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12/09/2002
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I have been doing some research for the group. I have found out that the Baldwin B2-HPG is a full flow syhthetic Glass media filter. It can be used as an oil filter or hydralic filter. It surpass the Mobile-1 filter no problem and is probabley chaeper. It can be used with regular oil or synthetic. I would imagine that this is either the same or similar to Amsoil SDF15. I do not know the cost just yet but I will report to the group as soon as I know any more. With all this said I can not imagine that we will be able to get it any cheaper then a prefered customer gets it through Amsoil. You must also use Amsoils complete line of filters "see tri-gurad" in order for their warranty to apply with extended oil drains! The above information is for those people wishing to maximize their marginal return with regurds to oil filters that are not currently prefered customers of Amsoil. I like to get quality and I like to get it at the best price I can. It cost too much to buy it twice!!!



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12/09/2002
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Thanks Steven, for the offer. We all use Mobil 1.



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12/09/2002
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Heck, I use the cheapest filter from Walmart. Ain't hurtin' nothin.....I put them on everything I drive and it work good on all my trucks.
Even use their supertech oil.....cheapest stuff, and its just as good as the other stuff.



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12/09/2002
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walmart filter at $1.97 is made by champion labs. better than most out here regardless of price. God these oil and oil filter threads by amscrap are "BORING"



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12/09/2002
23:21:39

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You mean people actually buy those cheap a$$ Wal-Fart filters?

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12/09/2002
23:39:46

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walmart sells a lot more oil and filters than amscrap. is that amway products.



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12/10/2002
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To "whatever":
If you had been visiting this site for more than one day you would know that I am not "sandman". Sandman has been on this site for a couple of years and I would not use (hijack) his name, so I don't understand your negative comment. Sandman was actually suggesting a Baldwin Filter, and "regulars" know that sandman always adds valued opinions and information. Enough with the trash-talk and flames please.
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I'll add my 2 cents....

1) after researching cross references for several years - I have come to one large conclusion: I don't beleive in matches until I lay my eyes on both (or should I say "in" both). I have torn apart SDF-15's, but not the Baldwin B2-HPG ... can you tell me about the Baldwin B2-HPG. Where is the by-pass valve. I know the B2 could physically match (externally) ...but the guts?? HPG = HP glass? I'll have to check that out.

2) The Amsoil Trigard program applies to going beyond the 25/35K interval (or 1 year) by using 1) Amsoil Air Filter, Amsoil Full Flow Oil Filter and Amsoil By-Pass Oil Filter 2) Amsoil Synthetic Oil and 3) Oil Analysis. It has nothing to do with warranty of the product and using Amsoil at Amsoil recommended change intervals.
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I'll try and get back with you as soon as possible.



Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com

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12/10/2002
07:56:43

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Steve, am I mistaken in thinking that Baldwin actually makes the AMSOIL filters. I thought I read that somewhere. Just curious. Thanks


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12/10/2002
08:36:12

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BigBlueQC,
I'll get to your question after my next coffee. First I wanted to follow up on my response to sandman:

A friend of mine was about to order several of the Baldwin B2-HPG's for testing. Baldwin does mention this in their tech docucments as being good for lube or hydraulic/ATF. Bypass is @ 8psi, and front mounted. MSRP $16.80. I've seen them discounted to a price as low as $8.73 each but I don't recall when or where.

Baldwin has been sent a note asking for their flow/effiency numbers on this filter and a couple of their other filters. I will update you when they let me know. If you already have the information, let us know!
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For reference: The Amsoil preferred customer price for Amsoil SDF-15 Oil Filter is $7.90 each.
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12/10/2002
08:45:26

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BigBlue QC, (regarding "who" makes Amsoil Filters)

I'm always available to answer any and all questions. To briefly repeat what was on another post, AMSOIL oil filters are made by Hastings, which is a subsidiary of Baldwin. Baldwin still manufactures and markets under both the Baldwin and the Hastings name (Hastings and AMSOIL are made in the same plant in Nebraska). Baldwin representatives told me that the AMSOIL oil filters use a better grade of filter media, found in only a VERY FEW of the Baldwin filters - simply a matter of economics - it costs more to manufacture - therefore the reason for the higher AMSOIL Filter price (not a middleman markup or re-badging).

**Amsoil Filters are manufactured to Amsoil's Specifications**

Amsoil filters are not Hastings! The confusion is that Amsoil just markets the Hastings brand so their dealers will have a source for EVERY filter application imaginable. Amsoil offers and sells Hastings filters but WILL NOT sell Hastings filters for which there is an equivalent Amsoil filter.

**Amsoil Filters ARE NOT re-badged Hastings or Baldwins**
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DISCLAIMER (to avoid being flamed) This post was not intended to discredit any other manufacturers or their products. Thank You and Happy Holidays.



Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com

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12/10/2002
09:03:17

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Mobil 1 for all your oil and filter needs.

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Here is what they say about Mobil 1:

Mobil 1 comes as standard equipment in some of the finest production vehicles you can buy. It's "factory fill" in Chevrolet Corvette, all Porsches, Mercedes-Benz AMG models, Dodge Viper, Ford Mustang Cobra R and all Aston Martin cars. Here are some remarks from some of the top engineers and executives at these renowned manufacturers.

"Every car produced in the factory in Stuttgart gets its first oil from Mobil 1. And that means that all our cars and engines are developed with that product."
Herbert Ampferer, Director,
Porsche Motorsports

"Mobil 1 is the only oil we use for our engines as the first filling. And then we put the sticker in the engine compartment just to make sure that people know what's in their engines."
Domingos Piedade, Managing Director,
Mercedes-Benz AMG

"Based upon the results we saw several years ago in endurance racing with Team Shelby, we felt Mobil 1 could do the job in the Viper, Dodge's highest-performance sports car."
Charlie Brown III, Viper Engine Supervisor,
DaimlerChrysler Corporation

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There are many benefits to the Mobil 1 High Efficiency Oil Filter. It can remove more contaminants than a conventional filter, and it can withstand up to five times the normal system operation pressure. It also has reduced resistance to oil flow. Put simply, the Mobil 1 High Efficiency Oil Filter offers outstanding protection for an engine.

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This is for informational purposes only. Thanks.



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12/10/2002
09:43:41

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so amsoil doesn't make it's own product.

A compny i worked for made products for other companyies. stuff left the plant with any label you wanted. Thing was the other company didn't see what we did day to dday to make their stuff. Our products came first. you don't give a competetor a better product. You pay more attention to your own company brand. this is what the guys on the line thought. it all worked usally.



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12/10/2002
11:03:24

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OEMsupplier,
So what is your point? Baldwin owns Hastings who manufacturers Amsoil oil filters to Amsoil Specifications which are unique to Amsoil. UNIQUE TO AMSOIL.

Just because Hastings makes Amsoil Filters does not mean they are the same filter (external or internal) as Hastimgs or Baldwin.

To make it simple for simple minds. GM owns HUMMER who builds the new H2, and GM owns the Cadillac Division which makes the Cadillac Escalade. Does that mean that the Cadillac Escalade is just like the H2, because the HUMMER and Cadillac Divisions are both owned by GM? Just because a product is manufactured by the same company does not mean the are the same end products. I could think of 1000's of examples if space allowed.

I live in PA and toured the Amsoil site as part of a school field trip. I know for a FACT that they produce their own oils from available basestocks and additives, again to their OWN SPECIFICATIONS. I saw 1000's of barrels being prepared for shipment to major corporations across the country.

PS, I don't care who assembles their filters as long as they are to Amsoil Spec's, and superior products.



JTBrown
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12/10/2002
11:15:15

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I am still not convinced of the Super Tech filters from Wally Mart!! I looked at some of them in the store and compared them.

The filters look poor because they only have very few and very small holes in the inner metal spindle in the cartridge.

I dont like that at all in filters. First thing I always look at is the amount and size of the inlet holes in the base plate and the amount and size of the outlet holes in the cartridge inner metal spindle.

The Super tech are not what I would want on my engine. Why mess with the lifeblood of my engine.




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12/10/2002
12:58:54

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Thanks Steve

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12/10/2002
17:47:04

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The Baldwin B2 is a good filter the B2-HPG is even better,better filter media and they are $10 bucks here in canada cheaper than what I pay for the Amsoil SDF-15, after I use my last SDF-15 that what Im gonna use.



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12/10/2002
20:21:37

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I apoligise(sp) for multiple post. I thought that the information I posted had been censored. I did not want all the time and energy I spent looking for a substitue for the excellent Amsoil SDF filter's to go to waste. I know that their are alot of guys on this site that barely scrape by each mounth but want the best they can get. So I searched until I found what I think is the same filter or darn close. They are $6-$8. I thought that all of us would like a filter that is cheaper then the Mobil-1 and even better performing. I did not do this to be negative in any way to the Amsoil sponsor. I know alot of guys will not use Amsoil for various reasons. This was supposed to be helpful to the group not flame anyone. So if I upset anyone that was not the intent of the post.



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12/10/2002
21:32:36

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hey tommy..So what is your point? all the companies you used as examples are one and the same company,

Baldwin owns Hastings who manufacturers Amsoil oil filters but amsoil is not part of hastings or baldwin . They are a competetor and when we worked as OEM suppliers our stuff came first. I ain't lossing my job to make a better product for somebody who gonna take my job. screw that, my company brand comes first. amsoil gets whatever they give them and any inspection is on a sample basis. He11 we shipped right to there warehouse they never saw the stuff they sell.



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12/10/2002
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Dear Fleven Stork,

If Mobil1 is such a good product then why do the performance shops that do feature articles in magazines concerning synthetic oils always rank AMSOIL number one?

We all know that the automakers sometimes make poor choices in their selection for "factory
installed" parts.

FORD - Firestone
GM - Uniroyal
Dodge- Uhh .. No Comment!

Dr. D



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12/11/2002
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Dr. D -

I'm glad you asked. Thank you for viewing the Mobil 1 information that you have recieved.
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I must say that the Mobil 1 post was for informational purposes only.

This post was not intended to discredit any other manufacturers or their products.

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Here is what they say about Mobil 1:

Mobil 1 comes as standard equipment in some of the finest production vehicles you can buy. It's "factory fill" in Chevrolet Corvette, all Porsches, Mercedes-Benz AMG models, Dodge Viper, Ford Mustang Cobra R and all Aston Martin cars. Here are some remarks from some of the top engineers and executives at these renowned manufacturers.

"Every car produced in the factory in Stuttgart gets its first oil from Mobil 1. And that means that all our cars and engines are developed with that product."
Herbert Ampferer, Director,
Porsche Motorsports

"Mobil 1 is the only oil we use for our engines as the first filling. And then we put the sticker in the engine compartment just to make sure that people know what's in their engines."
Domingos Piedade, Managing Director,
Mercedes-Benz AMG

"Based upon the results we saw several years ago in endurance racing with Team Shelby, we felt Mobil 1 could do the job in the Viper, Dodge's highest-performance sports car."
Charlie Brown III, Viper Engine Supervisor,
DaimlerChrysler Corporation



This post is for informational purposes only.





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12/11/2002
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Hey OEM Supplier,
Your comment:
"when we worked as OEM suppliers our stuff came first. I ain't lossing my job to make a better product for somebody who gonna take my job. screw that, my company brand comes first."

How sad that you and your company take that stance (Honestly, I doubt if the executives of your company do). For most companies, outside contracts are their lifeblood. ZF Industries for instance, is the outsourcing subsidiary for Daimler/Chrysler. I know some manufacturers that receive between 70-80% of their gross revenues from their ZF Industries contracts (providing U.S. jobs for 100's of workers). If these companies felt and acted like you they would be out of business, with 100's of layoffs. I guess you would rather the ZF Industries products be "made in Mexico". How would you feel if your company lost 70% of its orders? Would it be a Merry Christmas?



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12/11/2002
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Tommy, these outside contractors could care less who there supplier is and what country it's made in. I could be there supplier this month and next month they find a cheaper supplier or some money changes hands and there gone and so are the jobs. If the outside contractor cares about the product, they would set up their own manufacturing line so they can control the quality from start to finish. versus shopping around for the cheapest price no matter where it's at.

by the way ZF industries is in mexico.



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12/11/2002
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OEM supplier, WRONG WRONG WRONG ! QUALITY & SERVICE !!!

One of my GOOD friends has an agreement to manufacture for ZF Industries in South Carolina. It was a ten-year contract renewable for another ten. ZF is, and has been, so impressed with the quality of service and product they renewed before the end of the contract. Foreign companies are MORE LOYAL than their American counterparts. For instance, our European and Asian contracts have never been cancelled. American companies are always holding us hostage...lower your cost or we move production to Indonesia.



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12/11/2002
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ZF industries is part of ZF group Which has facilities in north america, south america, europe and who knows where else. This owned by
ZF Friedrichshafen AG - a German outfit

Zf industries is part of NAFTA with locations in Canada, the US and Mexico

in SC they have duncan and Lancaster maybe more. check it out

reality sucks




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12/11/2002
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OEM,
You said NOTHING. I am the master of information.



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12/11/2002
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my dakota's original and replacement battery was made in sunny and warm mexico

arriba, arriba



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