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98FlameRdDak
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Okay, I need some advice. I have read tons of the posts in all the forums regarding converting the 4 speed automatic transmission over to Amsoil universal ATF fluid.
However, there has been a great debate as to doing this. The downfall to this is that Amsoil is a UNIVERSAL ATF fluid, where as the MOPAR ATF4 is specifially designed for our trannys.
I have the fluid and the new filters sitting here. I was going to do the fluid swap this weekend. I guess what I want to know is how many people who come here have done this? Since my 98 CC is out of warranty, I guess I have nothing to lose, except 1400 bucks for a replacement.
Any real thoughts?
Thanks for the input.
Mark
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sandman
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I switched my tranny fluid at 10,000 miles to redline synthetic C+ ATF. It now has about 7000 miles on the trany and it is fine. I switched my transfer case to Amsoil ATF a week ago. So far no problems at all!!!! Big Blue on the board faxed me a copy of his trany fluid test results after 23,000 miles of running Amsoil in it. The results were excellent! One note to everyone. If you want a gasket material that matches perfectly with OEM use a product called The Right Stuff. It is expensive compared to plain RTV but it is 1000 times better then RTV. First it cures in 1 minute and one it has been assembled for 1 minute you can return the vechile to service right away. It has manytime more adhesion then rtv. It has OEM part number for GM,Chrysler and Ford and it matches the OEM sealant on the trany pan exactly! I tried this product and I think it is the best sealant I have ever used in all the years I was a Tech.
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gunboat
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7/28/2002
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hi mark i have a 2000 dakota q.c. 4x2 3.9l engine 4-speed auto tranny.( 42re ) i switched all my lube fliuds over to amsoil at 38,000 miles have now got almost 44,000 miles. i'am real pleased with the amsoil. i even installed the remote bypass filter system on the engine. on my last trip to knoxville,tenn i averaged 22 miles per gallon at 70 mph. thats an increase of over 2 mpg since i changed over from dino oil. hope this helps, don
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Dr. D
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7/28/2002
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I use the AMSOIL "Universal" ATF in Ford, GM and Daimler-Chrysler transmissions.
NO PROBLEMS !
Dr. D
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AmsoilSponsor
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98FlameRdDak (or may I call you Samuel Clemmens),
Funny you should pose it that way.
My wife is a Shakspearean Trained Actor performing off-Broadway theatre, print and commercial work. She is heading to LA in October (wish her luck and I'll try to get you tickets to the MTV Awards.) :-)
I'll keep this short. I've seen you on many threads so you've read all my comments and the comments of others too. If I can provide you with any additional information let me know.
Steven Roark, AmsoilDealer, Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubrication, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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Big Blue QC
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7/29/2002
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Hi all,
98FlameRdDak
as Sandman stated above I have had AMSOIL ATF in my truck since 4000 miles. About to turn 30000 and NO problems. I had the fluid tested at 23000 and as Sandman stated the reuslts were almost perfect. The current issue of AMSOIL Action News I just got in the mail has a whole article dedicated to transmissions and fluids. Try contacting AMSOIL and see if they will send you one, or maybe Steve Roark could.
Also, I hope you plan on having the trans. flushed so you can replace ALL the fluid. Dropping the pan yourself and then refilling will only change about 5 quarts. I know my trans. is different than yours but I am sure the the lack of not flushing the fluid will still apply. Good Luck!
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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98FlameRdDak
Dodge Dakota
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7/29/2002
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Well, I am convivnced to do this and only hope that nothing major ever happens to my truck. I still have over 3 years left to pay it off.
As for a flush, I decided to take the truck to a transmission shop and have them do it. I realized that once the pan was dropped, there would be fluid all over the place. Not to mention a few of the transmission shops that I called said they would do it for 75 bucks. I all ready have the filters and fluid so all I am paying for is labor.
Thanks for the input.
Mark
ps- For Steven, marktwain has been my alias since 1984, back in the days of bbs's and long before the internet. Back when Apples were the wave of the future.
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AmsoilSponsor
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98FlameRdDak,
Just letting you know I was observant.
I was born and raised in Georgia, and always a huge fan of Mark Twain.
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration and Truck Care Products
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ShakesDak
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If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
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AmsoilSponsor
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"To be, or not to be: that is the question.
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing, end them." --Hamlet, III:1
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AMSOIL products clearly offer better wear protection than competitive synthetics and much better protection than conventional oils. AMSOIL gear oils are formulated with friction modifiers for limited slip differential applications. There is no need to add limited slip or additional additives.
Since 1999, due to the special requirements of their automatic transmissions, Chrysler has recommended a unique ATF+4 formulation. In addition, Chrysler has been recommending ATF+4 for all previous makes and models of Chrysler Corporation vehicles. The new AMSOIL Synthetic ATF exceeds the performance specifications for Chrysler ATF+, +2, +3, and +4 as well as MS-7176 A, B, C, D, & E; MS-9602 A, B, & C. as well as Ford Mercon or General Motors Dexron III applications.
AMSOIL Synthetic ATF provides outstanding high and low temperature performance and oxidation stability. AMSOIL Synthetic ATF also improves fuel efficiency, reduces transmission temperatures and increases equipment life. The service life of the universal AMSOIL Synthetic ATF is up to five times the service life of conventional ATFs.
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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WannaBeActor
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"Can Anyone Desire Too Much Of A Good Thing?"
- As You Like It, Act 4, Scene 1
The Same Holds True For Amsoil Synthetic Oil !
MountainDak
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nmdcommguy
Dodge Dakota
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I have the stock transmission and differential oil in my 01 QC. It has over 8000 miles on it and I have had NO problems, ever, not even one!
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mountainDak
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A 2001 with 8000 miles...you shouldn't have any problems. But when you change your fluids ... GO SYNTHETIC for longer and better service.
"Can Anyone Desire Too Much Of A Good Thing?"
- As You Like It, Act 4, Scene 1
MountainDak
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ActorWannaBe
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Thanks Steven Roark, Amsoil Guy
"I can no other answer make, but, thanks, and thanks" ... (for Amsoil)
-Twelfth Night, Act 3, Scene 3
MountainDak
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QCOwner
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I think the most appropriate idiom for this thread is "a fool and his money are soon parted", with the primary recipients being your Amsoil distributor and perhaps eventually a transmision repair shop.
Chrysler ATF+4 is a synthetic fluid, and one designed specifically for the 45RE. You are making a decison to experiment with your transmission based on nothing but marketing hype and for no real advantage.
But it's your money.
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MountainDak
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QCOwner,
That he (QCOwner)is mad, 'tis true;
'tis true 'tis pity;
And pity 'tis 'tis true.
-Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2
O Sir, we quarrel in print, by the book, as you have books for good manners. I will name you the degrees. The first, the Retort Courteous; the second, the Quip Modest; the third, the Reply Churlish; the fourth, the Reproof Valiant; the fifth, the Countercheck Quarrelsome; the sixth, the Lie with Circumstance; the seventh, the Lie Direct.
-As You Like It, V4
Anger Management Lessons Perhaps?
MountainDak
P.S. Per your quote "Chrysler ATF+4 is a synthetic fluid, and one designed specifically for the 45RE." Would you have us believe that Dodge Trucks ONLY perform if they are ALL MOPAR? Pity then all the guys using Autolites and K&N and ... etc, etc, etc.
That he (QCOwner)is mad, 'tis true!
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QCOwner
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MountainDak,
Great quotes :-) But angry? Not at all... just trying to represent another point of view, sorry if it came off any stronger than that.
And no, I am not trying to blindly say that one should use only OEM parts. But in the specific case of transmission fluid for the 45RE, Chrysler goes to much length to point out that only ATF+4 should be used (even ATF+3, a very similar formulation, is not acceptable). It could be that they are just trying to get you to use their product, but search around and you will find a lot of information detailing why specific performance characteristics are critical in electronically controlled DC transmissions. There are many differences in transmission fluid formulations (such as viscosity and friction coefficents) that are quite different from one another and it strains credibility (the nicest way I can think of saying it) that a 'one size fits all' formulation could possibly meet all the requirements of all the different standards. And bottom line, why in the world would anyone take the chance? The penalties for being wrong are high and the advantages of using a alternate are just about nil.
So no, there is no need to always stick to the Dodge 'party line', but if you decide to ignore manufacturer recommendations then you should have a very good and very carefully considered reason that is backed up by real data, which is no where in evidence here.
Hope that line of reasoning doesn't sound too angry... :-)
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Jim Redwing
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I say forget Amsoil. Amsoil spends too much time discrediting other company`s products. I`ve seen them bash Pennzoil,K&N and others.Rule #1 in marketing,always promote your product without bashing the products of your competitors.Amsoil has some great competition in the lubrication industry,and these other companies employ engineers and chemists of the same competency and expertise as Amsoil.
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Prospector
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The AMSOIL "Universal" fluid MEETS and or EXCEEDS ALL of the performance specs set forth by the BIG THREE automakers PLUS many imports.
It is labeled - GM; DexronII, DexronIII, Ford Mercon, Mercon V and Chrysler; ATF+ thru ATF+4
p.s.
Don't be suprised when other synthetic oil companies FOLLOW AMSOIL and introduce their own "UNIVERSAL" fluid.
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IndustryXpert
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Prospector,
You are CORRECT. I know for a FACT that Exxon/Mobil is working on one as we speak. Then what will all the Mobil Hero Worshipers have to say then.
To take a line from "sandman" (the second post on this thread):
"Big Blue on the board faxed me a copy of his trany fluid test results after 23,000 miles of running Amsoil in it. The results were excellent!"
Thank You.
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AmsoilSponsor
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Which Oil, Which Tranny Fluid, Which Dif Fluid?" ... all this discussion reminds me of CROSSFIRE on TV, and is often more heated than Dodge vs. Ford vs. Chevy, and as passionate as discussion on religion. Perhaps fluids are a religion. :-) (careful everyone, we don't have an "oil" moderator).
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To quote Big Blue QC, (Why ask me, Amsoil Dealer and Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com?, I'm biased, right?) better to ask a neutral end user of the product, so I'll quote Big Blue (He won't mind):
"I have had AMSOIL ATF in my truck since 4000 miles. About to turn 30000 and NO problems. I had the fluid tested at 23000 and as Sandman stated the reuslts were almost perfect. The current issue of AMSOIL Action News I just got in the mail has a whole article dedicated to transmissions and fluids. Try contacting AMSOIL and see if they will send you one, or maybe Steve Roark could."
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Well here I am and if anyone would like a copy of the Amsoil Action News that is dedicated to transmissions and fluids send me an email.
Thank You,
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubrication, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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P.S. I also know Shakespeare MountainDak and here goes:
"Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win, by fearing to attempt"
(Translation: Don't be afraid of someting that is tried and true ... Amsoil Universal ATF)
Measure for Measure, Act I, Scene 5
:-)
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ShakeySpeare
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No other "well read" Dak Owners on this site?
"Can Anyone Desire Too Much Of A Good Thing?"
- As You Like It, Act 4, Scene 1
Lively Debate Anyone? On Guard...and Good Luck!
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MountainDak
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Though this be madness, yet there is method in't.
-Hamlet Act 2, Scene 2
MountainDak (Yes, I am MAD, < not angry > but MAD)
Where is Alex or Harlow on this Thread? :-)
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johnc
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8/12/2002
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Guess I've resisted posting here long enough,
Switched to Amsoil 2000 gear lube in both differentials a week ago. Did 12 figure 8's to make the neighbors nervous.
I can actually feel the improvement. It may not be as pronounced in a 2wd truck but in 4X4 it's definately noticeable.
Shoulda done it sooner.
jc
'00',cc,4.7,4X4,auto,3.92sg,Flowmaster,Quickd Intake,F&B 70mm tb,tstat,BFG's,and a Bernd box, HO manifold OTW
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jdDak
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To Amsoil Or Not ...
There is -- NO QUESTION !!!
A-L-L Fluids Amsoil !!!
-- 2001 EC Dakota 4x4 (owned by jdDAK)
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Demon Dakota
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8/13/2002
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I knew there was a good reason for joining this site. You guys crack me up...
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Harold
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Redline is just as good,try it!
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JT
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Although Red Line Oil is touted as a top-notch synthetic oil, oil analysis results show that, at least in passenger vehicle applications, it may not be formulated properly. Red Line oils are for TRUE racing applications. Just be careful.
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Big Blue QC
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8/14/2002
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QCowner, I am curious where you found out the MOPAR ATF+4 is synthetic. Everybody I have asked, all who work for DC, says it is not, just alot more additives.
JT is correct about Redline, great product, but really meant for full out racing conditions. This is based upon the additives they use in their products. If you are using it with great results, more power to you. Good luck everyone.
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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Jethro
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To Amsoil or not...that is the Question,
still trying to decide for myself.
I only wish I was smart enuf to quote Shakspeare.
heh heh heh
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Don
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I have 96,000 miles on my 95. Change the trans about every 20,000 miles no problems.
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