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Big59er
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10/31/2002
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cris... I didnt know that Camaro SS run mid/low 12 second quarters...
Iv rode in my aunts 01 Trans-am, and I test drove an 03 cobra tommorow and cris I hate to burst your bubble but the trans am compared to that car isnt a pidly pile of sh-t...
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Big59er
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10/31/2002
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minus the tommorow.
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Big59er
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10/31/2002
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The F'in mach 1 runs low 13's absolutely bone stock, the SS and the trans-am would have enough trouble with that car let alone the extra 100 horse power.
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Big59er
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10/31/2002
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lol, to think a year ago I used to think my aunts car was something else.
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George W.
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11/01/2002
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Cris you must be out of your F'ing mind... The N/A version of the DOHC 4.6 in the Mach1 can get into the 12's on drag radials... You need to crawl out of that card board box that says "GM" on the side of it.
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Mr.6
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11/01/2002
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I dont understand why people who dont like a certain car lie about it. Its really strange, you'll here about a 2000 Viper GTS that runs low 12's, but a GM guy will say yeah! but the Z06 runs High 11's! Or a Gm guy will say his camaro runs low 13's but the ford guy says his runs high 12's. None of it really makes any sence to me... Remember just because you guys dont like a certain car over another that doesnt automatically make the one you hate alot slower. The lot of you sound narrow minded if you ask me.
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Big59er
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11/01/2002
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http://bonforums.com/mustang/cobra_03snakecharmed091702.htm
Thats a good article for you to read...
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yates-in-DE
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11/01/2002
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My wife's 1.5L 96 Mazda Protege' (bone stock I might add) will turn 13's all day. In fact every time I drive it I G-Tech it in the 1/8 just to make sure it's still running strong, and every time 13's.
Later,
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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Marks DQC
GenIII
11/01/2002
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Have y'all heard?
Ford Halts Cobra Production due to Quality Concerns!
http://www.bonforums.com/mustang/cobra_03prodstopped102902.htm
Seems too many of the engines are blowing up!
A better article to read. Shades of 1999 all over again.
I have a 1998 Camaro SS, bone stock they will rune 13.2, not mid 12's. It's easy to get to mid 12's, but not stock. I've also taken a stock Z06 down the track in low 12's.
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Big59er
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11/02/2002
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Funny thing about that article is how they never really say that ford ever said anything about problems with quality themselves. The only thing confirmed on there is that they have ceased production at the moment. Another thing too I would assume if there was a quality concern they would have also mentioned some sort of recall on the exsisting Cobra's.
Mayhaps, mark, you need to question those un-noted sources mentioned in the article. It sounds more like rumor than fact. I havent heard of any body who actually owns one having any trouble with the car.
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Marks DQC
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11/02/2002
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Time will tell Big59er. It took Ford a long time to admit there was a problem with the 99's and do the recall. If they think they will be back in production by 11/15, whatever the delay is it must have an easy fix?
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polaracid
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11/02/2002
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ok ill get out some quotes from motor trend
'03 Z06
405 hp
400 tq
weight 3118 lbs
1/4 mile : 12.85 @ 114.36
0-100 @ 10.27
'03 svt mustang
390 hp
390 tq
weight 3665 lbs
1/4 mile : 12.84 @ 113.18
0-100 @ 10.62
'03 viper srt-10 (cause mopar rules)
500 hp
525 tq
weight 3380
1/4 mile :12.37 @ 117.21
0-100 9.54
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Marks DQC
GenIII
11/03/2002
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Interesting. Is the Z06 slowing down?
Motor Trend February 2002
'02 Z06
405 hp
0-60 4.1
1/4 mile : 12.5 @ 115
0-100 @ 9.48
Haven't found your stats, but with a higher power to weight ratio the stats for the '03 Z06 don't make sense.
Here's an online reference for the Z06:
http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx
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POWER HUNGRY
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11/03/2002
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www.fast-autos.net
02' z06
0-60: 4 sec.
1/4 mile: 12.5@115 mph
03' mach 1
0-60: est 5.0 sec
1/4 mile: 13.4@104 mph
03' SVT cobra
0-60: 4.5 sec
1/4 mile: 12.9@111 mph
It's Really hard to compare #'s from magazines unless the cars are tested at the the same place and day by drivers of the same skill. I have seen mags. saying the 02' z06 goes as slow as 12.9, but have seen ones at the track do 12.4's(good driver)-14.0's(bad driver).
When we can't do that Physics rule: power to weight, weight disturbtion(i.e. traction)= winner Basic rules of the world of drag racing..
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Autocrosser
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11/04/2002
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Not a comparison. Z06 a much better car. The Z06 is good straight line racer but they are a better road racer. The mustang is no competition for the Vette plain and simple. Most get blown away by the 4th gen F-body. Those that are fast are heavily modified. Anyone can mash their foot to the floor and go in a straight line. It takes a lot driver skill to negotiate a turn at speed. For those who don't believe go to an SCCA solo II event. The f-body and the C5 rule the track. May be I am little biased since I am a former Z28 owner and a current C5 owner.
Daks Rule !
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Big46er
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11/04/2002
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http://www.nmraracing.com/news/102902/cobra_shootout/
This is one of my fav articles about the 03' Cobra. :P
Power Hungry I frequent fast-autos.net quite often and I wouldnt swear by the numbers that you find on there... If you didnt notice they had the 50th anniversery C5 running in at only 13.6... Now come on, Im not a big fan of the vette but even I know that car is quicker than that.
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Big46er
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11/04/2002
21:29:51
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It takes alittle under 1000 dollars to get the Cobra to run mid to low 11's. Hell as you can see in that article they were pulling mid 11's on street tires.
http://www.rpmoutlet.com/03cobradyno.htm
there is one of the 500 horse power packages (at the rear wheel I might add)
This cars suspension is supposidly better than that of the 00' Cobra R... Since I'm more of a ford, than chevy guy, I dont justify paying 15 thousand dollars more for the Z06 so I can squeeze off a couple tenths of a second on a road course. Autocrosser I fully agree with you but its what people see on the streets that count. If one car cant hang with the other from a light or on the interstate than thats how the cars capabilities are truely measured.
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Marks DQC
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11/04/2002
21:59:44
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The article is a little mistaken. It states "We know how this story ends: the Cobra is now the fastest production car you can buy in America short of a Viper." That statement is simply incorrect.
The Z06 is faster and there are many foreign exoctics you can buy in America that are faster.
If you want to talk modified cars then get in line too. How about a 9.7 second C5, full production weight, normally aspirated, nitrous.
http://www.motorsporttech.com/2002_website/ridessw.html
I didn't see any reference to sub 10 sec runs in the article. The winner, at 10.975 did so by: "Paul and the gang also gutted the car, and I mean they got rid of everything. We looked inside and did an immediate double-take because in place of all that plush Cobra interior was a 10-point, NHRA-certified cage with only the driver's seat in its stock position."
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Big46er
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Yes but the foriegn exotics are concidered imports rather than american production.
Look guys you can press on if you want but I'm going to call a truce... The LS1/LS6 are deffinatly nothing to be taken lightly. At the same time I love my car. We all have a pation for mean machines, and I respect everyones opinions. With that said as long as your happy with what you've got thats what counts.
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Big46er
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Correction Passion*
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Ronald Mcdona
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Cut the Cobra some slack... This engine is totally different from the DOHC 4.6 engines before... The compression rate is lower, they've used all heavy duty forged parts to make sure that there are no longevity problems (due to the blower). And the owners of these cars have only been exposed to this car for alittle over 4 months, cut them some slack. It took the GN a couple years to break into the 9's... Now look at them, the fastest turbo regal "Tweaked 2" (by Conley racing) pulls 6.55@212.29 mph (thats a world amature record by the way). Stroked out 3.8 TT. Now Im not saying by any means that this Cobra will come anywhere close to that but im just using an example of what time does for a car.
The bottom line is the Cobra, what it can do over the course of a few months, mid 11's on street tires (plus a few bolt ons) is very commendable. The Z06 of course gets props from where it sits and likewise to the Cobra.
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98 SVT Venom
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12/12/2002
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Bottom line even if the Z06 is a little faster then the Cobra, so what!!! Take that money you save when you buy the Cobra, drop some of it into the suspension, bump the PSI and what do you have!? A car that out muscles, accelerates harder, pulls even harder and handles better then the all mighty Vette', and you still have a couple grand left over. Don't get me wrong I like Vette's and it is an awesome car but the fact of the matter is the whole "Bang for you buck" phrase doesn't pertain to the Vette' anymore it belongs to the "King Cobra" 1 Supercar down and one more to go,..."Viper"
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Daker777
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OK well how about we stop biotching about cars we only "hear" have gone fast. Motortrend is carp as far as their number go for cars. They are paid money to make certain cars go faster. I have seen the new cobras at the track and they are damn fast. There was one with just slicks and a pully for a lightning and he was in the low 12's. Ya the car shifts like carp and is still a rustang, but it is damn fast and very impressive. I have seen stock 2001 ZO6s cut very low 13's all day long in decent weather. Which would I rather have? The zo6 of coarse. But you gotta admit ford is stepping up their game as far as performance motors. The L's and now the cobras are freaking rediculously fast and can take alot. WOuld I trade my r/t for one? Not in a million years. Dont bitch about stuff that doesnt concern you it will only cause your hair to fall out.
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Demon Dakota
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12/12/2002
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Plus the '03 SVT Cobra keeps getting 390 RWHP (+/-) at the rear wheels from the factory at local Atlanta Dynos. Makes you think.
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Bluethunder
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12/12/2002
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If you have limited budget and just want your best speed for dollar ratio, its the Cobra hands down...BUT If you have a few extra bux? Go with the z06 more refined, better handling, and its a vette!
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autocrosser
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12/13/2002
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I am current C5 owner. Here are a few of my complaints. Parts are expensive. The rattles drive you nuts. You better have second car to drive because you know it's going to break. It looks great sitting on jack stands. Current ZO6 owners are dealing with severe oil burning problems. 1 quart every 1K miles. GM says that's within spec. Vettes have problems. Don't know how the reliability is for the Cobra's.
My Dak is quiet, smooth, no rattles and I can always rely on it to get me where I am going. Gotta love it.
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The Dog
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12/13/2002
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Corvettes are for old men who wear snakeskin boots and leather USA jackets.The new COBRA is a way better car,kind of reminds ya of the Grand National in performance.
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chris
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12/13/2002
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r/t with 4.8 stoker, forced induction, 100 shot. I'd rather drive that then a zo6 or cobra
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LS1eater
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12/13/2002
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hey polaracid why dont you compare the price of the z06 to the cobra and the cobra to the viper.
I can take my 98 z28 and smoke any stock viper or any z06.
Ill even hive them a few mods and still win
Not to mention that i have less than 25000$ in my car total.
Wake up to the real world and relize that vipers arent that fast and z06's are justa little quicker than a ss or a ram air.
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