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BADENOF
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6/05/2004
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Hey
Ok here is the real question, with all the kit out there now for v6 97+ dakotas, which one should I use? I have looked at zex, venom, nx and nos, they all make kits for dakotas kept for zex. Which one is worth the real money for horsepower, plus which jet should I run? Also what about the new Ejector Air Amplifier kit from zex or what about racenet nitrous injector plate system? Any help would be great, there is just so much out there to use which is best.
Thanks Troy
98 Dakota 3.9l v6
Specs: 98 dakota V6 bored .030 over, with krc 218/224 cam, rt heads, crane cam 1.6 roller rockers, jba headers, 48mm f&b throttlebody, fordmotorsport 19lb injector, msd, becool twin fans, crank underdrive pully, 410 gears w/posi, krc pcm flash, mopar stall converter, transgo shift kit
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frebius
Dodge Dakota
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6/06/2004
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Ok I am fairly new to the mechanic world I can admitt that. My question is how do you have r/t head on a v6? Arn't the R/T head made for a V8.
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Dodge Dakota
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6/06/2004
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he could have bought r/t heads and had them cut off the last
cylinder and use a blocking plate to seal the head
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why
Dodge Dakota
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6/06/2004
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why would anyone spend that kind of money on a v6 anyway??
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BADENOF
Dodge Dakota
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6/06/2004
11:07:58
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ok, I bought all the rt stainless steel values and springs from dodge, and had them put in my heads. The heads where ported and polished, for the new values, and the values are back cut with a three way value job. The bottom line was this way was cheaper than buying heads from someone. The reason for all that work in a v6, 317 horsepower, that why!
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BADENOF
Dodge Dakota
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6/06/2004
11:10:25
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So She is a little slow of the line, but once I'm over 2000 rpm she really moves, I want to had nitrous to get me out of the hole faster.
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slow97dakota
Dodge Dakota
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6/06/2004
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every one who runs nitrous on the mag motors uses nitrous express...there were many people who ran a 100 shot on the v6
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BADENOF
Dodge Dakota
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6/06/2004
19:02:51
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If that is true then why do other companies make nitrous for dakota's? What makes nitrous express the better product?
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IntenseDak39
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6/07/2004
09:26:59
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because it's the only one that hooks up to our truck.
All the other kits require a return fuel line to hook up... the NX doesnt and taps to the fuel rail.
6.6 Lt. Big Block, 727 TF shift kit, 452 heads, edelbrock 750 cfm, .513/.513 284/300 crower cam, comp cams springs, comp cams pushrods, 1.5 roller rockers, dp intake, mopar ignition, mopar windage tray, dual exhaust w/ 40 series flowmasters, 4.10 gears, coilover drag suspension, approx, 3500 lbs
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Mike S.
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6/07/2004
12:17:54
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I don't personally have the system on my V-6 but I know quit a bit about nitrous and the Nitrous Express kit is the only way to go. The fact that it's so easy to install over the others makes it a hands down winner in my book. I'd recommend starting slow with the juice though. I'd start with the smallest jetting and move up. I don't know what kind of tires you run but with your mods and a 100hp shot of the bottle traction is gonna be a issue without slicks or drag radials.
Mike S.
91CC 390C.I. W/Nitrous
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ZenDak
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6/07/2004
12:26:55
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out of curiousity BADENOF - how fast are you in 1/4 w/your current mods? Regular cab?
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Mr.Sleepy
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6/07/2004
14:38:56
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What kind of beating does a 100 shot do to that 3.9? I'm curious because I've always thought V8's were the only blocks to take that kind of punishment.
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BADENOF
Dodge Dakota
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6/07/2004
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Ok, I have nitto tire 17/245/50 with a 4/5 drop done with a-arms, springs, shackles and hangers and I have added roadmaster tractions springs, I don't feel I'll have any traction problems, but who knows! At the track, times come in high 15, I'm trying to get down into the 13's I just got to get out of the hole faster. Right now I can power brake her to spin the tire at a stop, but when I'm going I can drop in low and break the tires lose, take her sideways through corners on dry pavement, she'll chirp second easly she get real torquie (sp) around 3 to 4 grand, she doesn't red till 6 grand. oh last she a club cab. She also is a daily drive with 170,000 on her. She has had everything gone through, I think the only thing stock are the seats and headliner.
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IntenseDak39
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6/07/2004
19:39:26
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i am sorry but you are only running high 15's and think you have 317 hp?
The V6 can take a 100 shot pretty well. I used it for a season, and used it a lot that season with no ill effects on the motor (well, i am sure it was more worn out than if i didnt use it... but the motor was still in good shape).
6.6 Lt. Big Block, 727 TF shift kit, 452 heads, edelbrock 750 cfm, .513/.513 284/300 crower cam, comp cams springs, comp cams pushrods, 1.5 roller rockers, dp intake, mopar ignition, mopar windage tray, dual exhaust w/ 40 series flowmasters, 4.10 gears, coilover drag suspension, approx, 3500 lbs
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BADENOF
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6/07/2004
22:03:49
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Listen IntenseDak39,
I have sat back and read over the past couple of years, your responces, I will say that you are very knowledgeable, but you are not a god in the dakota world. So don't judge. I have had the motor speced to 317 when it was balanced and blueprinted, I would be glad to send you the paper work. Now I was going to have it dyno when krc flashed the pcm, but they have been to busy. Krc sent me to big a cam, one I did not order it plus it took two months for me to get the cam I got, I had order the 212 cam, but Marty thought the cam he sent me would be better. I have no beef with marty he a hell of a good guy, but the cam is to big and slow out of the hole, that's why it running 15's, if I could get out of the hole faster, and get into higher rpms where the motor likes it, I could be doing a lot better. This is why I looking for nitrous, if you want to help me, like giving more info on the nx package it would really, help but please don't insult me.
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IntenseDak39
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6/07/2004
22:40:49
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i didnt insult you, i asked a question.
Specs: 98 dakota V6 bored .030 over, with krc 218/224 cam, rt heads, crane cam 1.6 roller rockers, jba headers, 48mm f&b throttlebody, fordmotorsport 19lb injector, msd, becool twin fans, crank underdrive pully, 410 gears w/posi, krc pcm flash, mopar stall converter, transgo shift kit
that doesnt equal 317 hp... no matter how you "spec" it. Have your motor dynoed or have your truck dynoed and you will realized that. Here's an idea you dont have 317 hp, you cant even spin the tires off the line with 4.10 gears... those gears and a stall converter will make up for any cam that marty sells for the V6.
i am not insulting you, and if you think so, then i apologize. It's just i wouldnt go around advertising that you have 317 hp but dont have any dyno time and your track time only consists of "high 15".
here are some things that contradict what you are saying.
"I just got to get out of the hole faster"
"So She is a little slow of the line"
"once I'm over 2000 rpm she really moves"
"mopar stall converter"
"4.10 gears"
non of that makes sense. You should be able to holeshot the stock converter to 1700 rpms. I dont know what stall converter you have, but you better be leaving the line higher than 2000 rpms or it was a waste of money. And if you could only get to 1700 rpms, it doesnt take but less than a second to get it to 2000 rpms... which "she really moves".
just get a dyno done and see what she says...
never mind, you already had a dyno, the 1/4 mile track is one of the best dyno's second only to the a engine dyno (more accurate than a shassis dyno).
6.6 Lt. Big Block, 727 TF shift kit, 452 heads, edelbrock 750 cfm, .513/.513 284/300 crower cam, comp cams springs, comp cams pushrods, 1.5 roller rockers, dp intake, mopar ignition, mopar windage tray, dual exhaust w/ 40 series flowmasters, 4.10 gears, coilover drag suspension, approx, 3500 lbs
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BADENOF
Dodge Dakota
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6/07/2004
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Man What is your deal, is this a pissing match or what, I'll tell you what give me your email and I'll email you the blueprint paper I'm not lying if that is what you are beating around the bush about. I have everything listed in my truck, no BS. I have marty's mopar stall converter, with 410 gears, I'll show you the recepts if that helps, If I had somewhere else to get it dyno I would be glad to, but the twister racing motors put it together for me and speced it was capable of making 317hp at the crank, they also said the cam was to big. So you are so smart you tell me where I can go in Orlando to get it dyno for you. Now I know capable of making 317, may not be 317, but I'll tell you staight up it sure feel like it when she running above 3000rpm she'll get sideways easy. But no balls below that, I have tried to work with marty to work out any bugs, the motor might have, but he is just to busy. So do you want to help me with the nitrous or should I send you the blueprint records, and recepts from marty, summit, and dodge!
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IntenseDak39
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6/07/2004
23:18:17
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no no no... no pissing match.
"speced it was capable of making 317hp at the crank"
that's just what i figured was the case. Capable and making are two totally different things. My 400 big block is capable of making 1000 hp... but it doesnt, so i dont say it does.
6.6 Lt. Big Block, 727 TF shift kit, 452 heads, edelbrock 750 cfm, .513/.513 284/300 crower cam, comp cams springs, comp cams pushrods, 1.5 roller rockers, dp intake, mopar ignition, mopar windage tray, dual exhaust w/ 40 series flowmasters, 4.10 gears, coilover drag suspension, approx, 3500 lbs
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BADENOF
Dodge Dakota
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6/07/2004
23:27:32
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So, are you happy you have beat me down, now what. Are you going to help me or not?
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IntenseDak39
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6/07/2004
23:47:58
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i didnt "beat" you down.
like i said before, the NX kit is the best to get. Easy to install, easy to use, more reliable and most accurate. NOS brand jets for power at the motor while NX kits get within 2% of the power advertised at the rear wheels. I forgot the part number but it is the Nitrous Express Dodge EFI kit. It works for all dodge fuel injected cars. The fuel is supplied through the fuel rail via the fuel pressure test port and is easy to hook up. You just remove the shreader valve out of the nozzle and hook up the stainless fuel line. The other companies require that you have a return line to hook up (except the dry kits) and the last time dodge had a return line on a dakota was 1992. Install is not hard but will take about 4-5 hours. Most of the time is spent finding a place and mounting the bottle and main nitrous fuel line.
If and when you get the kit, i would be more than happy to help you with the smaller details you may come up to.
I dont know, but it just bugs me that your truck wont just "light" up the tires from a stop. What size tires are you using?
also, do you have the specs on the cam you are using? Are you using the 218/224? I just installed one of those in a friends truck and i'll ask him how it is doing currently. Also, what does your exhaust consist of after the jba headers?
6.6 Lt. Big Block, 727 TF shift kit, 452 heads, edelbrock 750 cfm, .513/.513 284/300 crower cam, comp cams springs, comp cams pushrods, 1.5 roller rockers, dp intake, mopar ignition, mopar windage tray, dual exhaust w/ 40 series flowmasters, 4.10 gears, coilover drag suspension, approx, 3500 lbs
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BADENOF
Dodge Dakota
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6/08/2004
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yes I'm using marty 218/224 cam, with 1.6 rollers, witch give me a lift of around 513 I think. I have nitto 17/245/50 tires and after the jba's I have true duals with a crossover tube and flowmaster dual in dual out muffer, no cat, I'm using marty blackbox to replace the cat for the pcm.
To be very honest it sucks that I spent this much money on this motor and marty, and the motor doesn't perform from a dead stop, and marty to busy to help. It's not like I have beating down marty's door for his help either, It's just that I can't leave my truck with marty for a week or so for him to trouble shoot it. But I have tried everything I could think of to get her to perform. In reality I think the motor makes 265-285 in hp, she is just a sleeper of the line she idles around 900rpm any high and she pulls to much during braking, any lower and she is really ruff, with the mopar stall I believe the specs marty gives is (The Mopar converter has flashed at 2600 in one of the shop test vehicles) what ever that means. any ideas she should be running better than she does, help. I going to raise her idle today to around 1000rpm and see if it helps any. But give me your thoughts plese. The injectors are sycned to +4 like marty asked for, I just can't work it out, help, HELP, Thanks
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