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kicker01
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12/19/2002
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Well I did something stupid today. I was trying to install the hurst shifter on my dak. But while fitting the shifter on the shifter opening in the tranny one of the 5/16ths nuts fell into the shifter hole :( I definately heard the clink of the nut in the tranny so I know its in there. I got a flashlight to try and find the nut but its not visible. So I stopped what I was doing and got a ride to work.
Now... what should I do? The nut is stainless steel so would a magnet pick it up? Should I drain the fluid out incase its below the fluid level? Any useful feedback would be appreciated!
thanks,
Steve
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tekmon
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12/19/2002
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Magnet will NOT pick up Stainless Steel..
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Texas Todd
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12/19/2002
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SS, a magnet?, why not.
Aluminum, and lead I thought were the only nonmagnetic metals, or alloys of them.
I guess I could be wrong here, have to ry it when I get home. Try one of those magnnet flexible rod thingys, you can get them at auto parts stores, etc.
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Lab Rat
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12/19/2002
09:36:53
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Some stainless alloys are magnetic. Non-ferrous alloys (copper, aluminum, etc..) typically are not.
Try draining the fluid and fishing around the tranny case thru the drain hole. If the magnet doesn't work try a piece of wire with a small hook on it (coathanger). At any rate, as I think you know, don't drive it.
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sandman
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12/19/2002
21:29:49
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Most SS is magnetic. Only a select few types of SS are anti-magnetic. You pay a premium for non-magnetic SS. Very few companys use this type of SS due to cost. SS should be named stain/corrision resistant steel. Usually the more rust resistant an alloy becomes the more brittel and hard it becomes. This presents some serious durability issues. The few SS that are durable,tough, truly corrions resistant and anti-magnetic are usualy very very expensive and would not be used to make a nut unless it is going into space. So the odd's are in your favor that it is magnetic to some degree. I have used gallons of solvent and a kidy pool to flush a nut out of a tranny to keep from haveing to remove the tranny and splict the case. Is their an inspection cover on the side or bottom of the tranny????
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P
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12/19/2002
21:58:08
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How bout putting the magnet on the nuts you have left to see it they can be picked up by a magnet.
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Lab Rat
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12/19/2002
23:16:51
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Hmmm...sandman wrong. The most commonly used SS alloys are 304 and 316, both are which NON-magnetic. SS430 is magnetic and somewhat popular.
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handi2
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12/19/2002
23:43:15
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All the marine SS hardware I use is not magnetic. It contains no ferrous metal.
You could probably drive it until one day ooops.
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dirtyvicar
Dodge Dakota
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12/20/2002
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P said:
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How bout putting the magnet on the nuts you have left to see it they can be picked up by a magnet.
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My thoughts exactly!
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kicker01
Dodge Dakota
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12/20/2002
10:46:36
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well the nut isnt magentic. Im going to have the truck towed to a shop. I guess wont do that again.
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Steve
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mddak
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12/20/2002
11:25:51
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just a thought
If you tow it with the front up. isn't parts of tranny still turning with the back wheels . you gotta disconnect driveshaft or tow a$$ end up
just a thought
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P
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12/20/2002
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Dirtyvicar great mines think alike.
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sandman
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12/20/2002
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SS304 is not durable or tough it is anti magnetic, it is resistant to heat and mild acids. I have not used 316 so I will take you at your word. You pay a premium for marine grade hardware do you not?? Last I checked SS nuts and bolts cost alot more then the carbon steel nuts and bolts. Check the grade of the SS hardware you are useing if it is grade 8 and SS you paid extra for that too. Check your SS guns and Kitchen knives. If you test most SS things in your house you will proably find that most are magnetic. Ya I might have over stated how seldom you find anti-magnetic SS but the jest was still valid. More often then not SS is magnetic. The only common use for 304 that I am aware of is exhaust systems. The most common SS are used in cutlery(420,440,C AUS6,AUS8,ATS-34) and most are magnetic. Firarms normaly use resulferized armament grade 416 wich is also magnetic and will stain easily. My SS lug nuts stick to my magnetic parts tray as well. You might still try flushing with large amounts of solvent to flush the nut out!!
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ss bandit
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12/20/2002
20:56:27
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OK here is my 2 cents worth - worked with SS all my life and my selection of SS nuts, bolts, nails, wire, screws etc is rather large.
General info. We check all our SS scrap with a geiger counter since a lot is used in reactors. Steel with more than 10% chrome is considered stainless. Low chrome/nickel SS most 400 series will rust and/or is magnetic, most knives but they carry a better edge. High chrome SS 300 series is not mgnetic and will not rust but will pick up surface rust with contact to rusty material. Decent SS nuts bolts will have the SS series stamped on them. 316 material is a excellent stainless. malleable, acid and rust resistant non mag. SS has realy come down in price. comes down to cost of chrome and nickel. chrome from south africa and nickel from russia. You see more SS because it's cheaper now
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rew
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12/21/2002
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first a little background I am a design engineer for a tier one automotive manufacturer.
Sandman is not right about 300 series stainless steel as are the most of the rest of you 303 and 304 stainless, the most common (according to the Steel Institute of America) of the stainless steels is very durable, tough when compared to most other steel alloys except tool steel, and is used in marine applications, it is resistant to medium grade acids and to salt spray and is totally non-magnetic as are all 300 series stainless. Grade 8 bolts are not made of stainless but of tool steel. 304 stainless is used in machinery shafts, glass molds for automotive side lights and windshields, anywhere high heat is encountered and in a lot more industrial uses then I care to get into, He is right though in that most house hold stainless is magnetic when compared to low carbon, low alloy steel, but not as much magnetic. 316 stainless is however like one of you infered a superior steel when it comes to acid resistance. All work well in high heat, but 316 again is superior. Stainless steel does contrary to one of you contain steel, or ferrous metal, a lot of it. More then 50% in all cases both 400 and 300 series. The Nickel and Chromium content is what makes it non-magnetic. If marine grade stainless were made from chrome and nickle only it would be impossible to machine it on conventional machineray. As an alloy the nickel and chrome do-not allow the electrons in the steel atoms to become aligned enough to be magnetic. It is the non-alignment of those very electrons that makes it not rust.
TexasTod the only magnetic metal that I know of is iron and it's refined alloy, steel. All other metals are no-magnetic, copper brass bronze, aluminum, titainium, lead, molybdenum, zinc, tungsten, mercury, gold, nickle, chromium, etc. but may be used in a coil with DC current to produce a magnetic field.Go figure.
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.alex.
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12/21/2002
13:38:49
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So are we gonna argue over stainless steel or are we gonna figure out how to get a nut out of the boy's tranny??
Damn.
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ss bandit
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12/21/2002
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darn engineers - hhey I'm one of them
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kicker01
Dodge Dakota
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12/22/2002
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special thanks goes out to the ss peanut gallery. I now know more about stainless steel and its magnetic properties than I do about my problem. I disconnected my driveshaft from the rear end and turned the shaft by hand in hopes of hearing the nut rattle around in the tranny. Well I didnt hear anything unusual. Gonna have the truck towed monday and I might not get it back till next year...:( Oh well, I guess things could be worse.
Steve
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Who Knows
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12/22/2002
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If you didn't hear anything when turning by hand maybe the nut dropped to the bottom of the trans. Did you drain the fluid out? If you did maybe you can bend a clothes hanger with a hook at the end to probe around the bottom thru the drain hole and maybe get lucky and fish the nut out. Just an idea, trying to save $.
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Steve
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12/22/2002
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If you drain the trans and the nut doesn't come out with the oil, leave the oil plug out and pour some kerosene in the top where you dropped the nut in. It may flush it out.
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QuickRacing
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12/23/2002
10:54:13
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You just gotta love those engineers... Get paid the big dollars to work the problem backwards!
It would be too easy to just think on how to get the nut out.. first lets figure out what the nut is made of, then see how much of each metal is in this nut.. is it magnetic, will it rust... How does this nut compare to a standard kitchen knife...
I love these guys!
Just giving you guys crap!
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Drew
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.alex.
Dodge Dakota
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12/23/2002
11:40:35
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Hey, if it rusts at a certain rate, then what caustic substance can we pour thru the tranny to dissolve the nut? At what rate would we be able to pour it without dissolving the rest of the tranny? Okay, full metallurgy reports on the rest of the tranny are going to be necessary, so let's pull apart the tranny and research what each piece of metal is made of.....
oh look, there's the nut right there. Okay, problem solved. Durrrrrrrrrrrr
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mddak
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12/23/2002
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they do make a something scope that battery powered for light with a flexible tube and you look thru it. we used them to look inside a wall thru a small hole for interior damage. you might find one at a rental store.. they rent everything.
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