...
It is going to spool up very fast, you should see very little lag...so, that is very good if you want it really torquey and strong all through the range, and taper off when the horsepower comes on because of the lack of ability to flow large qunatities of exhaust...
Duner has run 12.76 at 107 at 12psi with water/alcohol injection
GOOD LUCK!!!
Let me know if you find out the specs on your turbo, and I will help you (if you need it) determine if it is going to work fine for your planned boost needs...
RYNO
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Dr.Bleed
Dodge Dakota
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10/14/2004
02:27:30
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Duner! That name is familiar... I remember years ago when he was developing a turbo kit for his truck. Glad to see he finally mastered it.
See I picked up an 03 Cobra a couple years back and became pre-occupied with that so I'v been out of the loop for awhile. But, like everything, I'm not tired of the Cobra by any means but I need a breath of fresh air so I'm back with modding the ol' 5.9 :).
Anyway I know the turbo has a .63 A/R but outside of that realm I'm not really sure. Most of my info just comes from what I know of the stock 86/87 Garrett T3/T4 hybrid GN turbo's. The turbo I'll be getting is off of my dad's GN (He's upgrading to the TA-49). The turbo itself only has 30 thousand miles (about 4 grand more than my truck has on it) and I know the turbo itself is in excellent shape. So I know it was never pushed beyond its capabilities.
2 things I need to figure out though. I'd love to make it work with my shaker hood and I'v seen a centrifigal setup with the shaker so I know its possible to work forced induction in with a setup like that.
So I need to figure out how to get the boost from the turbo into the intake without losing the shaker and hopefully preserve its functionality in some way shape or form. I'v had some idea's, but do you happen to have any suggestions there?
Also, what is the word on the rear end on these trucks? I would assume the R/T's have the 9.25 rear end so that should work fine if I keep things on the conservative side right?
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Turbofreak
Dodge Dakota
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10/14/2004
09:43:20
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If it is off of a GN, it should have an integrated wastegate assembly, which will really make it a lot easier to hook up than a regular TO4 with a seperate wastegate....
Sounds like if you have an upgraded GN turbo, it should be good for 380-400hp depending on trim level.... the exhaust will be the choke point, but that is ok, it should be really responsive, which will really make your 5.9L torquey!!!! more than usual!!!
As for the shaker scoop, I would like to see how it feeds the stock setup as far as air cleaners/filters go .... Worst case scenario is that you will have to make some type of mount for it to suspend above the throttle body, where the fresh air from the scoop runs through the scoop, over to the fenderwell, into a stock or modified airbox or cold air system box, then have a cone filter to run air into a tube that goes to the turbo inlet...
This way, the shaker still shakes, still works as a cold air, and still remains fully functional...
GOOD LUCK!!!
Let me know if you find out what trim the turbo is.... either way, it should be fine for you!!
RYNO
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Dr.Bleed
Dodge Dakota
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10/14/2004
15:49:12
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Awsome stuff man! I'll see if I cant find out alittle bit more about it. As far as I know since its off of a later model 87 it should be the best one's they put on those cars (under the GNX with the ceramic impeller) so it should work out pretty good from the sound of things.
Anyway thanks alot for all the help! I'll deffinatly be back for more questions in the not so distant future, I'm sure.
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